Attack of the Judaizers

[Hizikyah]

Galatians is talking about salvation by works which is what the Jews taught. They added many laws not in the commandments of God, laws which made void the law of God.

To be a Jew inwardly is to keep the law of God because we love Him.

So the issue should not be over the law of God, but why we keep the law of God.

Yeremyah 31:33, "After those days, says Yahweh: I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; minds, and I will be their Father, and they will be My people."

8451. torah - torah: direction, instruction, law Original Word: תּוֹרָה Part of Speech: Noun Feminine Transliteration: torah
Phonetic Spelling: (to-raw') Short Definition: law

Revelation 14:12, "In this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, in conformity with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."

 

[Laodicea]

Yeremyah 31:33, "After those days, says Yahweh: I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; minds, and I will be their Father, and they will be My people."

8451. torah - torah: direction, instruction, law Original Word: תּוֹרָה Part of Speech: Noun Feminine Transliteration: torah
Phonetic Spelling: (to-raw') Short Definition: law

Revelation 14:12, "In this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, in conformity with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."

It is also interesting to note the law of God given in the OT was given on the day of Pentecost.

 

[Hizikyah]

Those who walk in the flesh hate Yahweh Law and can not subject themselves to it:

Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), Yahweh; for it his not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please Yahweh."

For those who walk in the Spirit the opposition to Yahweh and His law is abolished, and they have Yahweh's Law written in their heart aka they love it.

Yeremyah 31:33, "After those days, says Yahweh: I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; minds, and I will be their Father, and they will be My people."

8451. torah - torah: direction, instruction, law Original Word: תּוֹרָה Part of Speech: Noun Feminine Transliteration: torah
Phonetic Spelling: (to-raw') Short Definition: law

I want to point out that the words that are in italics are ADDED:

Ephesians 2:15-16, (NKJV), "having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. "

Not only odes the next verse tell us what was abolished, but when you remove the ADDED words the meaning changes.

Ephesians 2:15-16, "Abolishing the enmity to the Law, the Commandments, and the Ordinances, through His own flesh, in order to create in Himself one new man from the two; making peace, That would reconcile both in one body to Yahweh through the sacrifice--having killed the enmity through Himself."

enmity is:
Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)

Feminine of G2190; hostility; by implication a reason for opposition:—enmity, hatred.

The oppisition to yahweh;s instructions was abolished, not the Law it's self.

Yeremyah 31:33, "After those days, says Yahweh: I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; minds, and I will be their Father, and they will be My people."

It is impossible to have HIS LAW written on your heart if you are in oppisition (enmity) to it, so the ENMITY was abolished.

Again:

"I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts"

 

[danschance]

Romans 2:28-29 KJV
(28) For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
(29) But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.


According to this we should be a Jew inwardly.

Paul is addressing Jews. He is not suggesting Gentiles becomes Jews. Once again you have have misapplied scripture. Why else would Paul state in the same epistle:

But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. Romans 7:6

 

[Elin]

Galatians is talking about salvation by works which is what the Jews taught.

No, Galatians 2:14 is talking about Judaizing, as Peter did.

He ate with the Gentiles, but when the circumcision group came from Jerusalem, he withdrew from the Gentiles and went back to "living like a Jew" because he was afraid of the men from Jerusalem.

They added many laws not in the commandments of God, laws which made void the law of God.

To be a Jew inwardly is to keep the law of God because we love Him.

In Ro 2:29, to be a Jew "inwardly" is the regenerating power of the Holy Spirit within,
in contrast to a mark on the body outwardly.

So the issue should not be over the law of God, but why we keep the law of God.

In Ro 2:29, the issue is rebirth; i.e., a Jew inwardly is anyone born again by the Holy Spirit (Jn 3:5).

 

[lookuptoseeJesus]

That is the truth.

 

[Grandpa]

Galatians is talking about salvation by works which is what the Jews taught. They added many laws not in the commandments of God, laws which made void the law of God.

To be a Jew inwardly is to keep the law of God because we love Him.

So the issue should not be over the law of God, but why we keep the law of God.

You do greatly err...

Galatians 2:19-21
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.


If Christianity were about keeping the law then why would we be dead to it? Because Christianity is not about keeping the law. Christianity is about faith in Christ.

Judaism is about keeping the law. If you say you are a Christian but keep pointing Christians to the law instead of Christ then you are a judaizer. You are attempting to blend Judaism and Christianity. You are mixing the hot with the cold and attempting to call it hot.

This was an issue ever since Christianity began. Its been settled over 2000 yrs ago. You are either on the side of the gospel of Christ or you are on the wrong side.

 

[danschance]

All of the Jews in Shaul's day kept pharisee law, Shaul himself did before Messiah called him.

Mark 7:7-9, "But in vain do they worship Me, teaching as doctrine the commandments of men. For laying aside the Law of Yahweh, you hold the tradition of men! Then He said to them: How well you reject the Law of Yahweh, so that you may keep your own tradition!"

I was just reading this verse over lunch. This a clear castigation of the Pharisees for insisting that Jews Obey them instead of God! Jesus continued this castigation to the crowd of Jews by stating:

“You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe[SUP]c[/SUP] your own traditions! 10For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and mother,’[SUP]d[/SUP] and, ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.’[SUP]e[/SUP] 11But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is Corban (that is, devoted to God)— 12then you no longer let them do anything for their father or mother. 13Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.”
14Again Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen to me, everyone, and understand this. 15Nothing outside a person can defile them by going into them. Rather, it is what comes out of a person that defiles them.”

Jesus' Disciples later were confused by what Jesus had said:

“Don’t you see that nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them? 19For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)
20He went on: “What comes out of a person is what defiles them. 21For it is from within, out of a person’s heart, that evil thoughts come—sexual immorality, theft, murder, 22adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. 23All these evils come from inside and defile a person.”

 

[BradC]

Those who walk in the flesh hate Yahweh Law and can not subject themselves to it:

Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), Yahweh; for it his not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please Yahweh."

For those who walk in the Spirit the opposition to Yahweh and His law is abolished, and they have Yahweh's Law written in their heart aka they love it.

Yeremyah 31:33, "After those days, says Yahweh: I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; minds, and I will be their Father, and they will be My people."

8451. torah - torah: direction, instruction, law Original Word: תּוֹרָה Part of Speech: Noun Feminine Transliteration: torah
Phonetic Spelling: (to-raw') Short Definition: law

I want to point out that the words that are in italics are ADDED:

Ephesians 2:15-16, (NKJV), "having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. "

Not only odes the next verse tell us what was abolished, but when you remove the ADDED words the meaning changes.

Ephesians 2:15-16, "Abolishing the enmity to the Law, the Commandments, and the Ordinances, through His own flesh, in order to create in Himself one new man from the two; making peace, That would reconcile both in one body to Yahweh through the sacrifice--having killed the enmity through Himself."

enmity is:
Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)

Feminine of G2190; hostility; by implication a reason for opposition:—enmity, hatred.

The oppisition to yahweh;s instructions was abolished, not the Law it's self.

Yeremyah 31:33, "After those days, says Yahweh: I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; minds, and I will be their Father, and they will be My people."

It is impossible to have HIS LAW written on your heart if you are in oppisition (enmity) to it, so the ENMITY was abolished.

Again:

"I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts"

Show us how the law contributes to you and I in keeping ourselves unspotted from the world (James 1:27) and how it keeps us from fulfilling the works of the flesh that are explained in (Gal 5:18-26 [19-21])...

18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

Anytime a believer strives to do anything for God according to any of the commandments in the energy of their own flesh, it is the flesh and not the Spirit and it counts for nothing and they frustrate the grace of God. Jesus said that without me you can do nothing and that includes keeping the commandments. We do not do our best to be Christ-like, we become crucified and let death work in us so that the life we live in our flesh we live by the faith of the Son of God. For the believer to keep the commandments outside the death of the cross and being crucified with Christ, is just as much living in the flesh as anything else we do in the flesh. The wealthy young ruler obeyed the commandments from his youth up, but it did not save him or qualify him for eternal life because he did them in the energy of the flesh. Paul kept the righteousness of the law and was blameless but that did not save him or qualify him for the righteousness of God.

 

[ServantStrike]

the title of this thread is very offensive
it is hateful
it is hitler
it is the persecution of true Bible believers


it needs to be removed.

95 pages in and you're the first to say that.

Throwing around the term anti-semite doesn't drive a point home, it makes you look like the intolerant one. You're using racially charged labels to try and make a point, but you're not even making a point.

Take a deep breath, and work on your punctuation.

 

[WomanLovesTX]

I think a good question concerning Galatians is what is the difference between legalism and obedience? Legalism is using the law as a means to salvation. Obedience is the means of keeping the law to show God that we truly love Him and obedience to the law sets us apart from the rest of this present world. Without the Spirit, law is meaningless.

 

[Historicist]

Paul is addressing Jews. He is not suggesting Gentiles becomes Jews. Once again you have have misapplied scripture. Why else would Paul state in the same epistle:

danschance, how, as you imply, can one be in the spirit of the law while defying the letter of it. Jesus taught that we should obey the Law of the Lord, in the letter, and in the spirit. I'm still waiting for you to explain how, if the moral law was abrogated, why John would remind us that "...sin is the transgression of the law" (1 John 3:4). Why will you not reconcile your antinomian position with John's reminder? Why? Please, we are all waiting for an answer.

 

[Historicist]

95 pages in and you're the first to say that.

Throwing around the term anti-semite doesn't drive a point home, it makes you look like the intolerant one. You're using racially charged labels to try and make a point, but you're not even making a point.

Take a deep breath, and work on your punctuation.

ServantStrike, "anti-Semite," a term not in scripture, is a smear word, one those defending "the synagogue of Satan" (Rev. 2:9; 3:9) resort to when unable to refute a sound Biblical argument.

 

[Historicist]

You do greatly err...

Galatians 2:19-21
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.


If Christianity were about keeping the law then why would we be dead to it? Because Christianity is not about keeping the law. Christianity is about faith in Christ.

Judaism is about keeping the law. If you say you are a Christian but keep pointing Christians to the law instead of Christ then you are a judaizer. You are attempting to blend Judaism and Christianity. You are mixing the hot with the cold and attempting to call it hot.

This was an issue ever since Christianity began. Its been settled over 2000 yrs ago. You are either on the side of the gospel of Christ or you are on the wrong side.

GrandPa, if your interpretation is correct, why did John remind us that "...sin is the transgression of the law" (1 John 3:4)? Why did John, describing the new birth, say "...love God and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous" (1 John 5:2-3)? You are repeating "law" in Galatians out of context. "Law," in Galatians emphasizes, not the moral law (the Law of the Lord) but the Old Covenant ceremonial law of blood ordinances, circumcision, etc. Paul, in other words was not contradicting John, nor John, Paul. Please consider that the antinomian position you take is a contradiction of the Word of God, one which was not taught until recent generations. One does not get this teaching from scripture, it comes from dispensationalist-futurist teaching establishment.

 

[ServantStrike]

ServantStrike, "anti-Semite," a term not in scripture, is a smear word, one those defending "the synagogue of Satan" (Rev. 2:9; 3:9) resort to when unable to refute a sound Biblical argument.

Be careful how far to the other end of the spectrum you go with that sentiment.

Despite having rejected Christ, Revelation shows that there will be a remnant of Israel who will come to accept Him as her savior. God doesn't break His promises.

Remember, Christians are grafted into the vine, we are not a new vine. However, the outlook is very bleak for those who have willfully rejected Christ. Far better to have been a Christian than to be a member of the remnant during the end of days.

Not every Jewish person is a Pharisee, but they all do need to see that the messiah has come - but again, not all of them are a member of the synagogue of Satan Christ referred to (most, in fact, are not). I don't even pretend to be God and judge, other than I know Christ said that He was the only way to eternal life. It certainly shuts down our ability to witness to those of the Jewish faith though if we go around telling them they are children of Satan. Balance. It's key.

 

[phil112]

You do greatly err.................. This was an issue ever since Christianity began. Its been settled over 2000 yrs ago. You are either on the side of the gospel of Christ or you are on the wrong side.

Amen! There will be no fence straddlers in heaven.

 

[Elin]

I think a good question
concerning Galatians is what is the difference between legalism and obedience? Legalism is using the law as a means to salvation. Obedience is the means of keeping the law to show God that we truly love Him and obedience to the law sets us apart from the rest of this present world. Without the Spirit, law is meaningless.

Where is "legalism" mentioned in Gal?

 

[Elin]

danschance, how, as you imply, can one be in the spirit of the law while defying the letter of it. Jesus taught that we should obey the Law of the Lord, in the letter, and in the spirit. I'm still waiting for you to explain how, if the moral law was abrogated, why John would remind us that "...sin is the transgression of the law" (1 John 3:4). Why will you not reconcile your antinomian position with John's reminder? Why? Please, we are all waiting for an answer.

That would be the law of Christ in Mt 22:37-40; Ro 13:8-10; Gal 5:6.

 

[Elin]

GrandPa, if your interpretation is correct, why did John remind us that "...sin is the transgression of the law" (1 John 3:4)? Why did John, describing the new birth, say "...love God and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous" (1 John 5:2-3)? You are repeating "law" in Galatians out of context. "Law," in Galatians emphasizes, not the moral law (the Law of the Lord) but the Old Covenant ceremonial law of blood ordinances, circumcision, etc. Paul, in other words was not contradicting John, nor John, Paul. Please consider that the antinomian position you take is a contradiction of the Word of God, one which was not taught until recent generations. One does not get this teaching from scripture, it comes from dispensationalist-futurist teaching establishment.

See response to post immediately previous.

 

[Elin]

Be careful how far to the other end of the spectrum you go with that sentiment.

Despite having rejected Christ,
Revelation shows that there will be a remnant of Israel who will come to accept Him as her savior. God doesn't break His promises.

You don't have to go to Revelation for that.

Paul says it is happening now (Ro 11:5, 25).