Josh, please use your inside voice, stop shouting. We understand where you are coming from You have received the Holy Spirit, you have met Christ and it is a wonderful, exciting experience. It is protection, joy, everything. People do understand. But when you tell others it is enough, they don't need to read law any more, they can completely depend on themselves to always, in everything they are and do to reflect only God from the point you tell about, you don't hear us when we say Josh, people need to take that next step and listen to scripture also. That is not detracting from the wonders you tell about, it is using the wonders you know and maturing. I realize this is not as exciting as what you have found, yours is the jump up and down joy. It is good. But there is good in the sitting quietly in a chair and absorbing scripture, even the instructions to us of the law in scripture, and growing. That is also good.
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Jesus only kept the law that applied to him. There is much in the Torah that Jesus could not keep, because he was not a farmer, an earthly priest, a woman, a slave, etc. We are to imitate Jesus. So therefore, we have a heart that desires to obey all the law that applies to us the best we can, but always being grace dependent, because we fail from time to time.
In the last days
in the end
after armageddon
there will be a remnant left
Rom 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him?
I have reserved to myself seven thousand men,
who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also
there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
grace keeps you faithful to the truth
thy word is truth
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
this was written 60 years after Jesus went to heaven.
in the end
after armageddon
there will be a remnant left
Rom 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him?
I have reserved to myself seven thousand men,
who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also
there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
grace keeps you faithful to the truth
thy word is truth
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
this was written 60 years after Jesus went to heaven.
B
The NT believer eats his flesh and drinks his blood to have life and when we break bread and take of the cup we do so discerning the Lord's body in remembrance of Him. That is neither a Jewish or a Gentile thing but a NT believer thing for both the Jew and the Gentile who are one in Christ, members one of another of His body, flesh and bones. Can't get anymore intimate then that with our Lord Jesus Christ.
Oh is your post a jumble of words befeft of any true message or understanding. We break bread, the Body of Jesus, and we drink His Blood which is the Blood of the covenant. He is the Lamb of God, the same as the Lamb of the original Passover when God spared those marked by the blood on the lintels and doorposts of their homes. He is once and for all for all who believe Him. Those who believe Him are saved by the Passover Lamb of God's Blood. As John the Baptizer said, "Behold the Lamb of God Who takes away the sin of the world." I love Him for everything He has always done for me and for all, and because I love Him, I read what He teaches and try to do all as best I am able. I will not have anyone who demonstrates a lack of care and knowledge of the truth of Yeshua attempting to shove a lot of apostasy down my throat. Jesus Christ's supper with the Apostles was a Passover Seder. It is an Israeli feast that is to continue always. We celebrate this every time we break bread. You, my friend, do not sound as though you are sharing anything with knowledge and definitely not love. The seder is a tradition from the Children of Israel, Jesus was a Jew, and He is the King of the Jews. This makes all of His subjects Jews, if not natural, grafted in. Do not lord over the natural branches, for if you were once grafted in, you may just as easily be removed and burned in the fire.
As for your little lesson for me, thank you, but I have known all of this for many, many decades. If you really do love me and the Lord, then I apologive now if I seem stearn in my posting, but your post sounds as though you believe all other believers to be abject fools.
As for your little lesson for me, thank you, but I have known all of this for many, many decades. If you really do love me and the Lord, then I apologive now if I seem stearn in my posting, but your post sounds as though you believe all other believers to be abject fools.
is God's grace not sufficient?
[h=3]Galatians 2:20[/h]King James Version (KJV)
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
weeee don't need to do anything. at ALL
[h=3]Luke 9:23[/h]King James Version (KJV)
23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
[h=3]Galatians 2:20[/h]King James Version (KJV)
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
weeee don't need to do anything. at ALL
[h=3]Luke 9:23[/h]King James Version (KJV)
23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
Another reminder, I have told all to do this, worship on the day their conscience allows. Now what kind of remark is this below, "in your ten commandment pipe etc.?" I did not mention the commandment or the commandments. As I have told you before, on deaf or dead ears, my alarm is when people who say they are educated in the Word by the Holy Spirit or by study think the order of the week is changeable after God has told us what that order is and blessed us with it. Now, if you need real amunition, yes, becaue Jesus Christ died for the sins of all who accept His sacrifice, I am so glad I do try my best to follow His example, for He is our example, and I obey the Ten Commandments because He did. I am not perfect, but He has begun a work in me, and He has promised to finish that work on His Day. Now you may criticize me for wanting to obey the Words of Yeshua, Jesus.
The Lord Jesus Christ did not tell you from any of the epistles in the NT, nor from the book of Hebrews or Revelation to keep or remember the Sabbath. It does not exist in any of the instructions or commandments to any of the NT churches and this includes Friday/Saturday or Sunday. There were many Jews in those churches as well as Gentiles and never one time were any of them commanded or urged to remember or keep the Sabbath. So I don't care what you say God told you, the NT church is not commanded and does not teach it in any way, shape or form and this is why you have a problem with Paul and you do have a problem with what he taught as an Israelite, from the tribe of Benjamin, from the seed of Abraham, who was of the elite of the Pharisees, who persecuted Christians and had them killed, who God redeemed and raised up as an apostle by pure mercy and grace, not only to the Gentiles but also to the Jews.
If you want to remember the Sabbath and worship God on that day you consider to be the Sabbath, go right ahead, but don't you teach that the NT scriptures instructs any member of the church, God's redeemed both of the Jew and the Gentile, to do likewise, because it does not. You will not find even one reference relating to keeping or remembering the Sabbath in any epistle nor from the lips of any of the original apostles. That is a dilemma for you JaumeJ and you are not right on this. Grace gives you the freedom to keep and remember the Sabbath if that is what you desire but it is not a commandment for the NT church and it has been that way for over 2,000 years. Put that in your 10 commandment pipe and toke on that for awhile.
From your friendly troll,
BradC[/QUOTE]
The Lord Jesus Christ did not tell you from any of the epistles in the NT, nor from the book of Hebrews or Revelation to keep or remember the Sabbath. It does not exist in any of the instructions or commandments to any of the NT churches and this includes Friday/Saturday or Sunday. There were many Jews in those churches as well as Gentiles and never one time were any of them commanded or urged to remember or keep the Sabbath. So I don't care what you say God told you, the NT church is not commanded and does not teach it in any way, shape or form and this is why you have a problem with Paul and you do have a problem with what he taught as an Israelite, from the tribe of Benjamin, from the seed of Abraham, who was of the elite of the Pharisees, who persecuted Christians and had them killed, who God redeemed and raised up as an apostle by pure mercy and grace, not only to the Gentiles but also to the Jews.
If you want to remember the Sabbath and worship God on that day you consider to be the Sabbath, go right ahead, but don't you teach that the NT scriptures instructs any member of the church, God's redeemed both of the Jew and the Gentile, to do likewise, because it does not. You will not find even one reference relating to keeping or remembering the Sabbath in any epistle nor from the lips of any of the original apostles. That is a dilemma for you JaumeJ and you are not right on this. Grace gives you the freedom to keep and remember the Sabbath if that is what you desire but it is not a commandment for the NT church and it has been that way for over 2,000 years. Put that in your 10 commandment pipe and toke on that for awhile.
From your friendly troll,
BradC[/QUOTE]
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I hear this a lot, but no one ever shows me why Christ was lying when He said...
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Mat 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Mat 19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Deny himself? We don't have to do anything at all? Just live however you wish? And you don't see a dichotomy here?
B
I was speaking of John 6:47-61 when many of the disciples were offended at the saying of Christ in verses 53-56.
47 I assure you, most solemnly I tell you, he who believes in Me [who adheres to, trusts in, relies on, and has faith in Me] has (now possesses) eternal life.48 I am the Bread of Life [that gives life—the Living Bread].
49 Your forefathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and [yet] they died.
50 [But] this is the Bread that comes down from heaven, so that [any]one may eat of it and never die.
51 I [Myself] am this Living Bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this Bread, he will live forever; and also the Bread that I shall give for the life of the world is My flesh (body).
52 Then the Jews angrily contended with one another, saying, How is He able to give us His flesh to eat?
53 And Jesus said to them, I assure you, most solemnly I tell you, you cannot have any life in you unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood [unless you appropriate His life and the saving merit of His blood].
54 He who feeds on My flesh and drinks My blood has (possesses now) eternal life, and I will raise him up [from the dead] on the last day.
55 For My flesh is true and genuine food, and My blood is true and genuine drink.
56 He who feeds on My flesh and drinks My blood dwells continually in Me, and I [in like manner dwell continually] in him.
57 Just as the living Father sent Me and I live by (through, because of) the Father, even so whoever continues to feed on Me [whoever takes Me for his food and is nourished by Me] shall [in his turn] live through and because of Me.
58 This is the Bread that came down from heaven. It is not like the manna which our forefathers ate, and yet died; he who takes this Bread for his food shall live forever.
59 He said these things in a synagogue while He was teaching at Capernaum.
60 When His disciples heard this, many of them said, This is a hard and difficult andstrange saying (an offensive and unbearable message). Who can stand to hear it? [Who can be expected to listen to such teaching?]
61 But Jesus, knowing within Himself that His disciples were complaining andprotesting and grumbling about it, said to them: Is this a stumbling block and an offense to you? [Does this upset and displease and shock and scandalize you?]
Why would such a simple thing as a Passover Seder offend so many and even to the inclusion of His own disciples? JaumeJ are you sure you understand what it means to EAT HIS FLESH AND DRINK HIS BLOOD as a NT believer in Christ or are you so oriented toward the Jewish Passover Seder that you have missed out on the flesh of Christ as being the body of Christ for we are members one of another and of his body, flesh and bones. We are partakers of one another's supply that we have been given of the Spirit as members of Christ body and we are to drink the blood of communion that we have been given for one another through the Spirit. This is all NT and for NT believers and this is how we are built up as a habitation of God through the Spirit. We eat of the bread that came down from heaven continually and not of the manna. We drink of the eternal blood of the Lamb continually that gives us eternal life. We have no other communion with Christ and it is to be done with one another because it is Spirit and it is eternal life.
verse 56 He who feeds on My flesh and drinks My blood dwells continually in Me, and I [in like manner dwell continually] in him.
47 I assure you, most solemnly I tell you, he who believes in Me [who adheres to, trusts in, relies on, and has faith in Me] has (now possesses) eternal life.48 I am the Bread of Life [that gives life—the Living Bread].
49 Your forefathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and [yet] they died.
50 [But] this is the Bread that comes down from heaven, so that [any]one may eat of it and never die.
51 I [Myself] am this Living Bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this Bread, he will live forever; and also the Bread that I shall give for the life of the world is My flesh (body).
52 Then the Jews angrily contended with one another, saying, How is He able to give us His flesh to eat?
53 And Jesus said to them, I assure you, most solemnly I tell you, you cannot have any life in you unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood [unless you appropriate His life and the saving merit of His blood].
54 He who feeds on My flesh and drinks My blood has (possesses now) eternal life, and I will raise him up [from the dead] on the last day.
55 For My flesh is true and genuine food, and My blood is true and genuine drink.
56 He who feeds on My flesh and drinks My blood dwells continually in Me, and I [in like manner dwell continually] in him.
57 Just as the living Father sent Me and I live by (through, because of) the Father, even so whoever continues to feed on Me [whoever takes Me for his food and is nourished by Me] shall [in his turn] live through and because of Me.
58 This is the Bread that came down from heaven. It is not like the manna which our forefathers ate, and yet died; he who takes this Bread for his food shall live forever.
59 He said these things in a synagogue while He was teaching at Capernaum.
60 When His disciples heard this, many of them said, This is a hard and difficult andstrange saying (an offensive and unbearable message). Who can stand to hear it? [Who can be expected to listen to such teaching?]
61 But Jesus, knowing within Himself that His disciples were complaining andprotesting and grumbling about it, said to them: Is this a stumbling block and an offense to you? [Does this upset and displease and shock and scandalize you?]
Why would such a simple thing as a Passover Seder offend so many and even to the inclusion of His own disciples? JaumeJ are you sure you understand what it means to EAT HIS FLESH AND DRINK HIS BLOOD as a NT believer in Christ or are you so oriented toward the Jewish Passover Seder that you have missed out on the flesh of Christ as being the body of Christ for we are members one of another and of his body, flesh and bones. We are partakers of one another's supply that we have been given of the Spirit as members of Christ body and we are to drink the blood of communion that we have been given for one another through the Spirit. This is all NT and for NT believers and this is how we are built up as a habitation of God through the Spirit. We eat of the bread that came down from heaven continually and not of the manna. We drink of the eternal blood of the Lamb continually that gives us eternal life. We have no other communion with Christ and it is to be done with one another because it is Spirit and it is eternal life.
verse 56 He who feeds on My flesh and drinks My blood dwells continually in Me, and I [in like manner dwell continually] in him.
Are you aware that communion with our Savior is not just a piece of unleavened bread and wine? We are to live on the Bread from heaven, eating every Word that proceeds from His Mouth. We are to share His life and live as best possible as He for the life is in the Blood.
This is taught by the Holy Spirit through reading and understanding from all of the Word, not just a passage, although what you post is just as wonderful.
So we have our daily Bread and we live the life of Jesus as best we are able, thus we commune with Him at all times. The bread and wine ceremony is in obedience, so is living the communion with Christ.
He is the Bread from Heaven born in Bethlehem, which coincidentally translated fully is House of Bread.
This is taught by the Holy Spirit through reading and understanding from all of the Word, not just a passage, although what you post is just as wonderful.
So we have our daily Bread and we live the life of Jesus as best we are able, thus we commune with Him at all times. The bread and wine ceremony is in obedience, so is living the communion with Christ.
He is the Bread from Heaven born in Bethlehem, which coincidentally translated fully is House of Bread.
D
Yes I agree with you. However, the order of the Seder glorifies Christ and speaks to His sacrifice. We can look back upon the OT and see that it is a witness of Christ. My former church puts on a Seder` that explains how it glorifies Christ. It never presents the Seder as being current law that we must obey. Sadly, the new pastor that took over the church has run it into the ground.
Even Passover speaks of what Christ will do for us. Tha OT regulations have no hold on the Christian but we can still study it and identify how it is a witness for Christ.
Even Passover speaks of what Christ will do for us. Tha OT regulations have no hold on the Christian but we can still study it and identify how it is a witness for Christ.
And yet we read...
Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
I'll take inspired scripture over opinion any time.
Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
I'll take inspired scripture over opinion any time.
B
If you can, give me a practical example of what it means to drink his blood in relationship to another believer. In other words, how is it possible for the love of God to cover a multitude of sins? How does the blood of Christ apply to that situation when your brother has failed or entered onto some form of sin in his life? Many demand repentance from the guilty party but how can repentance take place when the guilty brother does not understand what the blood has done to his sin. If Christ's shed blood was for the remission of sin then how do we cover and recover our brother through the blood of the Lamb! The blood was applied to the lintel and door post at the entrance of the dwelling place and the death angel passed over. How is the blood applied to the door of our brother's heart so that he may be safe?
you sound like a foolish man john...not saying you are, saying you sound
[h=3]Romans 6:1-6[/h]King James Version (KJV)
6 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
if you don't feel this way.. maybe you should ask yourself why not? why don't you feel.. dead to sin through the spirit of christ, i mean the bible did say we are no longer servants of sin once we receive christ, so ask yourself why you don't feel that way, not saying it to be rude
[h=3]Romans 6:1-6[/h]King James Version (KJV)
6 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
if you don't feel this way.. maybe you should ask yourself why not? why don't you feel.. dead to sin through the spirit of christ, i mean the bible did say we are no longer servants of sin once we receive christ, so ask yourself why you don't feel that way, not saying it to be rude