Being raped better than letting women have gun to shoot rapist with?:India and rape

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raf

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I think everyone has the right to bear arms, but some of the people on here, and a lot of conservatives in general scare me because they might miss use a firearm.
 

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slave of all. [SUP]45 [/SUP]For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”

 

raf

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Everyone keeps trying to criticize the indian lady but whats the point in making a thread about india and woman violence if you dont even want to listen to her opinion?
 

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Oh and about my posting about this

You're making correlations without it being verified.
Have you read Freakonomics? It makes a correlation between the drop in crime rates and abortion.
According to the authors, with the advent of abortion, crime rates, reduced. Does that mean we support abortion? Can you see that thinking?


I think we should ask Mr. AgeofKnowledge who has two master's degrees and has taken courses in statistics and critical thinking to do a regression analysis of the stats put up by the authors (which is open online) and to verify their claims if true.

He would be doing the Christian community a great favour. I know he offered Praus this opportunity to ask him questions, but I am sure for the rest of us also, it would be very kind of him.




I have taken quite a few classes in logic, critical thinking, research and statistics, etc... already. In fact, I have a bachelor's of science and two master's degrees each with an A average. ?
If you don't understand something Praus, simply ask.

 
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I think we should ask Mr. AgeofKnowledge who has two master's degrees and has taken courses in statistics and critical thinking to do a regression analysis of the stats put up by the authors (which is open online) and to verify their claims if true.

He would be doing the Christian community a great favour. I know he offered Praus this opportunity to ask him questions, but I am sure for the rest of us also, it would be very kind of him.
Also I would like to know if someone has commited false reporting once, what is the probability (expected value) that they are serial false reporters?


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I think everyone has the right to bear arms, but some of the people on here, and a lot of conservatives in general scare me because they might miss use a firearm.
Guns aren't just a conservative thing. So the "misuse" of a gun is not restricted to specific political parties. I'd be more concerned about ones mental stability then their political affiliation when it comes to guns.
 
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I am sorry ServantStrike.

The kingdom of God is for now.
Luke 17:20-21
Being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, he answered them, “The kingdom of God is not coming in ways that can be observed, 21 nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or ‘There!’ for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.”
Also I should say, as an Indian sister who has a lot of regard for you, I find it very hurtful how you disregard the culture and nuances of my country.
As an Indian I am not allowed to speak about my own country's traditions, which is at the heart of this thread? Ahimsa and satyagraha are deeply rooted in the history of India.
Ahimsa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Satyagraha - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia





I didn't disregard anything you said or your culture. I have a lot of respect for you as well. Not once did I say you can't have your own opinion or that your opinion needed to be my opinion. I haven't threatened you or called you names, and in fact I came to your defense when several other concealed carry activists were jumping all over you.

You've made it clear you wouldn't want to take a human life because that person could still be saved later. That's fine, and I respect your decision (as well as agree with it), all I said was out of respect for those with differing opinions, it would probably be best if you didn't argue for disarmament at a political level. You're free to not own a gun if that's what you so choose.

Here, at least in the US, I've found that a lot of those who are vocal about no guns have decided to make that choice for everyone else as well as for themselves. All I urged was that you do not make that choice for others, but rather allow them to make it themselves. I am not saying that is what you're doing, I'm just urging you that if that is the case, that you re think it.


For what it's worth, I understand where you are coming from with the value on human life. I wouldn't want to harm someone who is unsaved (and a criminal would have to be or they wouldn't be a criminal), and I wouldn't want to harm someone who is saved either. I don't place very much value on my own safety, but quite a bit on the lives of those around me. I have no way of speaking for those people and whether or not they are saved. The assailant's rights to safety end when they could take the life of another unsaved person who is not breaking the law.
 

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I didn't disregard anything you said or your culture. I have a lot of respect for you as well. Not once did I say you can't have your own opinion or that your opinion needed to be my opinion. I haven't threatened you or called you names, and in fact I came to your defense when several other concealed carry activists were jumping all over you.

You've made it clear you wouldn't want to take a human life because that person could still be saved later. That's fine, and I respect your decision (as well as agree with it), all I said was out of respect for those with differing opinions, it would probably be best if you didn't argue for disarmament at a political level. You're free to not own a gun if that's what you so choose.

Here, at least in the US, I've found that a lot of those who are vocal about no guns have decided to make that choice for everyone else as well as for themselves. All I urged was that you do not make that choice for others, but rather allow them to make it themselves. I am not saying that is what you're doing, I'm just urging you that if that is the case, that you re think it.


For what it's worth, I understand where you are coming from with the value on human life. I wouldn't want to harm someone who is unsaved (and a criminal would have to be or they wouldn't be a criminal), and I wouldn't want to harm someone who is saved either. I don't place very much value on my own safety, but quite a bit on the lives of those around me. I have no way of speaking for those people and whether or not they are saved. The assailant's rights to safety end when they could take the life of another unsaved person who is not breaking the law.
Thank you ServantStrike.
I am very aware of how sensible and respectful your posts have been .

If you must know, I spent a lot of time, seeking wisdom to reply to your posts, not just this one, but the previous one as well.

My respect and admiration for you only increases. Thank you for considering what I have said and answering them graciously. Forgive me if I inadvertently misread you and caused you any offense.

I have always stated that those are my personal beliefs and views and I don't condemn anyone else for not sharing them.

God bless you.

Warm Regards


PS- However as a citizen of India, I would support policies that concur with my views.
 
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You're trying to make Hitler and Stalin the poster boys for gun control.
Hitler?

That so totally doesn't qualify as fanning any flames...


[video=youtube;s2IaFaJrmno]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2IaFaJrmno[/video]


 
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Hitler?

That so totally doesn't qualify as fanning any flames...




I didn't use the reference out of context. It's a matter of historical fact.
 

raf

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Guns aren't just a conservative thing. So the "misuse" of a gun is not restricted to specific political parties. I'd be more concerned about ones mental stability then their political affiliation when it comes to guns.
You dont seem to understand majority of the people who are excited to get in a situation with their side arm is usually a right-wing conservative. *from my own personal experience*. Also never said guns are not just a conservative thing im not a conservative and I own about 8 firearms.
 

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Hitler?

That so totally doesn't qualify as fanning any flames...


[video=youtube;s2IaFaJrmno]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2IaFaJrmno[/video]


I think I heard this song off the movie Beer Fest. lol
 
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You dont seem to understand majority of the people who are excited to get in a situation with their side arm is usually a right-wing conservative. *from my own personal experience*. Also never said guns are not just a conservative thing im not a conservative and I own about 8 firearms.
Well, as a fellow conservative and I were talking about gun control in the US, he said these words of wisdom to me: "it's our fault." I asked him what he meant and he said it was simple. The conservatives successfully voted out the Democrats in the South who supported guns, turning it into a party issue, since a lot of them in the North didn't have the outdoorsman background and were touting the control bandwagon.

Now, gun control is one of the issues a lot of democrats latch onto, just like abortion and gay marriage.



But that's not really here nor there. I know of no one who has a licence to carry who are actually excited to get into a fire fight. Most of the people I know who carry are (as you said) staunch conservatives, but have absolutely no desire to shoot any one. I've met one or two who are a bit chemically imbalanced who might want to prove something, but even then, they know it's deadly serious business pulling a gun. I think if you look at the figures from Texas, you might see the numbers of staunch CCW permit holders who actually use their guns is very low.
 

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that's why i like texas,,in a lot of other states it's illegal to have one sort of gun,one kind of clip,some places you cant even have one in your possession,,,but in Texas i can sleep with a shotgun,hide one behind the icebox,put a pistol in my glove-box,tape one under the coffee table,,,,and the only one thats "illegal",,,is(THE ONE THE RAPIST COMING IN THE FRONT DOOR IS CARRING),,,,,
 
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If you kill someone unlawfully with a gun, you are going to stand trial for murder, the same as if you'd killed them unlawfully with a knife or a brick. It isn't as if giving someone a right to carry a gun is going to excuse them from behaving responsibly, without consequences.

I'd be interested to see statistics on how many wrongful deaths or shootings have been committed by licensed gun owners.
 

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If you kill someone unlawfully with a gun, you are going to stand trial for murder, the same as if you'd killed them unlawfully with a knife or a brick. It isn't as if giving someone a right to carry a gun is going to excuse them from behaving responsibly, without consequences.

I'd be interested to see statistics on how many wrongful deaths or shootings have been committed by licensed gun owners.
I'm curious if we take 50 people who are against firearms and stand them up at the front door of all our schools and put one or two who believe in protecting the people behind them with guns how which of the two groups will,fair,,,which have the best results,,,at the next,,,
 
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I'm curious if we take 50 people who are against firearms and stand them up at the front door of all our schools and put one or two who believe in protecting the people behind them with guns how which of the two groups will,fair,,,which have the best results,,,at the next,,,
What if we just don't want the people with guns there?
 

iamsoandso

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here's the big difference,,one man see's a firearm like Hollywood presents it,,,me my self and i taught this to my sons,,,this is a tool,a screwdriver,a hammer,a wrench,,you clean it and keep the rust out of the chamber and hope you never have to use those tools. but if you have to patch the roof,patch the roof,,if the car breaks down fix it and if the booger man comes,,,well but always pray you don't have to fix those problems,,,,
 
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As I've mentioned before, I'm not an advocate of unchecked and completely unrestricted gun ownership. I believe emotional unstable people and those with a past of violent behavior shouldn't be given a gun, unless they pass some kind of test or something. I also think there should be more restriction on automatic weapons. But I still think people should have a right to defend themselves.

Some posters have shared examples of what has happened in other countries who have heavily regulated gun ownership laws.
And some saying that to completely eradicate guns would solve the problem. <--- It doesn't.

I've realized that one of the biggest mistakes of Mexico is their heavy restriction of gun ownership. I don't know if any of you is aware, but the political&social situation of Mexico is : The government has outlawed guns for the most part. The average citizen doesn't own a gun. The drug cartels have a vast amount of weapons and all kinds of artillery(illegal traffic of guns being another problem). The government, although they deny it of course, has partnered with different drug cartels, which leaves the regular citizen in a very vulnerable position if they were to be victimized by a drug cartel which happens to be a government ''unofficial'' ally. So here heavy gun restrictions has only helped criminals to further their agenda.

This is the current situation of the state of Michoacan. A cartel known as the Knights Templar has been terrorizing the citizens of Michoacan, abusing of their power, imposing made-up taxes on their citizens to be paid to them for owning a business, or simply for using land. Reportedly, they have also kidnapped women, including minors, to rape them and then return them to their homes. The people of a village where this kept happening got tired of the situation and the incompetence of the gov to take action, and took action themselves. This is just an example of what happens when you let corruption run rampant


[video=youtube;jo4Mch5wxxE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo4Mch5wxxE[/video]

PS. I don't support taking action and revolting against the government, as I don't know how that would agree with Romans 13, but I believe taking the option of self defense away from people ultimately leads to more corruption.
 
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