Sabbath Law and Rest

[phil112]

Read the verse at the bottom of this page. Mosaic laws are NOT for NT believers so for us they are obsolete.

To clarify that, if I may,obsolete isn't a good term for them when referring to the gentile. They never applied to us, and we were never instructed to follow them.
Many times we are told it is a promise between God and Israel.
Where so many get confused is their reluctance to understand that God's plan to include the gentile in His salvation required a new covenant to cover both jew and gentile. Jew and gentile would never have two different sets of laws from God, as that would mean He uses a double standard, which He never will. We will all be measured by the same measuring stick.

 

[Grandpa]

Personally, I find it fairly easy to following the Commandments. But the Pharisees with their traditional oral law addendum was impossible to keep, even for themselves. They used it to stand on top of people and raise their own stature. That is yoke bondage.

They forgot to have mercy.

If you find it easy to follow the commandments then you don't have any understanding of what they are and what they're for. You've watered them down, as religious people do, just as the Pharisees did, so that it would seem that fleshly men could keep them. This is not the case.

No Flesh shall Glory before God. If it were easy to keep His Law then flesh could indeed glory before Him and His Word would be wrong.

Who is more deceived than the man who thinks he keeps the Law?

Romans 7:5-6
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Galatians 3:24 [SUP] [/SUP]Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

 

[JaumeJ]

When Yeshua said to the hypocrites that they have Moses, He refers to the words given to Moses to write down. There are no Mosaic laws from Moses. All the Tanakh is from God.

 

[Veritas]

Read the verse at the bottom of this page. Mosaic laws are NOT for NT believers so for us they are obsolete.

Then there is no sin, which is transgression of the law, is that what you are saying?

 

[Veritas]

If you find it easy to follow the commandments then you don't have any understanding of what they are and what they're for. You've watered them down, as religious people do, just as the Pharisees did, so that it would seem that fleshly men could keep them. This is not the case.

No Flesh shall Glory before God. If it were easy to keep His Law then flesh could indeed glory before Him and His Word would be wrong.

Who is more deceived than the man who thinks he keeps the Law?

Romans 7:5-6
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

When I falter, I repent and ask for forgiveness. Yeshua said, "My yoke is easy and my burden is light." True or false?

 

[Veritas]

The question is, are we followers of Messiah, or followers of Paul?

 

[Veritas]

The point here is that Paul wasn't actually contradicting Y'shua. People, via all the translations and control of the access to the truth HAVE contradicted Messiah and are holding up as truth the traditions of men and NOT of YHWH. If you don't get what Paul, the student of Gamaliel and one of the most educated Pharisees, was teaching-- did not fly up in our Creator's face and tell Him he didn't know what He was talking about when He wrote the Law with His own finger on ROCK... then you don't get Paul...more importantly, you don't get YHWH.

 

[danschance]

The question is, are we followers of Messiah, or followers of Paul?

Are you saying Paul was not inspired by the Holy Spirit when he wrote the Pauline epistles?

 

[Praus]

The point here is that Paul wasn't actually contradicting Y'shua. People, via all the translations and control of the access to the truth HAVE contradicted Messiah and are holding up as truth the traditions of men and NOT of YHWH. If you don't get what Paul, the student of Gamaliel and one of the most educated Pharisees, was teaching-- did not fly up in our Creator's face and tell Him he didn't know what He was talking about when He wrote the Law with His own finger on ROCK... then you don't get Paul...more importantly, you don't get YHWH.

Was Melchizedek a priest of YHWH? Was he under Mosaic Law or Levitical Law? Thank you.

 

[Veritas]

Are you saying Paul was not inspired by the Holy Spirit when he wrote the Pauline epistles?

That is not what I said. What I am saying is, you don't understand Paul. You think you do, but you don't. And, if you believe YOUR understanding of Paul trumps Yeshua Messiah then, you don't understand Messiah; and you err because you don't KNOW the Scriptures. You know doctrines, but not scripture. YHWH is the same, now, forever and always. What you are saying is He is not. Check yourself.

 

[Veritas]

Praus, what is the difference between Torah and Torah?

Yes, Melchizedek was a priest under YHWH. It's in Genesis.

 

[Veritas]

If you all are saying that there is no sin, because what is sin is given to us by law, then what are you saved from? You're saved from the law because now there is NO SIN. That's the credo of satanism, "do what thou wilt". That is not the gospel delivered by Y'shua to the Apostles.

 

[Spokenpassage]

Melchizedek was a priest outside the mosaic/levitical law. So if Jesus is a High Priest in the same order as melchizedek, what does that mean?

 

[Praus]

Praus, what is the difference between Torah and Torah?

Covenants, of course, the Hebrew is בְּרִית.

Was king Melchizedek under the Abrahamic covenants in Gen 17?

 

[Veritas]

Melchizedek was a priest outside the mosaic/levitical law. So if Jesus is a High Priest in the same order as melchizedek, what does that mean?

Mosaic and Levitical Law has nothing to do with it. Was not the covenant of Abram inclusive of circumcision? He was a priest of YHWH. Abram gave him a tenth. His name doesn't simply mean something like we in the west think of a name. It means King of Righteousness. Melech is King, Zedek is righteous or set-apart. He was the King of Salem (Peace), He was appointed by YHWH. And Abram recognized that because he was in covenant with YHWH, so he gave to Melek Zedek what was proper.

"So if Jesus is a High Priest in the same order as melchizedek, what does that mean?"

Y'shua is THE High Priest. As such, He is fulfilling all righteousness. He is the High Priest and he officiated over his own sacrifice for our sins as the Passover lamb. He was an earthly king through the House of Judah and is the King of Kings via His Father YHWH. The physical and spiritual king.

John the Immerser was the rightful High Priest, effectively in exile from the Herodian temple and eating locusts and honey. So Y'shua comes to the rightful High Priest to be immersed so that the orderly transfer of the Priesthood established by YHWH is followed (to fulfill righteousness as Y'shua said to John)...So Y'shua was immersed to fulfill righteousness and John knew he was in need of Y'shua's immersion. It's beautiful and so clearly a demonstration of His immense love and desire for us to follow His order.

So much has been hidden. We can uncover it if we want to. But it does take effort.

 

[JaumeJ]

I will never get over the awesomeness of our Father. This morning in my readings I read a Scripture I thought may apply to a thread and conversation here in the forum, and lo, these last posts and counterposts appear. Here is what was given this morning.




Jud 1:4
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Jud 1:5
I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

Jud 1:6
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Jud 1:7
Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Jud 1:8
Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

Jud 1:9
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

Jud 1:10
But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

Jud 1:11
Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

 

[lookuptoseeJesus]

The queen of England tells her subjects that on March 15 she will be at the paramont square in london to meet with her subjects.

Immediately after wards they take a poll to see if she will really be there.
1. Is she serious
2. Did she mean scotland
3. Can people go the next day?
4. She wouldn't do that not all England can fit in the square so that wouldnt be fair.
5. She would never play favorites, the scotts would be upset.
6. Did someone kidnap her and replace her with a clone and lied?
7. Is she having a mental breakdown?


what do yo think of a country that takes so little belief in her word that they make a poll about it?

I mean this is a travesty, and total disrespect.

Like we have authority to decide ABOVE GOD what day we should do what.

No wonder God said
Will there be faith when I return on the earth?
Very few ones will have faith in the word of God and the enemy will take them out.

 

[lookuptoseeJesus]

There was a satanic possessed man who dared to pass a law and change the worship day... and everyone just believes him.
Pretty sad what kind of relationship people have with their God of the universe... They dont believe anything.

 

[Praus]

If you all are saying that there is no sin, because what is sin is given to us by law, then what are you saved from? You're saved from the law because now there is NO SIN. That's the credo of satanism, "do what thou wilt". That is not the gospel delivered by Y'shua to the Apostles.

That's a pretty desperate attempt to burn a straw man--"credo of satanism". James makes it clear that there's both law and sin in Christianity.

James 2:8-9 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors.

 

[KohenMatt]

So you are saying Christ contradicted himself?
Why do you people reject Paul? You sound like catholics - "Let's build our doctrine on the part of the bible that Christ didn't send Paul to talk about"..........HOGWASH!
Paul has the authority of God and Christ:
Paul speaks Christ's words. If you don't listen to Paul you reject Christ.
Everyone of you that dissent with Paul's teachings are denying what Christ said. Everyone of you would be well served to read carefully, prayerfully, and objectively, Paul's teachings.

Still haven't had one of you go down Galatians 5th chapter and explain to me where I am wrong.

I don't reject Paul. I believe every word he says. Every word he says lines up with Jesus', the original source.

Jesus's words are the original truth. Paul's words agree with Him. But if it comes down to believing what we "think" Paul said when that view contradicts Jesus' words, I'll believe Jesus words first, and then see how Paul's words must line up with them.