He Comes Back as the King of Israel

[Spokenpassage]

Certianly being a modern day pharisees (judaistist) does not make one blood Hebrew, thing is Yahweh knows who is of the 12 tribes even if man doesnt. And literally speaking agaisnt Jews in a blood term is foolish. Talmudic converts, those are "the synagoge of satan" and are not actually Jewish blood.

In the law of Moses, it is forbidden to marry outside of the ancient Israelite race. So yes let's throw out the blood term since its no avail to today's population of Jews. I don't know whether to believe there is still an "Israel" separate from the church but at the same time I believe there is a millennial kingdom. Something that gets us Christians bent out of shape about.

I think unbelieving Jews are no different than an unbelieving gentile. They both reject Christ. I don't think the 12 tribes are mysteriously among the people. Because if the millennial kingdom comes, it's suppose to fulfill what they hoped for in a sense? I don't know...

 

[Karraster]

That is an awesome desire and the Jews will not receive a Messiah who has changed the law ( ie Sabbath changed). See Deutronomy 13.

Thanks WLT, I am understanding this now. The reality of what has happened really floored me to learn these things. The Jews know that the Jesus that is widely accepted by Christians, could not possibly be the Messiah. The real Messiah would have to agree with God to fulfill the promise. Christians, for the most part, say Jesus did away with Gods Words, all His commandments and appointed feasts.

The Jews are right concerning the false Messiah Jesus most Christians teach, because the Christians have been blinded to the truth of who He really was, what He really taught. He never said forget the commandments, no, He said He did not do away with them, but came to fulfill all that was written of Him. And the Fall Feasts were not even fulfilled yet!!! That is when He is coming back!!!

 

[Spokenpassage]

Thanks WLT, I am understanding this now. The reality of what has happened really floored me to learn these things. The Jews know that the Jesus that is widely accepted by Christians, could not possibly be the Messiah. The real Messiah would have to agree with God to fulfill the promise. Christians, for the most part, say Jesus did away with Gods Words, all His commandments and appointed feasts.

The Jews are right concerning the false Messiah Jesus most Christians teach, because the Christians have been blinded to the truth of who He really was, what He really taught. He never said forget the commandments, no, He said He did not do away with them, but came to fulfill all that was written of Him. And the Fall Feasts were not even fulfilled yet!!! That is when He is coming back!!!

Wow, this post just did U turn. This is disrespectful to the body of Christ. We have brothers and sisters who die in the name of Christ as a Christian. This post just went to respecting unbelieving, Christ rejecting Jews and disrespecting, disgracing Christ's bride and people.

How shameful!

 

[Hizikyah]

In the law of Moses, it is forbidden to marry outside of the ancient Israelite race. So yes let's throw out the blood term since its no avail to today's population of Jews. I don't know whether to believe there is still an "Israel" separate from the church but at the same time I believe there is a millennial kingdom. Something that gets us Christians bent out of shape about.

I think unbelieving Jews are no different than an unbelieving gentile. They both reject Christ. I don't think the 12 tribes are mysteriously among the people. Because if the millennial kingdom comes, it's suppose to fulfill what they hoped for in a sense? I don't know...

Yahweh Commanded Israylites not to marry certain nationalities because they were so steeped in pagan tradition. There is no literal forbidding to marry non Israylites, the big thing is if they worship Yahweh or not, Yahweh didnt want them marrying heathen.

Exodus 12:48-49, "And when a stranger lives among you and wants to sacrifice the Passover to Yahweh, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near, and sacrifice it; and he shall be as a native of the land. But no uncircumcised person shall eat of it. One Law shall be for the nativeborn and for the stranger who dwells among you."

Numbers 15:15-16, "One ordinance shall be for you of the congregation, and for the stranger who sojourns with you, as an ordinance forever throughout your generations. As you are, so shall the stranger be in front of Yahweh. One Law and one manner shall be for you and for the stranger who sojourns with you."

Now the pharisees did have "gentiles are unclean laws" and they "changed" bloodline going through the father to bloodline going through the mother, (all falsely)

 

[Spokenpassage]

Thanks for correcting me, I should have reread the law to make sure of what I was saying

 

[Karraster]

There is a problem Karraster,

What is a "Jew" today? I think it's more as a religion than an actual race, but I could be wrong. As of right now there is at least 12,000 to 15,000 Jewish followers of Christ in Israel (by the VOM report). Are they just Jews who believe in Christ, or were they converted from Judaism?

I don't know if I want to call them my brothers if they plainly hate Jesus our Lord...

Which Jesus do you speak about? I ask, because I don't assume.

There are 2 very different Messiahs, and 2 different types.

The Jews know prophesy and know that the Jesus being preached mainstream is not the true Messiah.

The real Jesus/Yahshua/Messiah, would never go against what His Father said was ETERNAL.

So again, which Jesus do you talk about? The one who agrees with Father, or the one who rebelled against Father?

 

[Spokenpassage]

Which Jesus do you speak about? I ask, because I don't assume.

There are 2 very different Messiahs, and 2 different types.

The Jews know prophesy and know that the Jesus being preached mainstream is not the true Messiah.

The real Jesus/Yahshua/Messiah, would never go against what His Father said was ETERNAL.

So again, which Jesus do you talk about? The one who agrees with Father, or the one who rebelled against Father?

Just stop it. There is one, not two. If this is because of the law of Moses, it's because there is confusion. You can admit it, is what we teach that the law is changed, confusing? I once was confused about grace and law, but then I learned the very root of God's word and took it at it's source. I believe you chose this side out of confusion, and that side made more sense to you. I might never know what's behind you and other's motives for why you believe this. But I'll tell you, it's not looking safe...

 

[Karraster]

Just stop it. There is one, not two. If this is because of the law of Moses, it's because there is confusion. You can admit it, is what we teach that the law is changed, confusing? I once was confused about grace and law, but then I learned the very root of God's word and took it at it's source. I believe you chose this side out of confusion, and that side made more sense to you. I might never know what's behind you and other's motives for why you believe this. But I'll tell you, it's not looking safe...

If my words confuse you, imagine how the Jewish people might feel!!! Twisting scripture is confusion, not me agreeing with the Messiah that died for us.

I am trying my best to be clear on what I believe. I have always believed in Jesus, since I was a child. My whole family went to church on Sunday, and the consensus was be a good person and believe in Jesus. Jesus did away with the old testament
Now I know that is false! He said Himself He did not come to do away with the Law, but to fulfill what is written of Him. I was relying on preachers to tell me the Word instead of reading it myself.

He made the distinction not to follow man's laws, but adhere to what the Father gave Moses, love God, love man (10 commandments). It's not about washing hands or which shoe to put on first etc. as the Pharisees taught.

Furthermore, we never even learned about the Feast of the Lord! It's just wrong, all the stuff I've heard in Church all these years. And this is what is confusing, that we mistakenly think we can believe Jesus died for us so we can live as we please. So it's no wonder the Jewish people don't believe, because we have twisted the Messiah's Words.

So basically, a false Messiah is being preached if they say He did away with all the law, prophets, and feasts. And that is what is being preached in most churches today.

 

[Spokenpassage]

If my words confuse you, imagine how the Jewish people might feel!!! Twisting scripture is confusion, not me agreeing with the Messiah that died for us.

I am trying my best to be clear on what I believe. I have always believed in Jesus, since I was a child. My whole family went to church on Sunday, and the consensus was be a good person and believe in Jesus. Jesus did away with the old testament
Now I know that is false! He said Himself He did not come to do away with the Law, but to fulfill what is written of Him. I was relying on preachers to tell me the Word instead of reading it myself.

He made the distinction not to follow man's laws, but adhere to what the Father gave Moses, love God, love man (10 commandments). It's not about washing hands or which shoe to put on first etc. as the Pharisees taught.

Furthermore, we never even learned about the Feast of the Lord! It's just wrong, all the stuff I've heard in Church all these years. And this is what is confusing, that we mistakenly think we can believe Jesus died for us so we can live as we please. So it's no wonder the Jewish people don't believe, because we have twisted the Messiah's Words.

So basically, a false Messiah is being preached if they say He did away with all the law, prophets, and feasts. And that is what is being preached in most churches today.

You have such a huge accusation for a notion that you don't even understand. The Law of Moses is gone, because Jesus fulfilled it, yes when it's fulfilled it is no longer in use except for further learning and prophecy such as the feasts. What's really dangerous about your post is that you are accusing Christians of living in sin. We do not teach disobedience to God just because of God's grace. The ten commandments are moral law, that stuff still matters. The law of Moses is deep, that section of the law of the old testament was given specifically to Jews mainly.

We don't teach sin! But we don't also teach Law following. This is the part that you and others get so confused about. As I have posted in another thread, the law just points out your sins, it doesn't teach you how to obey it, pure motives of the Spirit do. The law says don't this, but it doesn't teach you how to actually obey it.

10 commandments (let's leave out the Sabbath for later), these are moral law. Of course we believe in following these, but we don't do it by law keeping. We obey them by pure inner motives that are written on our heart. The New Testament teaches more on improving your Spiritual godliness rather than physical discipline.

The law is the shell of an egg, the Spirit is the yoke. In order for us to be an egg, we need the yoke.

If your church hasn't studied on the law, then why don't you? I have studied the feasts but I know that since we are under a new covenant, there is a new law, and a new High Priest. The new law is inner change. Does this make sense? Inner change is the yoke to the egg. That's what we obey, inner godliness, which then automatically obeys the ten commandments, does this make sense. I'll try to help you if it doesn't.

 

[Spokenpassage]

If Moses was the mediator of Israel and God, whose the mediator of the church and God?

If there is a change of mediators, then there is a change of law.

If Aaron was the high priest of the Old, whose the high priest of the New?

If there is a change of priesthood, then there is a change of law.

According to the law, you must be a Levite to be a priest. How is that in the new testament every believer is a priest? Because we don't adhere to the law of Moses which demands bloodline, we follow the law of Christ that demands us by the Spirit. If you aren't born again, you will never see the kingdom of God right?

Just read Hebrews 7:12, if you want, you can read the whole chapter in context.

 

[Karraster]

You have such a huge accusation for a notion that you don't even understand. The Law of Moses is gone, because Jesus fulfilled it, yes when it's fulfilled it is no longer in use except for further learning and prophecy such as the feasts. What's really dangerous about your post is that you are accusing Christians of living in sin. We do not teach disobedience to God just because of God's grace. The ten commandments are moral law, that stuff still matters. The law of Moses is deep, that section of the law of the old testament was given specifically to Jews mainly.

We don't teach sin! But we don't also teach Law following. This is the part that you and others get so confused about. As I have posted in another thread, the law just points out your sins, it doesn't teach you how to obey it, pure motives of the Spirit do. The law says don't this, but it doesn't teach you how to actually obey it.

10 commandments (let's leave out the Sabbath for later), these are moral law. Of course we believe in following these, but we don't do it by law keeping. We obey them by pure inner motives that are written on our heart. The New Testament teaches more on improving your Spiritual godliness rather than physical discipline.

The law is the shell of an egg, the Spirit is the yoke. In order for us to be an egg, we need the yoke.

If your church hasn't studied on the law, then why don't you? I have studied the feasts but I know that since we are under a new covenant, there is a new law, and a new High Priest. The new law is inner change. Does this make sense? Inner change is the yoke to the egg. That's what we obey, inner godliness, which then automatically obeys the ten commandments, does this make sense. I'll try to help you if it doesn't.

Please spare me your lifeless words,..... "The new law is inner change. Does this make sense? Inner change is the yoke to the egg. That's what we obey, inner godliness, which then automatically obeys the ten commandments, does this make sense."10 commandments (let's leave out the Sabbath for later)" No, it contradicts itself.

I've heard enough of the egg/yoke, and what you say is precisely what I walk, no RUN away from. I am studying the Bible, this time with a clear head. I am purging all the man made analogies, and commentary.

The pure Word, nothing more nothing less.[SUP]
13 [/SUP]Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

[SUP]22 [/SUP]Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. {lawlessness}

 

[Spokenpassage]

Please spare me your lifeless words,..... "The new law is inner change. Does this make sense? Inner change is the yoke to the egg. That's what we obey, inner godliness, which then automatically obeys the ten commandments, does this make sense."10 commandments (let's leave out the Sabbath for later)" No, it contradicts itself.

I've heard enough of the egg/yoke, and what you say is precisely what I walk, no RUN away from. I am studying the Bible, this time with a clear head. I am purging all the man made analogies, and commentary.

The pure Word, nothing more nothing less.[SUP]
13 [/SUP]Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

[SUP]22 [/SUP]Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. {lawlessness}

I was hoping and praying against this wicked notion. Now I know your religious! I believe you can't be taught anymore unless you humble yourself in discipline and correction. I will keep you on my prayers.

 

[Karraster]

I was hoping and praying against this wicked notion. Now I know your religious! I believe you can't be taught anymore unless you humble yourself in discipline and correction. I will keep you on my prayers.

Thank you.

 

[sc81]

Christian zionists are crazy people I want nothing to do with, pushing for wars with as many arab/muslim countries as they can all to keep israel safe, still intent on trying to start a war with iran for exmaple.

brother nathaniel was a jew raised and knows the true attitude of jews towards christians.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KLALZLEDgo

jews are as hostile to christians as muslims, just not as open about it.

 

[Karraster]

Christian zionists are crazy people I want nothing to do with, pushing for wars with as many arab/muslim countries as they can all to keep israel safe, still intent on trying to start a war with iran for exmaple.

brother nathaniel was a jew raised and knows the true attitude of jews towards christians.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KLALZLEDgo

jews are as hostile to christians as muslims, just not as open about it.

I fail to see how this relates to the OP. Clearly I am not interested in the powers of Israel, the leaders, or leaders anywhere for that matter.

I am interested in the every day people, and sharing the true Gospel to them.

 

[Spokenpassage]

Yes Karraster, read the Word of God. I do apologize for my attitude and for me not fully reading that second to last post. The wicked notion is to reject what I was trying to simply explain. It's not a contradiction, it's what you will find in the rich pure milk of the word. Hope all is well...

 

[sc81]

I fail to see how this relates to the OP. Clearly I am not interested in the powers of Israel, the leaders, or leaders anywhere for that matter.

I am interested in the every day people, and sharing the true Gospel to them.

great then do something in america, there are tens of millions unsaved there

do you think jews are more worthy than gentiles

 

[Karraster]

great then do something in america, there are tens of millions unsaved there

do you think jews are more worthy than gentiles

It is going to take a worldwide prayer effort for the orthodox Jews to embrace Him. They will (Zech. 12:10, Matt. 23:39) but it is going to take prayer.

Of course I love my brothers and sisters in Christ, and the ones yet to believe. I am so heartbroken to think of anyone who does not know Him.

Love is not limited. Because you love one group of people does not mean you have none left to give to another.

 

[JaumeJ]

Spoken as a true and faithful follower of Messiah...............

Thank you.

 

[Spokenpassage]

Spoken as a true and faithful follower of Messiah...............

Just stop it. All you guys ever do is make endless threads agreeing with each other...seriously would Jesus appreciate anything that is going on here?