Attack of the Judaizers

[john832]

Please take care of your unfinished business before bringing other business to the table.

There are previously asked on the table which you have not yet answered, here, here and here.

As I stated before, I have answered ad nauseum. You just didn't get the answer you were looking for...

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/82418-attack-judaizers-78.html#post1370323
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/82418-attack-judaizers-79.html#post1370368
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/82418-attack-judaizers-80.html#post1370418
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/82418-attack-judaizers-80.html#post1370477
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/82418-attack-judaizers-88.html#post1371920

Or perhaps you had no answer for it.

 

[Elin]

Please take care of your unfinished business before bringing other business to the table.

There are previously asked on the table which you have not yet answered, here, here and here.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/82418-attack-judaizers-78.html#post1370323 - addressed in post #1588
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/82418-attack-judaizers-79.html#post1370368 - addressed in post #1599
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/82418-attack-judaizers-80.html#post1370418 - was there a question, addressed in post #1648
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/82418-attack-judaizers-80.html#post1370477 - addressed in post #1677
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/82418-attack-judaizers-88.html#post1371920 - addressed in post #1677

Or perhaps you had no answer for it.

Or perhaps you don't pay attention.

 

[john832]

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/82418-attack-judaizers-78.html#post1370323 - addressed in post #1588
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/82418-attack-judaizers-79.html#post1370368 - addressed in post #1599
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/82418-attack-judaizers-80.html#post1370418 - was there a question, addressed in post #1648
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/82418-attack-judaizers-80.html#post1370477 - addressed in post #1677
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/82418-attack-judaizers-88.html#post1371920 - addressed in post #1677


Or perhaps you don't pay attention.

Another dodge.

 

[Elin]

Please take care of your unfinished business before bringing other business to the table.

There are previously asked on the table which you have not yet answered, here, here and here.

Answered ad nauseum.

Or perhaps you had no answer for them.

Or perhaps you don't pay attention.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/82418-attack-judaizers-78.html#post1370323 - addressed in post #1588
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/82418-attack-judaizers-79.html#post1370368 - addressed in post #1599
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/82418-attack-judaizers-80.html#post1370418 - was there a question, addressed in post #1648
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/82418-attack-judaizers-80.html#post1370477 - addressed in post #1677
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/82418-attack-judaizers-88.html#post1371920 - addressed in post #1677

Another dodge.

Assertions without demonstration are without merit.

Your unfinished business above is still on the table.

 

[john832]

Assertions without demonstration are without merit.

Your unfinished business above is still on the table.

Help me out here, in other words you are saying that scripture is not adequate? Well, that doesn't surprise me.

 

[danschance]

Significance? Of course I see the significance.

I was saved by the Power of God given as His Gift.

Not because of my goodness, obedience, wisdom, or good choices.

I didn't cause God to act. God acts because of His Goodness.

I called on Him not for His Great Salvation but for pain relief. I just wanted the pain to go away. If I would have known in advance what I was asking for would have resulted in Complete Salvation I wouldn't have been able to ask for it. I wouldn't have felt deserving of it. I would have felt like I would have had to do something to earn it.

Most people think that same way. That they have to do something to earn His Approval and Love. The secret is He already loves us before we start trying to earn it.

It sounds like you and I were saved similarly. "Pain"also drove me to repent. I hated Christians but in 2 months time I was one.

 

[john832]

I didn't hate Christians, just didn't want to be one. I finally surrendered after a fight.

 

[danschance]

Help me out here, in other words you are saying that scripture is not adequate? Well, that doesn't surprise me.

John I don't know Elin, yet I know your assertion that she thinks "scripture is not adequate" is simply not true.

 

[danschance]

I didn't hate Christians, just didn't want to be one. I finally surrendered after a fight.

John, I was involved in things I should not of been and it or more specifically, the demons in me changed my mind to hate Christian.

My sister always had her church friends over at holidays. I would bristle around them. One of those Christians was a man I especially hated the most though he never said a word to me. Later he would be my pastor. My hatred was irrational and based in the demonic.

 

[ServantStrike]

Every translation reads as such, as all Greek texts read this way:

New International Version Mt 23:2-3
"The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach."

King James Bible Mt 23:2-3
"Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not."

However Yahweh has left us truth!

Shem Tob's Hebrew Mattithyah
Mattithyah 23:2-3, "The Pharisees and Sages sit upon the seat of Mosheh. Therefore, all that he (Mosheh) says to you, diligently do, but according to thier takanot (reforms) and thier ma'asim (precedents) do not do, because they talk (Torah) but they do not do."



Takanot: reforms or enactments that (falsely) "change or add" to Yahweh's Law.

Ma'asim: acts or deeds that serve as precedents for rabbinic law.

Both Takanot and Ma'asim are laws of the Talmud.

THIS IS THE BURDEN!

I missed this.

Are you arguing we should follow the Talmud?

 

[Elin]

Please take care of your unfinished business before bringing other business to the table.

There are previously asked on the table which you have not yet answered, here, here and here.

Answered ad nauseum.

Perhaps you had no answer for them.

Perhaps you don't pay attention.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/82418-attack-judaizers-78.html#post1370323 - addressed in post #1588
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/82418-attack-judaizers-79.html#post1370368 - addressed in post #1599
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/82418-attack-judaizers-80.html#post1370418 - was there a question, addressed in post #1648
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/82418-attack-judaizers-80.html#post1370477 - addressed in post #1677
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/82418-attack-judaizers-88.html#post1371920 - addressed in post #1677

Another dodge.

Assertions without demonstration are without merit.

Your unfinished business above is still on the table.

Help me out here, in other words you are saying that scripture is not adequate?

Okay, I can do that.

I am saying precisely all my words which I have posted here.

 

[Elin]

So if I hang 10 pictures on two walls, the pictures are done away with by the walls? You keep mindlessly repeating a mantra that
makes no sense. Teh Two Great Commandments do not do away with the Ten Commandments, they support all the Law and teh Prophets.

Your Judaizing of Jesus' words is incoherent.

The two do not support the ten, the two are the ten.

Such futile attempts to unseat the plain words of Jesus in Mt 22:40.

Why the need, other than unbelief, to futz with Jesus' words?

Another dodge.

So, the statement that ALL the Law hangs on these two Commandments means they slipped and fell off? Or all of them supported by the Two Great Commandments?
If I hang a picture on a wall, the picture is gone? Or is the wall supporting it?

That's a fail.

Commandments (ten) hanging on commandments (two)

is analogous to pictures hanging on pictures,

not to pictures hanging on walls.

Your Judaizing of Jesus' words (Mt 22:40) is what makes no sense.

 

[Hoffco]

Elin ,you have the right "picture"+ But start with GOD, #1 now, hang on God^^ 2 commands, now, on the 2 hang ^^^^^^^^^^10, now, on the 10 ,hang all the commands^^^^^^^^^^^++++ and the prophets,^^^^^^++++ now hang JESUS on all the pictures of all the laws and all the prophets,^JESUS, NOW see which commands does Jesus takes away?_____--------__-----ok, gone, NOW the ones left,^^^^^^^^^^+^^^^^^ The ones left by Jesus, are the ones we must obey to be a Christian. "Oh, how love I thy law" Hoffco

 

[Hoffco]

Please remember."believe on the Lord Jesus Christ is a command.!! Repent is a command" put off the old man and put on the new man ,is a command of Jesus walk in the light" is a command sanctify the Lord in your heart,is a command,, do all to the glory of God, is a command. HOW mand more do I need to spell out for you hard head people?? LOL, SMILE, God loves you and so do I!! Hoffco

 

[Josh321]

it's so sad man but i guess it's God's purpose...constantly rejecting the holy spirit.. that's all the new covenant is nothing else, a complete surrender to christ anything else in between that is you trying to be self righteous, which you are right now and it's all in vain, dead works, " The gentiles which have not the law but made a law unto themselves " everyone one of us gentiles without christ is born under the law of Sin, not under the law of the commandments was always for the Jews never for us it was there to convict us in our conscience when we would sin do something bad we would feel a terrible feeling within us " we did something wrong " that's all it's meant for, now i don't know any of your stories really but truly truly... if you did receive God's grace and his holy spirit you should be ashamed of yourself, why would you then after experiencing the fullness of God not the shadow the fullness, God himself coming into you and supernaturally changing your entire life before your eyes but yet you run back to dead works, which is done away with the old covenant, and as for the people who haven't receive the holy spirit and don't know better.. let him that have an ear hear, do not be deceive by any creed or denomination for God doesn't save us in groups he saves us individually, let no man deceive you at all, the things of God cannot be understand in the flesh, you may not understand what i'm saying but if something does recognise that it makes sense to you within your heart please seek to find the answers and God did say seek and you shall find his words, listen closely everysingle thing in the old testament was a shadow, wasn't the real reality it was pointing to something greater that will come and fulfill it, i can get really deep in this topic for you if your willing to listen or learn with an open mind just message me but i have to make this brief because i have work tomorrow, but the bible proves it so vivdly, the lamb being a shadow to Jesus christ's sacrifice, now a shadow is something that points to something else, the 10 commandments being a shadow to the holy spirit, the sanctuary being a shadow to the temple of God ( our vessel the body ) it goes on and on but please if any of you feel within your heart that something isn't right please message me, this is the end time we need to be on the right path, i met 2 amazing people recently i love them very greatly, they are young people just like me, they grew up within an adventist family so they had no choice but to follow what their parents followed, but they were adventist for 25 years from birth, preach the law as long as they were alive when to sabbath did everything they thought was right when they never were, but they came to christ this way... they realize how difficult life was no matter how hard they try they could not keep the laws they kept getting convicted continuously by their conscience until the condemnation within got so great that they cried out to God and he revealed himself to them, they've never been the same since they experience salvation and the grace of God and what the holy spirit does and we are now trying to help save as many people as we can from this trap and after 25 years of being in adventism they came right back to the church preaching the grace of God and telling people to get born again and receive the new nature of christ praise God

 

[Josh321]

[h=3]John 14:6[/h]King James Version (KJV)

6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


No thanks, i prefer the stone tablets



[h=3]John 3:5[/h]King James Version (KJV)

5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

No thanks, stones and tablets.

i hope you are getting offended... because it is what you are doing,

what's even more mind blowing is this right here


[h=3]Deuteronomy 4:13[/h]King James Version (KJV)

13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.


plainly it address the old covenant as the ten commandments it's right there



[h=3]2 Corinthians 3:14[/h]King James Version (KJV)

14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.







is it so bad that you have no conscience to see what you are doing?

 

[vic1980]

Isaiah 25

7 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations.


8 He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.

9And it shall be said in that day, Lo, this is our God; we have waited for him, and he will save us: this is the LORD; we have waited for him, we will be glad and rejoice in his salvation.

Interesting...

 

[john832]

Assertions without demonstration are without merit.

Your unfinished business above is still on the table.

John I don't know Elin, yet I know your assertion that she thinks "scripture is not adequate" is simply not true.

Check out the first reference I posted. She called it an assertion without merit. The scriptures used were the context of Mat 22:37-40. If scripture is not adequate, what is?

 

[john832]

Elin ,you have the right "picture"+ But start with GOD, #1 now, hang on God^^ 2 commands, now, on the 2 hang ^^^^^^^^^^10, now, on the 10 ,hang all the commands^^^^^^^^^^^++++ and the prophets,^^^^^^++++ now hang JESUS on all the pictures of all the laws and all the prophets,^JESUS, NOW see which commands does Jesus takes away?_____--------__-----ok, gone, NOW the ones left,^^^^^^^^^^+^^^^^^ The ones left by Jesus, are the ones we must obey to be a Christian. "Oh, how love I thy law" Hoffco

Just out of curiosity, which laws did Jesus take away?

 

[just-me]

Just out of curiosity, which laws did Jesus take away?

For a person to not be under the law doesn't mean to "Get over it." That's self works to the max. Just like the Pharisees.