Wiccans, Devilry? Heresy?

[Harley_Angel]

I see all these posts condeming Wiccans, people who practice witchcraft, etc, or posts that are asking if it's satanism and stuff. Now that we've got all of these non-christians sorted, judged, and condemned what now? Why aren't we starting posts asking how we should minister to these types of people? Why aren't we using our wikipedia knowledge of these different religions to gain understanding of how these people think so we can BRING God to them instead of putting them outside our nice little comfy "Christian" box? Who cares if Wiccas worship the horned god who bares resemblance to what we think Satan might look like? Who cares if buddists and muslims and native americans and whoever else who worship strange dieties? What we should care about is that they AREN'T worshipping God and that it's our duty to try to reach out to them.

 

[cookie39]

Wicca is just another religion--people can be wrong without being satanic. Wiccan magic is basically the same thing as prayer, and does not involve the occult rituals forbidden in the Bible. Condeming Wiccans as satanic is a great way to drive them away from Christ for good.

This is not true and you really need to be ashamed of what you said they have nothing to with Christ, they are affilated with the church of satan, and there deception are not that hidden, you must not speak things you know nothing for you will cause many to fall into a sin that have major destruction as its consequences.... wiccan is withes and there is no such thing as withes in the Bible,,, they start off believing in other gods, mother earth,,, farther time,, and as they are trusted they take on a whol nother form..... they get in to mind altering drug, and sexual orgies,,, animal sacrifices,,,need I say more......

 

[Harley_Angel]

Cookie...I've known more wiccans than you can shake a stick at and guess what? None of them were part of animal sacrifices, sexual orgies, and they weren't drug addicts. They were peaceful people with very open minds, good jobs, lots of friends, families, and good educations. They give thanks for life and for nature and peace and had peaceful celebrations at the 8 wiccan holidays where they came together, danced (clothed), ate food, laughed, had fun, and generally gave thanks to their god and goddess for their bountiful lifes. Many of them believed in Jesus, and some of them even believed in God instead of the god and goddess, they just liked being so in touch with all the gifts God gave them by being spiritually one with nature. Do I believe this is right? No. Is practicing witchcraft even in a peaceable manner to give thanks to things that support humanity good in God's eyes? No. But were they insanely dressed devil worshipping heathens sacrificing goats and burning children on alters while chanting lyrics to rock and roll songs backwards in hopes they could summon a plague on all our houses? No. They are GOOD people with WRONG beliefs. So don't tell someone else they don't know what they are talking about and then spout off things that are also untrue on the whole. And guess what? The Wiccans are NOT all affiliated with Satanists...in fact most Wicca find Satanism appalling because in Satanism the general belief is you are your own god and should have no moral code outside of what you want.

Just because a belief system is wrong doesn't make it evil and full of death, destruction, and horrible acts.

 

[cookie39]

I see all these posts condeming Wiccans, people who practice witchcraft, etc, or posts that are asking if it's satanism and stuff. Now that we've got all of these non-christians sorted, judged, and condemned what now? Why aren't we starting posts asking how we should minister to these types of people? Why aren't we using our wikipedia knowledge of these different religions to gain understanding of how these people think so we can BRING God to them instead of putting them outside our nice little comfy "Christian" box? Who cares if Wiccas worship the horned god who bares resemblance to what we think Satan might look like? Who cares if buddists and muslims and native americans and whoever else who worship strange dieties? What we should care about is that they AREN'T worshipping God and that it's our duty to try to reach out to them.

it is God who condemns and if we as Christian say what God has already said then it is God who judges, not us. and some people really need to get the true understanding about what it is to judge,,, and God tells us How to judge and we are to do it righteously; and to tell some they are doing wrong is Not judging,,,, to tri to tell they why or how they are doing something that is judging. for in doing so you are condeming them... the Bible say cry out loud; spare not... tell my people of their transgressions and their sins.... and that is all it is warning them and in love and the spirit of meekness you correct or rebuke.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

The double C in Wicca/Wicce is pronounced TCH in Witch, thus the words are "witch-uh", not suprisingly for they are the source of the modern english word "witch". Neo-Pagans pronounce Wicca like an American pronouncement of Wicker, Wicker from the root meaning "bent", Wicca/Witch from the root refering to magic, religion, craft and guile. Gerald Gardner who wrote the difinitive texts for the neo-pagan religion of Wicca, claimed that Wicca was the survival of a pre-christian pagan witch cult that had he had been initiated into by the 'New Forest Coven'. Gardner referred to as the High Priest of Bricket Wood coven inspired and developed the other numerous branches of Wicca., he is sometime called 'the father of Wicca'.



Taking a theological inspection of Wicca, it appears to be nothing more than an extention of Theosophy and Freemasonry.

 

[VeritasLuxMea]

This is not true and you really need to be ashamed of what you said they have nothing to with Christ, they are affilated with the church of satan, and there deception are not that hidden, you must not speak things you know nothing for you will cause many to fall into a sin that have major destruction as its consequences.... wiccan is withes and there is no such thing as withes in the Bible,,, they start off believing in other gods, mother earth,,, farther time,, and as they are trusted they take on a whol nother form..... they get in to mind altering drug, and sexual orgies,,, animal sacrifices,,,need I say more......

lol

u am smrat

 

[MahogonySnail]

Most of you think that to worship satan means to sacrifice a small kitten and drink its blood and bow down to a pentagram. But Jesus said to Peter, "get behind me satan" because his thoughts came from MAN and not from God. In that respect wiccans do indeed worship satan.

Besides, as cookie correctly pointed out, pagans are frequently assocated with satanists. Birds of a feather flock together. Although strictly speaking pagans may declare they don't agree with the satanists with whom they befriend, they do recognise that they are on the same level and prefer to mix with them. The use of horned goats or pan in worship and pentagrams it is all coming from the same source which is the occult.

 

[songster]

Wiccan theology varies within their religion. However, most typically support the belief in a god and a goddess, (sometimes a triple goddess), which they believe, dwells in everything. They commonly follow the cycles of the moon, which is symbolic of the goddess, and the sun, is symbolic of the male deity or the god. Nature is a significant focus for these individuals, believing that human life is somehow connected to nature, the changing seasons and specific elements, as well as the moon and the sun.

Their popular creed is, ‘If it harms no one, do as you will’
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Goddess worship is not new and has changed names over the centuries. It was practiced by the Ephesians, as you’ll find in Acts chptr.19 of the bible. A goddess was also worshipped in Rome, Egypt, India, and other locations in the world. The theology is usually very similar among these cultures. The extreme focus on Mary, or extreme ‘veneration’ likely stems from the goddess worship practices of ancient civilizations which became intertwined with Christianity, once the gospel was introduced to these cultures, resulting in some of the modern day catholic practices and doctrine.

You’ll find in Jeremiah, 7, where God is tells the prophet Jeremiah, that he is displeased with the idolatrous practices of His people. Once specific practice, was their worship of the queen of heaven. At this time this false deity, vainly worshipped by the Jewish people, was not given the identity of Mary, as it would be quite some time before the virgin birth, but would have been an idolatrous practice which would have resulted from the influence of surrounding cultures.

“The children gather the wood, the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead dough, to make cakes for the queen of heaven”

This manner of worship, practiced in the cities of Judah in the streets of Jerusalem, provoked God to tell the prophet that His wrath would be poured out on that place.

I recently visited the Philippines where I saw likenesses of Mary, adorned with golden crowns. The Catholic church declared Mary to be the ‘Queen of Heaven’ long ago, and wiccans easily warm up to the idea of having a goddess added to Christianity. Some Wiccans also affirm that Ishtar and the now extremely venerated Mary of the Catholic church, are in fact, one in the same, one goddess called by many names. I sincerely believe that this is a grave doctrinal error on the part of the Catholic church, which blends comfortably with ancient Babylonian culture and modern day wiccan theology.

I must also point out that any reference I have made to Mary, mother of the Christ, is not referring to the actual
non-deified Mary of the gospels.

Over time, some of the names for this goddess have included, Queen of heaven, Ishtar, Isis, moon goddess, diana, astarte, mary, and Oestre, (this is a Germanic term from which we derive the name of the American holiday ‘Easter&#8217. This goddess is believed to be a goddess of fertility and a huntress. Symbols, such as eggs, rabbits and even egg hunts all dovetail nicely with the theology surrounding this false deity and the wiccan/witch’s belief system.
On October 11, 1954, Pope Pius XII proclaimed in the papal encyclical ‘Ad Caeli Reginam ‘, that Mary is queen of heaven. The reasoning was that the mother of a King is also a queen. This perception of royalty is also consistent with Jewish belief.

The goddess honored in the wiccan belief system, who is also know as ‘Ishtar’, was the same goddess worshipped by King Nebachadnezzar II of Babylon. The ‘Ishtar’ gate was constructed in about 575BC and the temples of Ishtar were well known for temple prostitution, as she was also the goddess of sex. Prostitutes within her temple believed themselves to actually become the goddess when serving in this way. The term depicting this type of worship was ‘sacred prostitution’.

Wiccan theology would confirm that Ishtar also had a son, Tammuz, (also referenced in Ezekiel 8:14),
“Then he brought me to the entrance to the north gate of the house of the
Lord and I saw women sitting there weeping for Tammuz"

Tammuz is the son of Ishtar, a counterpart to Adonis,(ancient Greek mythology), who descended into hell, and who was resurrected from the dead and whose resurrection is celebrated.

Make no mistake, Christianity and wicca are connected only through the idolatrous practices of OT Jewish people, the combining of idolatrous practices with Christianity, and by whatever way the members of wicca choose to recognize similarities between their mythological deities and the Christian God.

Any who wish to check references, regarding claims made in this statement pertaining to the catholic church, need only enter, ‘queen of heaven’ into their internet search field.

 

[Harley_Angel]

it is God who condemns and if we as Christian say what God has already said then it is God who judges, not us. and some people really need to get the true understanding about what it is to judge,,, and God tells us How to judge and we are to do it righteously; and to tell some they are doing wrong is Not judging,,,, to tri to tell they why or how they are doing something that is judging. for in doing so you are condeming them... the Bible say cry out loud; spare not... tell my people of their transgressions and their sins.... and that is all it is warning them and in love and the spirit of meekness you correct or rebuke.

Congratulations, you've judge a group of people. Now what? That was the point of my post. You've cried out, you've pointed your finger, you've screamed sinner...so now what are you going to do about it? How are you going to love them? How are you going to bring them to Christ now? We tend to stop at the judging part and don't do anything after that. God isn't gonna look and see that you've judged people for Him, He's gonna see what you did to help them. Telling someone they are doing something wrong isn't judging, no. But you don't tell someone YOU ARE WRONG, and then leave it at that. You show them what is right. We've established a billion times who are considered sinners, who are devil worshippers, blah blah blah, but why dont' we ever give ideas on how to help them? All we do is put them in their little sinner box, snub our noses at them, and turn our backs wiping our hands of their filth and patting ourselves on the back because we figured out someone is sinning and told them they were going to hell...yeah, we are awesome.

 

[Deadtosin]

LUKE: A certain man planted a vineyard, and let it forth to husbandmen, and went into a far country for a long time.
10 And at the season he sent a servant to the husbandmen, that they should give him of the fruit of the vineyard: but the husbandmen beat him, and sent him away empty.
11 And again he sent another servant: and they beat him also, and entreated him shamefully, and sent him away empty.
12 And again he sent a third: and they wounded him also, and cast him out.
13 Then said the lord of the vineyard, What shall I do? I will send my beloved son: it may be they will reverence him when they see him.
14 But when the husbandmen saw him, they reasoned among themselves, saying, This is the heir: come, let us kill him, that the inheritance may be ours.
15 So they cast him out of the vineyard, and killed him. What therefore shall the lord of the vineyard do unto them?
16 He shall come and destroy these husbandmen, and shall give the vineyard to others.

 

[Densetzu]

...What relevance does that parable have on the discussion at hand?

 

[Dread_Zeppelin]

Congratulations, you've judge a group of people. Now what? That was the point of my post. You've cried out, you've pointed your finger, you've screamed sinner...so now what are you going to do about it? How are you going to love them? How are you going to bring them to Christ now? We tend to stop at the judging part and don't do anything after that. God isn't gonna look and see that you've judged people for Him, He's gonna see what you did to help them. Telling someone they are doing something wrong isn't judging, no. But you don't tell someone YOU ARE WRONG, and then leave it at that. You show them what is right. We've established a billion times who are considered sinners, who are devil worshippers, blah blah blah, but why dont' we ever give ideas on how to help them? All we do is put them in their little sinner box, snub our noses at them, and turn our backs wiping our hands of their filth and patting ourselves on the back because we figured out someone is sinning and told them they were going to hell...yeah, we are awesome.

I agree whole heartedly.

 

[VeritasLuxMea]

The only thing at work here is an irrational fear of the unknown.

Xenophobia, the killer of men, felled tree in the path of enlightenment and knowledge, destroyer of progress of humanity as a whole.

 

[Arel]

The only thing at work here is an irrational fear of the unknown.

Xenophobia, the killer of men, felled tree in the path of enlightenment and knowledge, destroyer of progress of humanity as a whole.

This post is Win.

 

[MahogonySnail]

Congratulations, you've judge a group of people. Now what? That was the point of my post. You've cried out, you've pointed your finger, you've screamed sinner...so now what are you going to do about it? How are you going to love them? How are you going to bring them to Christ now? We tend to stop at the judging part and don't do anything after that. God isn't gonna look and see that you've judged people for Him, He's gonna see what you did to help them. Telling someone they are doing something wrong isn't judging, no. But you don't tell someone YOU ARE WRONG, and then leave it at that. You show them what is right. We've established a billion times who are considered sinners, who are devil worshippers, blah blah blah, but why dont' we ever give ideas on how to help them? All we do is put them in their little sinner box, snub our noses at them, and turn our backs wiping our hands of their filth and patting ourselves on the back because we figured out someone is sinning and told them they were going to hell...yeah, we are awesome.

Obviously you've never heard of "shaking the dust off your feet".

 

[dovey]

Absolutly!

 

[Densetzu]

Obviously you've never heard of "shaking the dust off your feet".

If you want to write them off as unresponsive to the Gospel, go right ahead, but that does not give you an excuse to spread false information about their religious beliefs.

I mean the Romans used to think Christians ate babies, cripe's sake. How would you like it if you lived in a world dominated by another religion and constantly heard untrue stories about how evil you and all your fellow Christians were?

 

[MahogonySnail]

If you want to write them off as unresponsive to the Gospel, go right ahead, but that does not give you an excuse to spread false information about their religious beliefs.

Pagan websites will say how nice and friendly they all are but dig a little deeper you'll see.

I mean the Romans used to think Christians ate babies, cripe's sake. How would you like it if you lived in a world dominated by another religion and constantly heard untrue stories about how evil you and all your fellow Christians were?

Actually Roman Catholics have used quotes from Romans about cannibalism to prove that the early church indeed believed they were eating the flesh and blood of Jesus Christ and counter protestant claims. Nonetheless we do live in a secular dominated society and I have heard people claim how evil Christians are so I understand quite well. But according to Christian belief as far as i'm aware, paganism is equivalent to occult. If you believe ina literal satan and a literal God then it puts pagans squarely on the side of literal satan.

 

[dothackzero]

We've established a billion times who are considered sinners, who are devil worshippers, blah blah blah, but why dont' we ever give ideas on how to help them? All we do is put them in their little sinner box, snub our noses at them, and turn our backs wiping our hands of their filth and patting ourselves on the back because we figured out someone is sinning and told them they were going to hell...yeah, we are awesome.

Yeah, it'll be hard for us to show them Christ them if we can't even love them as much as anyone else. And they deserve to know Jesus as much as everyone else does.

 

[Densetzu]

Pagan websites will say how nice and friendly they all are but dig a little deeper you'll see.

You can't lump all Pagans together! By all means, some pagans are bad. Satanists exist. I'm not arguing otherwise. Wiccans do not like Satanists because the Satanists took the Pentacle, turned it upside down, and made it a symbol of evil. The Pentacle! Which was once used by Christians to represent the five wounds of Christ, among other things. Just because there are bad people who call themselves Pagan does not mean that all Pagans are bad.

Just like Fred Phelps doesn't mean all Christians are bad.

Nonetheless we do live in a secular dominated society and I have heard people claim how evil Christians are so I understand quite well. But according to Christian belief as far as i'm aware, paganism is equivalent to occult. If you believe ina literal satan and a literal God then it puts pagans squarely on the side of literal satan.

If humans were so easily separated into sides, then you might have a point. They're not. Many judgmental Christians are firmly in the camp of what I would consider evil, while many Pagans, despite having false spiritual beliefs, actively try to do good and help others. People are more complicated than chess pieces, and this attitude that you can do all kinds of harm and still be a good guy because you said it was in the name of Jesus, or that you can be actively following the golden rule and yet be totally depraved because you think God has horns is utterly poisonous.