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Baptisn is not required at all. Remember the thief crucified with jesus. See luke 23:42-43 (New International Version)
42Then he said, "Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom. 43Jesus answered him, "I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise."
But if we love God then we should follow is commandments.
42Then he said, "Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom. 43Jesus answered him, "I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise."
But if we love God then we should follow is commandments.
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Luther had alot of beliefs that he translated into protestantism from Catholicism, like he believed that the bread and grape juice were the literal body and blood of Christ. Anyone can get baptized, but it's knowing what it means that's important. Alot of people get baptized because they believe it is saving them, e.g. Catholics. I wouldn't call baptism a church tradition, I'd call it as a command of Christ, and yes, it shouldn't be overlooked.
Im asuming your talking about water baptism. here is a verse for you. Jhn 3:5Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
I think its enteresting how it was good enough for God to be baptized and others as well and for john to prepare the way of the Lord. its and act of obediance. If being baptized was not an important part of our walk, than you have to ask your self, than why did Jesus do it? Why did John Baptize? Are salvation is in Christ yes, as the scripturs say, all who call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. So the moment you give your life to the Lord, you are born agian, born of the spirit of God. The water bapism i believe is a simple act of obediance on your part and is a blessing. I belive its an important in your walk, just like everything else jesus taught is important, so is water baptizm. Jesus was our teacher so we follow Him. And because He went to the Cross, He has given us the gift of the holy spirit, our teacher who leads us into all truth. God bless you brother.
Mar 1:7And he preached, saying, "There comes One after me who is mightier than I, whose sandal strap I am not worthy to stoop down and loose.
Mar 1:8I indeed baptized you with water, but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit."Mar 1:9It came to pass in those days [that] Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized by John in the Jordan
I think its enteresting how it was good enough for God to be baptized and others as well and for john to prepare the way of the Lord. its and act of obediance. If being baptized was not an important part of our walk, than you have to ask your self, than why did Jesus do it? Why did John Baptize? Are salvation is in Christ yes, as the scripturs say, all who call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. So the moment you give your life to the Lord, you are born agian, born of the spirit of God. The water bapism i believe is a simple act of obediance on your part and is a blessing. I belive its an important in your walk, just like everything else jesus taught is important, so is water baptizm. Jesus was our teacher so we follow Him. And because He went to the Cross, He has given us the gift of the holy spirit, our teacher who leads us into all truth. God bless you brother.
Mar 1:7And he preached, saying, "There comes One after me who is mightier than I, whose sandal strap I am not worthy to stoop down and loose.
Mar 1:8I indeed baptized you with water, but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit."Mar 1:9It came to pass in those days [that] Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized by John in the Jordan
When we say "baptism" we usually think of water but there is a baptism which is just as important this is baptism of the Holy Spirit. Water baptism may start the journey but baptism in the Spirit gives you the power to keep going and finish the journey and be profitable for God in ministry:
Mar 1:8 I indeed have baptized you in water, but He shall baptize you with the Holy Spirit.
Act 19:1 And it happened in the time Apollos was at Corinth, Paul was passing through the higher parts to Ephesus. And finding certain disciples,
Act 19:2 he said to them, Have you received the Holy Spirit since you believed? And they said to him, We did not so much as hear whether the Holy Spirit is.
Act 19:3 And he said to them, Then to what were you baptized? And they said, To John's baptism.
Act 19:4 And Paul said, John truly baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe into Him coming after him, that is, into Jesus Christ.
Act 19:5 And hearing, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Act 19:6 And as Paul laid his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke with tongues and prophesied.
Mar 1:8 I indeed have baptized you in water, but He shall baptize you with the Holy Spirit.
Act 19:1 And it happened in the time Apollos was at Corinth, Paul was passing through the higher parts to Ephesus. And finding certain disciples,
Act 19:2 he said to them, Have you received the Holy Spirit since you believed? And they said to him, We did not so much as hear whether the Holy Spirit is.
Act 19:3 And he said to them, Then to what were you baptized? And they said, To John's baptism.
Act 19:4 And Paul said, John truly baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe into Him coming after him, that is, into Jesus Christ.
Act 19:5 And hearing, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Act 19:6 And as Paul laid his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke with tongues and prophesied.
It is well known that the apostles and early church practiced baptism of children which is evident when you read early church writings. In the bible under the old covenant babies were circumcised at 8 years old without being given a choice of whether they wanted to be part of God's people or not. In a similar way christian parents can baptise their children with the intent that they grow up to be christian. Generally children who are baptised as infants and raised up in the church and christian home come to faith for themselves early in their life, well before they reach any so-called "age of understanding".
When we say Jesus is the Savior and died for all we believe He saved not only mature rational thinking adults but also infants and children who may not understand or believe for themselves. Do babies need to believe for themselves? In Matt 17:14-18 Jesus healed a man's child taking into account the father's faith, not the faith of the child. In the book of Acts the apostles practiced household baptism.
Noah took all his family into the ark. Noah's wife and children didn't have to make their own little arks. In the passover God passed over whole households. I think God sees the whole family unit and there is a special covering for the children of believing parents.
When we say Jesus is the Savior and died for all we believe He saved not only mature rational thinking adults but also infants and children who may not understand or believe for themselves. Do babies need to believe for themselves? In Matt 17:14-18 Jesus healed a man's child taking into account the father's faith, not the faith of the child. In the book of Acts the apostles practiced household baptism.
Noah took all his family into the ark. Noah's wife and children didn't have to make their own little arks. In the passover God passed over whole households. I think God sees the whole family unit and there is a special covering for the children of believing parents.
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Babies were circumcised at 8 days old, not 8 years old. Infant baptism is not scriptural. Baptism was always for believers, see Acts 8 with the Ethiopian Eunuch....36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? 37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
Acts 8:36-37 (KJV)
The Jews were born into the lineage of Abraham, so they couldn't choose their heritage. A person can choose to follow Christ. Jesus death was sufficient for every person, but every person has to personally believe on Christ if they reach that age. Faith for healing and saving faith are far different. The man couldn't believe on Christ for his child.Also, the Apostles practiced household baptism because the entire household believed on Christ.
Acts 8:36-37 (KJV)
The Jews were born into the lineage of Abraham, so they couldn't choose their heritage. A person can choose to follow Christ. Jesus death was sufficient for every person, but every person has to personally believe on Christ if they reach that age. Faith for healing and saving faith are far different. The man couldn't believe on Christ for his child.Also, the Apostles practiced household baptism because the entire household believed on Christ.
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NO, it's not necessary. I just got saved last year. I'm actually converting to the Baptist church. I was worried about this one, and I spoke to a Pastor about it. First, how do we know for sure? The criminal on the cross next to Jesus was saved, and he wasn't baptised. Second, I know from my personal experience, I genuinely WANT to be baptised! I can't really explain it, but it's basically confessing Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour publicly for all to see. It shows that your not embarrassed by Jesus and neither is he of you and I. It 's a celebration of faith and trust in Jesus!It's also letting your old self die (immersion), and letting your new born again self rise from the dead. Praise Jesus! Amen!
The Jews were born into the lineage of Abraham, so they couldn't choose their heritage. A person can choose to follow Christ. Jesus death was sufficient for every person, but every person has to personally believe on Christ if they reach that age. Faith for healing and saving faith are far different. The man couldn't believe on Christ for his child.Also, the Apostles practiced household baptism because the entire household believed on Christ.
Very well, but the "age of understanding" viewpoint is no better than believing a child can be baptised, because this too is a case of a child being saved without having expressed their faith in Christ first. In that case, if the age of understanding is correct, then a child being baptised before the age of understanding can do no harm as they are saved anyway. In the book of Acts some received the Holy Spirit before being water baptised. I think it's entirely possible for a child to receive the Spirit before the age of understanding as well. I can't see any rules about the order in which things must take place in the scriptures, and I don't think God is that ritualistic or hung up about how things are done as we are. I don't see any evidence that a person being water baptised as an infant and then living a life dedicated to Christ is worse off than a person who is water baptised as an adult and done "properly" and said all the right prayers etc, and yet turn away from Christ later in life. In any case there are no scriptures I'm aware of that support the idea of an "age of understanding", i.e. an age where a person is saved regardless of whether they believe in Christ or not. Afterall, I think the early church didn't believe in 'age of understanding' because most traditional church denominations practice infant baptism and so did the early church in keeping with the church traditions.
Very well, but the "age of understanding" viewpoint is no better than believing a child can be baptised, because this too is a case of a child being saved without having expressed their faith in Christ first. In that case, if the age of understanding is correct, then a child being baptised before the age of understanding can do no harm as they are saved anyway. In the book of Acts some received the Holy Spirit before being water baptised. I think it's entirely possible for a child to receive the Spirit before the age of understanding as well. I can't see any rules about the order in which things must take place in the scriptures, and I don't think God is that ritualistic or hung up about how things are done as we are. I don't see any evidence that a person being water baptised as an infant and then living a life dedicated to Christ is worse off than a person who is water baptised as an adult and done "properly" and said all the right prayers etc, and yet turn away from Christ later in life. In any case there are no scriptures I'm aware of that support the idea of an "age of understanding", i.e. an age where a person is saved regardless of whether they believe in Christ or not. Afterall, I think the early church didn't believe in 'age of understanding' because most traditional church denominations practice infant baptism and so did the early church in keeping with the church traditions.
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If they can discern between right and wrong, they are accountable. A kid can be 4 and know that. The "age of understanding" to me only covers those in innocence, who can't judge between right and wrong, and some kids know right and wrong at a very early age. And as I said, there is no proof to prove the claim of infant baptism, interpreting scripture with scripture (which we're supposed to do) disproves it. It's pulling a doctrine from a misunderstanding of a verse. Infant baptism is one of the most evil doctrines there is, I know ALOT of people who think that by being baptized as an infant they are saved and on their way to heaven. That is heresy. Show me an example on the book of Acts that clearly shows someone being baptized into the church before salvation, and do not use the whole family of the Philippian Jailers, because that's not what it's saying.
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