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I'm really not getting why there's an issue in this thread. The video was about speaking out against rape, and getting men involved to be bold and speak up against language and attitudes that may perpetuate the concept as good thing. Anyone who is arguing in this thread is a nitpicking troll that i'm sure would feel differently if another man forced themselves on you. So rather than picking apart every little wording or idea of the video, which i didn't even find anything wrong in it, why not just support the overall cause of preventing this atrocity and get the message to be part of the solution instead of a bystander?
 
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As a man ,I feel less protected in the Philippines, because I live in a big city, yet our mayor is tough on crime; because in new york ,up state, Adirondack park, I was "home" and owned guns and our county had great sheriffs, who knew me. But i rented apts in my home so i had my life threatened a couple of times,and showed my gun one time and anyother time ,I warned the man, "if you brake down my door, you are dead." We must protect our selk and family. Love to all, Hoffco
 
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In the Philippines, Iam retired,from N.Y., remarried, and we run a mission /church here in my home in an urban poor village, one neighbor is an ungodly scumbucket, he has slapped me ,for working on our dirt road, the next day , as I was again, working, but with my 18" knife, and two family members, the man, and his brother came out with clubs " we will kill you" i drew my knife, my friends stood with me and they backed away, after 5minites of noice any my wife and friends gathered; I didn't not cower, and hide. they have beeb civil ever since. Hoffco
 
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In the Philippines, Iam retired,from N.Y., remarried, and we run a mission /church here in my home in an urban poor village, one neighbor is an ungodly scumbucket, he has slapped me ,for working on our dirt road, the next day , as I was again, working, but with my 18" knife, and two family members, the man, and his brother came out with clubs " we will kill you" i drew my knife, my friends stood with me and they backed away, after 5minites of noice any my wife and friends gathered; I didn't not cower, and hide. they have beeb civil ever since. Hoffco
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I'm sorry you had that experience. Everyone should have a right to feel safe and valued.
 
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Idid not come for a wife, but God gave me my 2nd wife, the 1st. week i was here. I recommend this place for any available older male, christian, as a good place to fine a good christian wife and joint us in ministry, Be willing to give your all to God and He will bless you. IK have sold all in the states and reinvested it ALL in God's work here. this is not for allmen. you need a SPECIAL call from God. Hoffco
 
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Ugly said:
I'm really not getting why there's an issue in this thread. The video was about speaking out against rape, and getting men involved to be bold and speak up against language and attitudes that may perpetuate the concept as good thing. Anyone who is arguing in this thread is a nitpicking troll that i'm sure would feel differently if another man forced themselves on you. So rather than picking apart every little wording or idea of the video, which i didn't even find anything wrong in it, why not just support the overall cause of preventing this atrocity and get the message to be part of the solution instead of a bystander?
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I really think this video falls short of actually changing anything. It does nothing to discuss the issues that drive men to become abusers, and does nothing to discuss ways to prevent anyone from becoming a victim. It's casual dismissal of alcohol dismissed one of the number one factors for rape.


Where are they telling people to go out with at least one other person accompanying them, where is the caution against stumbling home drunk at 1 in the morning, where is the advice to prevent these crimes?

There is none. There is just a man standing up apologetically for crimes he never committed. Sure, it's a start I guess, but it seems more like a feel-good way for men to think they're helping without ever actually getting them acquainted with the issues at hand. Seriously, a bunch of guys are going to put a few tweets up at that hash tag, and then nothing will change.
 
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hi Misty, thank you for your sympathy and it makes a big difference for me to hear it, it is abig moral boost for mr, as
I have had to "suffer" much for God's kingdom.. never the less, I don't let these insidences bother me, for long, I move on, yet. i am very tender to all in their bad times, because of the sorrow I have known. react . Hoffco
 
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I only made to page 2 but the ignorance and rudeness of some of the other male posters on this thread is appalling. The video isn't saying "all men are rapists' or simply 'Don't rape' . Its about treating women as people and trying to combat a rape culture. Which means oh your with your frineds watching football and the quarterback gets sacked and someone goes He just got raped...simply speak and tell them thats not cool. Or if you see aman catcall a woman on the street let him know objectifying women isnt appropriate. Its simple things like that instead of getting your boxers in a pinch about this. Sadly though with the conservative slant of theses forums I can easily see why you guys would rather not look at this video in positive but still herp derp not our fault it.
 
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Because, as i stated, the point of this video is to encourage men to speak up. Its not an instructional video for women on how to protect themselves. Again, the point of the video is to get men to speak up against a mindset. To complain its not an instructional video and therefore useless is false. Trying to get people to change their minds and attitudes is at the center of change. If most men stand by and say nothing, then no change happens. But if you can start motivating people to take a stand, that begins the possibility of change. And that is all this video is, and all its intended to be. And its only one video. Who knows if these same people don't have videos like what you're saying it 'should' be? Bottom line is there is something beneficial to this video and people are nit picking it apart.
The video is aimed at a specific group of people. How does one video, aimed at one group make it a failure? It doesn't.
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I really think this video falls short of actually changing anything. It does nothing to discuss the issues that drive men to become abusers, and does nothing to discuss ways to prevent anyone from becoming a victim. It's casual dismissal of alcohol dismissed one of the number one factors for rape.


Where are they telling people to go out with at least one other person accompanying them, where is the caution against stumbling home drunk at 1 in the morning, where is the advice to prevent these crimes?

There is none. There is just a man standing up apologetically for crimes he never committed. Sure, it's a start I guess, but it seems more like a feel-good way for men to think they're helping without ever actually getting them acquainted with the issues at hand. Seriously, a bunch of guys are going to put a few tweets up at that hash tag, and then nothing will change.
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The only thing that changes bad is strong punishmrnt. We need capital punishment for abusers who don't learn and kill. The church teaching on uncondtional love is distroying morals. God teaches conditional love, repent, trust and obey, if one wants to be saved, Salvation is conditional. hoffco
 
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Hoffco said:
The only thing that changes bad is strong punishmrnt. We need capital punishment for abusers who don't learn and kill. The church teaching on uncondtional love is distroying morals. God teaches conditional love, repent, trust and obey, if one wants to be saved, Salvation is conditional. hoffco
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Justice is an important consideration, but we want to change the culture to reduce the occurrences. We want people to keep their innocence by never becoming rapists, victims, or falsely-accused in the first place.
 
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Changing a mindset starts with things like this. It starts small and pushes forward. Look at the gay and lesbian movement. They have, through getting people to "stand up for freedom" changed a society to accept, support and even encourage homosexuality. I wonder what would happen if we used that kind of energy, passion, technique and power for GOOD to change a culture.
 
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Changing a mindset starts with things like this. It starts small and pushes forward. Look at the gay and lesbian movement. They have, through getting people to "stand up for freedom" changed a society to accept, support and even encourage homosexuality. I wonder what would happen if we used that kind of energy, passion, technique and power for GOOD to change a culture.
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Awesome analogy!
 
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One thing that helps reduce crime, here, is, the ploice, so it is said, shut and kill the offender, rather than the long, useless process of 'western ' justice ,taugh them be the usa and the u.n.. hoffco
 
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It is weard to me ,why anyone would be so bold as to be on a 'Christian" chat room and denounce the Bible and then , get away with it,! I don't mind you, ungodly persons on here, but , i will not let you get awaywith 'bad mouthing the Bible'. Please, get with the "program' or leave! if you have an honest question, we will try o give you an honest answer. Hoffco
 
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Because, as i stated, the point of this video is to encourage men to speak up. Its not an instructional video for women on how to protect themselves. Again, the point of the video is to get men to speak up against a mindset. To complain its not an instructional video and therefore useless is false. Trying to get people to change their minds and attitudes is at the center of change. If most men stand by and say nothing, then no change happens. But if you can start motivating people to take a stand, that begins the possibility of change. And that is all this video is, and all its intended to be. And its only one video. Who knows if these same people don't have videos like what you're saying it 'should' be? Bottom line is there is something beneficial to this video and people are nit picking it apart.
The video is aimed at a specific group of people. How does one video, aimed at one group make it a failure? It doesn't.
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It falls flat on it's face at 20 seconds. It takes some of the number one risk factors for rape and dismisses them, immediately saying that a mens' issue. Ever watch Life time? That's supposed to be a channel targeted at women, and do you know what, there's a awful lot of rape on Life time. Men aren't the only ones perpetuating the culture of violence.


I'm all for the cause of preventing rape and domestic violence, but don't dismiss the risk factors, you're putting women at risk at the same time you're trying to help.
 
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Misty77,

Nobody deserves to have happen to them what happened to you. Nor what happened to you when you did the right thing by reporting it. I'm so sorry that either one of those things happened to you.

Blessings,

"Doggy"

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When I went to report my rape, the buff-out cope just looked at me like, "I would never want you, so why are you complaining that a man actually wanted to sleep with you." I told them how I told him no twice and pushed him off twice before being too afraid to fight anymore. The cops didn't believe that it happened. Well, they believed that sexual activity happened, not that I was raped. Because I was able to talk him out of more "inconvenient" acts, they thought I was a willing participant. They thought I asked for it. Instead of filing a report, they threatened to charge me with filing a false report or defamation of character or other such nonsense.
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@Misty77, I would agree with you in this if a reminder were necessary, but saying that a "reminder" is harmless, to men who mostly don't need a reminder, is similar to the following example...

There are two groups of people. One group is always slamming their hand in the door, causing pain and damage (rapists). The other group never exhibits this behavior (non-rapists), and, observing the group that does, the second group vows to never exhibit that behavior. Now tell me, which group is it that needs this message? It may be "harmless", but it is addressing the wrong crowd. It's kind of like "reminding" the color red to stay red; it's harmless, but it is also unnecessary, and may be a waste of valuable time and energy.
 
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it's all too familiar

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fault lines written by tongues bitten by silence

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thoughts forms we weren't searching for violence in our questions or suggestions

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it's all

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too familiar

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what was she wearing on

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she walking alone she shouldn't have drank so much she shoulda

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been more careful she shouldn't she shoulda she

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me like it was her fault

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like gender violence isn't a man's issue like

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men can help themselves like the responsibility for one's own actions

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doesn't fall on one's own shoulders like men

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don't have the power to change how men act

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remembers a young team learning the facts one

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in three one in 3d

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made me sick how can men like me do this

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they couldn't I thought they

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they couldn't they must be monsters they must be monsters monsters

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in the masks love men monsters in the masks

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love men rearrange their faces until I can no longer see myself in them

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monsters remember going to a party

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East Vancouver in seeing a patch on my friends jacket and said stop

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rate the message so clear so in

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arguably simply yet it left a bad taste EXIT chart me for my place of comfort

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because it reminded me of the reality we all face

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in that initial reaction my initial reaction

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was me choosing silence therefore

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allowing for violence and that is a clear case and the culture

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avram and a member in the dressing room

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cheering along as a team a proclaimed that in victory we had great

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the other team or in the lunchroom when I'm

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my boss made a sex joke and I said nothing

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for yesterday I pulled on article of clothing in referred to it as a wife

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beater

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this culture violence touches us all

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bike dismissing perpetrators as monsters

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allows %ah sup to analyze our own actions

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man take your masks of

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men take responsibility

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men open their mouths wider show more than your teeth there was a softness

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in your throat waiting to be freed man

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we are responsible for the vast majority of violence

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men it's an epidemic men

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don't think that it has to be this way men

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if you could make the world safer for the women you lots for all women

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children and men wouldn't you men

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you can men we need you to be courageous

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to speak up to be more than a bystander

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men put your masks down men


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It falls flat on it's face at 20 seconds. It takes some of the number one risk factors for rape and dismisses them, immediately saying that a mens' issue. Ever watch Life time? That's supposed to be a channel targeted at women, and do you know what, there's a awful lot of rape on Life time. Men aren't the only ones perpetuating the culture of violence.


I'm all for the cause of preventing rape and domestic violence, but don't dismiss the risk factors, you're putting women at risk at the same time you're trying to help.
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It's not dismissive. Regardless what safeguards a woman ignored, she does not deserve to be raped. She did not rape herself. And I have already said that we are addressing those issues, we just don't do them in front of men because of responses like this. We have those conversations in the women's forum where we feel safe and are free to have open dialogue without having to worry about a man getting his britches in a bunch.
 
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