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Jack...
You wound me. I attend church (when I am able) on Sunday, and don't observe the Jewish Sabbath (for lack of a better term).
You would call me an apostate? A hypocrite?
This makes me very sad.
I love you,
ellie
You wound me. I attend church (when I am able) on Sunday, and don't observe the Jewish Sabbath (for lack of a better term).
You would call me an apostate? A hypocrite?
This makes me very sad.
I love you,
ellie
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
sigh...
If you will look at my post, I am addressing any who believe the Seventh Day appointed by God Himself having been changed by flesh to the first day, appointed by man.
The Sabbath is made for man, a gift to rest and be with the Lord, man is not made for the Sabbath. Man being lord of the Sabbath is in direct relation to the rest of the scripture about plucking heads of wheat in order to eat something on the Sabbath. It in no part mentions being lord of the Sabbath as having authority to change what God has appointed. One may do anything good on the Sabbath of the Lord.
As for what day anyone calls their Sabbath, that is between each person and the Lord. I have learned if man says anything contrary to what I believe the Lord has said on a given subject, I will believe the Lord.
Again about Paul's teaching that what a person does with a good conscience in the sight of the Lord is not a sin means a person may honor the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit any day, but it does not mean that man has changed what the Father has made and declared.
If you are hurt, it is because you wish to misunderstand me when I oppose anyone changing God's Word. Worshipping God is personal, just as is each's manner in living to please Him. I do not fault anyone who worships on any given day of the week, but no one may say with any honesty that God has changed the order of the days to suit the whims of flesh.
If this were true, then one may just as well believe the thousand years was the first thousand years of this age, and once the seventh thousand years begin everything will be over, and I do not believe that is the order God gave to His plans for us.
QUOTE=psychomom;1367210]Jack...
You wound me. I attend church (when I am able) on Sunday, and don't observe the Jewish Sabbath (for lack of a better term).
You would call me an apostate? A hypocrite?
This makes me very sad.
I love you,
ellie[/QUOTE]
The Sabbath is made for man, a gift to rest and be with the Lord, man is not made for the Sabbath. Man being lord of the Sabbath is in direct relation to the rest of the scripture about plucking heads of wheat in order to eat something on the Sabbath. It in no part mentions being lord of the Sabbath as having authority to change what God has appointed. One may do anything good on the Sabbath of the Lord.
As for what day anyone calls their Sabbath, that is between each person and the Lord. I have learned if man says anything contrary to what I believe the Lord has said on a given subject, I will believe the Lord.
Again about Paul's teaching that what a person does with a good conscience in the sight of the Lord is not a sin means a person may honor the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit any day, but it does not mean that man has changed what the Father has made and declared.
If you are hurt, it is because you wish to misunderstand me when I oppose anyone changing God's Word. Worshipping God is personal, just as is each's manner in living to please Him. I do not fault anyone who worships on any given day of the week, but no one may say with any honesty that God has changed the order of the days to suit the whims of flesh.
If this were true, then one may just as well believe the thousand years was the first thousand years of this age, and once the seventh thousand years begin everything will be over, and I do not believe that is the order God gave to His plans for us.
QUOTE=psychomom;1367210]Jack...
You wound me. I attend church (when I am able) on Sunday, and don't observe the Jewish Sabbath (for lack of a better term).
You would call me an apostate? A hypocrite?
This makes me very sad.
I love you,
ellie[/QUOTE]
Jack...
You wound me. I attend church (when I am able) on Sunday, and don't observe the Jewish Sabbath (for lack of a better term).
You wound me. I attend church (when I am able) on Sunday, and don't observe the Jewish Sabbath (for lack of a better term).
Lev 23:1 And the LORD spoke to Moses, saying,
Lev 23:2 "Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: 'The feasts of the LORD, which you shall proclaim to be holy convocations, these are My feasts.
Lev 23:3 'Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work on it; it is the Sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.
B
If you will look at my post, I am addressing any who believe the Seventh Day appointed by God Himself having been changed by flesh to the first day, appointed by man.
The Sabbath is made for man, a gift to rest and be with the Lord, man is not made for the Sabbath. Man being lord of the Sabbath is in direct relation to the rest of the scripture about plucking heads of wheat in order to eat something on the Sabbath. It in no part mentions being lord of the Sabbath as having authority to change what God has appointed. One may do anything good on the Sabbath of the Lord.
As for what day anyone calls their Sabbath, that is between each person and the Lord. I have learned if man says anything contrary to what I believe the Lord has said on a given subject, I will believe the Lord.
Again about Paul's teaching that what a person does with a good conscience in the sight of the Lord is not a sin means a person may honor the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit any day, but it does not mean that man has changed what the Father has made and declared.
If you are hurt, it is because you wish to misunderstand me when I oppose anyone changing God's Word. Worshipping God is personal, just as is each's manner in living to please Him. I do not fault anyone who worships on any given day of the week, but no one may say with any honesty that God has changed the order of the days to suit the whims of flesh.
If this were true, then one may just as well believe the thousand years was the first thousand years of this age, and once the seventh thousand years begin everything will be over, and I do not believe that is the order God gave to His plans for us.
QUOTE=psychomom;1367210]Jack...
You wound me. I attend church (when I am able) on Sunday, and don't observe the Jewish Sabbath (for lack of a better term).
You would call me an apostate? A hypocrite?
This makes me very sad.
I love you,
ellie
The Sabbath is made for man, a gift to rest and be with the Lord, man is not made for the Sabbath. Man being lord of the Sabbath is in direct relation to the rest of the scripture about plucking heads of wheat in order to eat something on the Sabbath. It in no part mentions being lord of the Sabbath as having authority to change what God has appointed. One may do anything good on the Sabbath of the Lord.
As for what day anyone calls their Sabbath, that is between each person and the Lord. I have learned if man says anything contrary to what I believe the Lord has said on a given subject, I will believe the Lord.
Again about Paul's teaching that what a person does with a good conscience in the sight of the Lord is not a sin means a person may honor the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit any day, but it does not mean that man has changed what the Father has made and declared.
If you are hurt, it is because you wish to misunderstand me when I oppose anyone changing God's Word. Worshipping God is personal, just as is each's manner in living to please Him. I do not fault anyone who worships on any given day of the week, but no one may say with any honesty that God has changed the order of the days to suit the whims of flesh.
If this were true, then one may just as well believe the thousand years was the first thousand years of this age, and once the seventh thousand years begin everything will be over, and I do not believe that is the order God gave to His plans for us.
QUOTE=psychomom;1367210]Jack...
You wound me. I attend church (when I am able) on Sunday, and don't observe the Jewish Sabbath (for lack of a better term).
You would call me an apostate? A hypocrite?
This makes me very sad.
I love you,
ellie
The Lord Jesus Christ did not tell you from any of the epistles in the NT, nor from the book of Hebrews or Revelation to keep or remember the Sabbath. It does not exist in any of the instructions or commandments to any of the NT churches and this includes Friday/Saturday or Sunday. There were many Jews in those churches as well as Gentiles and never one time were any of them commanded or urged to remember or keep the Sabbath. So I don't care what you say God told you, the NT church is not commanded and does not teach it in any way, shape or form and this is why you have a problem with Paul and you do have a problem with what he taught as an Israelite, from the tribe of Benjamin, from the seed of Abraham, who was of the elite of the Pharisees, who persecuted Christians and had them killed, who God redeemed and raised up as an apostle by pure mercy and grace, not only to the Gentiles but also to the Jews.
If you want to remember the Sabbath and worship God on that day you consider to be the Sabbath, go right ahead, but don't you teach that the NT scriptures instructs any member of the church, God's redeemed both of the Jew and the Gentile, to do likewise, because it does not. You will not find even one reference relating to keeping or remembering the Sabbath in any epistle nor from the lips of any of the original apostles. That is a dilemma for you JaumeJ and you are not right on this. Grace gives you the freedom to keep and remember the Sabbath if that is what you desire but it is not a commandment for the NT church and it has been that way for over 2,000 years. Put that in your 10 commandment pipe and toke on that for awhile.
From your friendly troll,
BradC
Those of the New Covenant in whom the Holy Spirit dwells don't need to be told how to love,
anymore than they need to be told how to breathe.
For love is in their hearts, and it will act itself out in practice.
That is why love fulfills the law (Mt 22:40; Ro 13:10; Gal 5:6). For
if I love God, I will not worship idols nor take his name in vain;
if I love my parents, I will not dishonor them;
if I love my neighbors, I will not steal from them, nor murder them,
nor commit acultery with their spouses, nor lust after their possessions.
That is why love fulfills the whole law (Mt 22:40; Ro 13:10; Gal 5:6).
Stop complicating what Christ has made simple in his New Covenant.
How many times must the New Covenant be explained to you?
anymore than they need to be told how to breathe.
For love is in their hearts, and it will act itself out in practice.
That is why love fulfills the law (Mt 22:40; Ro 13:10; Gal 5:6). For
if I love God, I will not worship idols nor take his name in vain;
if I love my parents, I will not dishonor them;
if I love my neighbors, I will not steal from them, nor murder them,
nor commit acultery with their spouses, nor lust after their possessions.
That is why love fulfills the whole law (Mt 22:40; Ro 13:10; Gal 5:6).
Stop complicating what Christ has made simple in his New Covenant.
How many times must the New Covenant be explained to you?
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The Lord Jesus Christ did not tell you from any of the epistles in the NT, nor from the book of Hebrews or Revelation to keep or remember the Sabbath. It does not exist in any of the instructions or commandments to any of the NT churches and this includes Friday/Saturday or Sunday. There were many Jews in those churches as well as Gentiles and never one time were any of them commanded or urged to remember or keep the Sabbath. So I don't care what you say God told you, the NT church is not commanded and does not teach it in any way, shape or form and this is why you have a problem with Paul and you do have a problem with what he taught as an Israelite, from the tribe of Benjamin, from the seed of Abraham, who was of the elite of the Pharisees, who persecuted Christians and had them killed, who God redeemed and raised up as an apostle by pure mercy and grace, not only to the Gentiles but also to the Jews.
If you want to remember the Sabbath and worship God on that day you consider to be the Sabbath, go right ahead, but don't you teach that the NT scriptures instructs any member of the church, God's redeemed both of the Jew and the Gentile, to do likewise, because it does not. You will not find even one reference relating to keeping or remembering the Sabbath in any epistle nor from the lips of any of the original apostles. That is a dilemma for you JaumeJ and you are not right on this. Grace gives you the freedom to keep and remember the Sabbath if that is what you desire but it is not a commandment for the NT church and it has been that way for over 2,000 years. Put that in your 10 commandment pipe and toke on that for awhile.
From your friendly troll,
BradC[/QUOTE]
[h=3]Romans 14:5-10[/h]King James Version (KJV)
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
sigh.... this isn't directed at you by the way brad
If you want to remember the Sabbath and worship God on that day you consider to be the Sabbath, go right ahead, but don't you teach that the NT scriptures instructs any member of the church, God's redeemed both of the Jew and the Gentile, to do likewise, because it does not. You will not find even one reference relating to keeping or remembering the Sabbath in any epistle nor from the lips of any of the original apostles. That is a dilemma for you JaumeJ and you are not right on this. Grace gives you the freedom to keep and remember the Sabbath if that is what you desire but it is not a commandment for the NT church and it has been that way for over 2,000 years. Put that in your 10 commandment pipe and toke on that for awhile.
From your friendly troll,
BradC[/QUOTE]
[h=3]Romans 14:5-10[/h]King James Version (KJV)
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
sigh.... this isn't directed at you by the way brad
Not only are they the greatest, on these two hang all the Law and the Prophets.
So precisely what does Christ mean when he says, "On these two hang all the Law and the Prophets."? (Mt 22:40)
What does Paul mean when he states, "Love fulfills the whole law."? (Ro 13:10)
'Round and 'round the same bush. . .over and over again.
So precisely what does Christ mean when he says, "On these two hang all the Law and the Prophets."? (Mt 22:40)
What does Paul mean when he states, "Love fulfills the whole law."? (Ro 13:10)
'Round and 'round the same bush. . .over and over again.
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The apostles wrote the NT in Greek.
Everything else is either a translation of the Greek, or a mistranslation of the Greek.
Stop setting the Scriptures against themselves, the OT against the NT, and the NT against itself,
and interpret them in the light of the revelation spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2)
through the NT apostolic writers, in the Greek.
Everything else is either a translation of the Greek, or a mistranslation of the Greek.
Stop setting the Scriptures against themselves, the OT against the NT, and the NT against itself,
and interpret them in the light of the revelation spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2)
through the NT apostolic writers, in the Greek.
M
If you love God, you are going to do your best to obey Him. If you really care about someone you will not do anything to harm or disappoint them, such as kill them, steal their property or their spouse, you want them to be happy so you want them to have their belongings instead of wishing you had them, etc.
No one said what the Lord Jesus did not say, the post is about what He told Moses and those of the faith of Abraham. Reread if you wish.
Did the Lord Jesus say the Seventh Day has been changed to the first day? Never. Nor did He ever change that Sabbath of the Lord, being the one He designated after six days of creation.
As far as changing the teachngs (torah) He did not; He completed them.
No where in the Word does it permit mankind to change the order of creation, nor could he. Also, if you are going to post my post as a reference, would you kindly read it first? It would be a service to all concerned.
The Lord Jesus Christ did not tell you from any of the epistles in the NT, nor from the book of Hebrews or Revelation to keep or remember the Sabbath. It does not exist in any of the instructions or commandments to any of the NT churches and this includes Friday/Saturday or Sunday. There were many Jews in those churches as well as Gentiles and never one time were any of them commanded or urged to remember or keep the Sabbath. So I don't care what you say God told you, the NT church is not commanded and does not teach it in any way, shape or form and this is why you have a problem with Paul and you do have a problem with what he taught as an Israelite, from the tribe of Benjamin, from the seed of Abraham, who was of the elite of the Pharisees, who persecuted Christians and had them killed, who God redeemed and raised up as an apostle by pure mercy and grace, not only to the Gentiles but also to the Jews.
If you want to remember the Sabbath and worship God on that day you consider to be the Sabbath, go right ahead, but don't you teach that the NT scriptures instructs any member of the church, God's redeemed both of the Jew and the Gentile, to do likewise, because it does not. You will not find even one reference relating to keeping or remembering the Sabbath in any epistle nor from the lips of any of the original apostles. That is a dilemma for you JaumeJ and you are not right on this. Grace gives you the freedom to keep and remember the Sabbath if that is what you desire but it is not a commandment for the NT church and it has been that way for over 2,000 years. Put that in your 10 commandment pipe and toke on that for awhile.
From your friendly troll,
BradC[/QUOTE]
Did the Lord Jesus say the Seventh Day has been changed to the first day? Never. Nor did He ever change that Sabbath of the Lord, being the one He designated after six days of creation.
As far as changing the teachngs (torah) He did not; He completed them.
No where in the Word does it permit mankind to change the order of creation, nor could he. Also, if you are going to post my post as a reference, would you kindly read it first? It would be a service to all concerned.
The Lord Jesus Christ did not tell you from any of the epistles in the NT, nor from the book of Hebrews or Revelation to keep or remember the Sabbath. It does not exist in any of the instructions or commandments to any of the NT churches and this includes Friday/Saturday or Sunday. There were many Jews in those churches as well as Gentiles and never one time were any of them commanded or urged to remember or keep the Sabbath. So I don't care what you say God told you, the NT church is not commanded and does not teach it in any way, shape or form and this is why you have a problem with Paul and you do have a problem with what he taught as an Israelite, from the tribe of Benjamin, from the seed of Abraham, who was of the elite of the Pharisees, who persecuted Christians and had them killed, who God redeemed and raised up as an apostle by pure mercy and grace, not only to the Gentiles but also to the Jews.
If you want to remember the Sabbath and worship God on that day you consider to be the Sabbath, go right ahead, but don't you teach that the NT scriptures instructs any member of the church, God's redeemed both of the Jew and the Gentile, to do likewise, because it does not. You will not find even one reference relating to keeping or remembering the Sabbath in any epistle nor from the lips of any of the original apostles. That is a dilemma for you JaumeJ and you are not right on this. Grace gives you the freedom to keep and remember the Sabbath if that is what you desire but it is not a commandment for the NT church and it has been that way for over 2,000 years. Put that in your 10 commandment pipe and toke on that for awhile.
From your friendly troll,
BradC[/QUOTE]