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Oh and about my posting about this
I think we should ask Mr. AgeofKnowledge who has two master's degrees and has taken courses in statistics and critical thinking to do a regression analysis of the stats put up by the authors (which is open online) and to verify their claims if true.
He would be doing the Christian community a great favour. I know he offered Praus this opportunity to ask him questions, but I am sure for the rest of us also, it would be very kind of him.
I think we should ask Mr. AgeofKnowledge who has two master's degrees and has taken courses in statistics and critical thinking to do a regression analysis of the stats put up by the authors (which is open online) and to verify their claims if true.
He would be doing the Christian community a great favour. I know he offered Praus this opportunity to ask him questions, but I am sure for the rest of us also, it would be very kind of him.
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I didn't disregard anything you said or your culture. I have a lot of respect for you as well. Not once did I say you can't have your own opinion or that your opinion needed to be my opinion. I haven't threatened you or called you names, and in fact I came to your defense when several other concealed carry activists were jumping all over you.
You've made it clear you wouldn't want to take a human life because that person could still be saved later. That's fine, and I respect your decision (as well as agree with it), all I said was out of respect for those with differing opinions, it would probably be best if you didn't argue for disarmament at a political level. You're free to not own a gun if that's what you so choose.
Here, at least in the US, I've found that a lot of those who are vocal about no guns have decided to make that choice for everyone else as well as for themselves. All I urged was that you do not make that choice for others, but rather allow them to make it themselves. I am not saying that is what you're doing, I'm just urging you that if that is the case, that you re think it.
For what it's worth, I understand where you are coming from with the value on human life. I wouldn't want to harm someone who is unsaved (and a criminal would have to be or they wouldn't be a criminal), and I wouldn't want to harm someone who is saved either. I don't place very much value on my own safety, but quite a bit on the lives of those around me. I have no way of speaking for those people and whether or not they are saved. The assailant's rights to safety end when they could take the life of another unsaved person who is not breaking the law.
You've made it clear you wouldn't want to take a human life because that person could still be saved later. That's fine, and I respect your decision (as well as agree with it), all I said was out of respect for those with differing opinions, it would probably be best if you didn't argue for disarmament at a political level. You're free to not own a gun if that's what you so choose.
Here, at least in the US, I've found that a lot of those who are vocal about no guns have decided to make that choice for everyone else as well as for themselves. All I urged was that you do not make that choice for others, but rather allow them to make it themselves. I am not saying that is what you're doing, I'm just urging you that if that is the case, that you re think it.
For what it's worth, I understand where you are coming from with the value on human life. I wouldn't want to harm someone who is unsaved (and a criminal would have to be or they wouldn't be a criminal), and I wouldn't want to harm someone who is saved either. I don't place very much value on my own safety, but quite a bit on the lives of those around me. I have no way of speaking for those people and whether or not they are saved. The assailant's rights to safety end when they could take the life of another unsaved person who is not breaking the law.
Thank you ServantStrike.
I am very aware of how sensible and respectful your posts have been .
If you must know, I spent a lot of time, seeking wisdom to reply to your posts, not just this one, but the previous one as well.
My respect and admiration for you only increases. Thank you for considering what I have said and answering them graciously. Forgive me if I inadvertently misread you and caused you any offense.
I have always stated that those are my personal beliefs and views and I don't condemn anyone else for not sharing them.
God bless you.
Warm Regards
PS- However as a citizen of India, I would support policies that concur with my views.
I am very aware of how sensible and respectful your posts have been .
If you must know, I spent a lot of time, seeking wisdom to reply to your posts, not just this one, but the previous one as well.
My respect and admiration for you only increases. Thank you for considering what I have said and answering them graciously. Forgive me if I inadvertently misread you and caused you any offense.
I have always stated that those are my personal beliefs and views and I don't condemn anyone else for not sharing them.
God bless you.
Warm Regards
PS- However as a citizen of India, I would support policies that concur with my views.
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Well, as a fellow conservative and I were talking about gun control in the US, he said these words of wisdom to me: "it's our fault." I asked him what he meant and he said it was simple. The conservatives successfully voted out the Democrats in the South who supported guns, turning it into a party issue, since a lot of them in the North didn't have the outdoorsman background and were touting the control bandwagon.
Now, gun control is one of the issues a lot of democrats latch onto, just like abortion and gay marriage.
But that's not really here nor there. I know of no one who has a licence to carry who are actually excited to get into a fire fight. Most of the people I know who carry are (as you said) staunch conservatives, but have absolutely no desire to shoot any one. I've met one or two who are a bit chemically imbalanced who might want to prove something, but even then, they know it's deadly serious business pulling a gun. I think if you look at the figures from Texas, you might see the numbers of staunch CCW permit holders who actually use their guns is very low.
Now, gun control is one of the issues a lot of democrats latch onto, just like abortion and gay marriage.
But that's not really here nor there. I know of no one who has a licence to carry who are actually excited to get into a fire fight. Most of the people I know who carry are (as you said) staunch conservatives, but have absolutely no desire to shoot any one. I've met one or two who are a bit chemically imbalanced who might want to prove something, but even then, they know it's deadly serious business pulling a gun. I think if you look at the figures from Texas, you might see the numbers of staunch CCW permit holders who actually use their guns is very low.
that's why i like texas,,in a lot of other states it's illegal to have one sort of gun,one kind of clip,some places you cant even have one in your possession,,,but in Texas i can sleep with a shotgun,hide one behind the icebox,put a pistol in my glove-box,tape one under the coffee table,,,,and the only one thats "illegal",,,is(THE ONE THE RAPIST COMING IN THE FRONT DOOR IS CARRING),,,,,
If you kill someone unlawfully with a gun, you are going to stand trial for murder, the same as if you'd killed them unlawfully with a knife or a brick. It isn't as if giving someone a right to carry a gun is going to excuse them from behaving responsibly, without consequences.
I'd be interested to see statistics on how many wrongful deaths or shootings have been committed by licensed gun owners.
I'd be interested to see statistics on how many wrongful deaths or shootings have been committed by licensed gun owners.
here's the big difference,,one man see's a firearm like Hollywood presents it,,,me my self and i taught this to my sons,,,this is a tool,a screwdriver,a hammer,a wrench,,you clean it and keep the rust out of the chamber and hope you never have to use those tools. but if you have to patch the roof,patch the roof,,if the car breaks down fix it and if the booger man comes,,,well but always pray you don't have to fix those problems,,,,
K
As I've mentioned before, I'm not an advocate of unchecked and completely unrestricted gun ownership. I believe emotional unstable people and those with a past of violent behavior shouldn't be given a gun, unless they pass some kind of test or something. I also think there should be more restriction on automatic weapons. But I still think people should have a right to defend themselves.
Some posters have shared examples of what has happened in other countries who have heavily regulated gun ownership laws.
And some saying that to completely eradicate guns would solve the problem. <--- It doesn't.
I've realized that one of the biggest mistakes of Mexico is their heavy restriction of gun ownership. I don't know if any of you is aware, but the political&social situation of Mexico is : The government has outlawed guns for the most part. The average citizen doesn't own a gun. The drug cartels have a vast amount of weapons and all kinds of artillery(illegal traffic of guns being another problem). The government, although they deny it of course, has partnered with different drug cartels, which leaves the regular citizen in a very vulnerable position if they were to be victimized by a drug cartel which happens to be a government ''unofficial'' ally. So here heavy gun restrictions has only helped criminals to further their agenda.
This is the current situation of the state of Michoacan. A cartel known as the Knights Templar has been terrorizing the citizens of Michoacan, abusing of their power, imposing made-up taxes on their citizens to be paid to them for owning a business, or simply for using land. Reportedly, they have also kidnapped women, including minors, to rape them and then return them to their homes. The people of a village where this kept happening got tired of the situation and the incompetence of the gov to take action, and took action themselves. This is just an example of what happens when you let corruption run rampant
[video=youtube;jo4Mch5wxxE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo4Mch5wxxE[/video]
PS. I don't support taking action and revolting against the government, as I don't know how that would agree with Romans 13, but I believe taking the option of self defense away from people ultimately leads to more corruption.
Some posters have shared examples of what has happened in other countries who have heavily regulated gun ownership laws.
And some saying that to completely eradicate guns would solve the problem. <--- It doesn't.
I've realized that one of the biggest mistakes of Mexico is their heavy restriction of gun ownership. I don't know if any of you is aware, but the political&social situation of Mexico is : The government has outlawed guns for the most part. The average citizen doesn't own a gun. The drug cartels have a vast amount of weapons and all kinds of artillery(illegal traffic of guns being another problem). The government, although they deny it of course, has partnered with different drug cartels, which leaves the regular citizen in a very vulnerable position if they were to be victimized by a drug cartel which happens to be a government ''unofficial'' ally. So here heavy gun restrictions has only helped criminals to further their agenda.
This is the current situation of the state of Michoacan. A cartel known as the Knights Templar has been terrorizing the citizens of Michoacan, abusing of their power, imposing made-up taxes on their citizens to be paid to them for owning a business, or simply for using land. Reportedly, they have also kidnapped women, including minors, to rape them and then return them to their homes. The people of a village where this kept happening got tired of the situation and the incompetence of the gov to take action, and took action themselves. This is just an example of what happens when you let corruption run rampant
[video=youtube;jo4Mch5wxxE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo4Mch5wxxE[/video]
PS. I don't support taking action and revolting against the government, as I don't know how that would agree with Romans 13, but I believe taking the option of self defense away from people ultimately leads to more corruption.
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