He Comes Back as the King of Israel

[Karraster]

Yes Karraster, read the Word of God. I do apologize for my attitude and for me not fully reading that second to last post. The wicked notion is to reject what I was trying to simply explain. It's not a contradiction, it's what you will find in the rich pure milk of the word. Hope all is well...

You apologize then turn and say I have a wicked notion? We are not communicating well with each other. Perhaps it would be better for us both to agree to disagree. I like the scripture in your post. I will try to honor that, it is true words.

Then the Lord passed by in front of him and proclaimed, "The Lord, the Lord God, compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in lovingkindness and truth; who keeps lovingkindness for thousands, who forgives iniquity, transgression and sins; yet He will by no means leave the guilty unpunished" - Exodus 34:6-7C NASB

 

[Spokenpassage]

You apologize then turn and say I have a wicked notion? We are not communicating well with each other. Perhaps it would be better for us both to agree to disagree. I like the scripture in your post. I will try to honor that, it is true words.

Then the Lord passed by in front of him and proclaimed, "The Lord, the Lord God, compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in lovingkindness and truth; who keeps lovingkindness for thousands, who forgives iniquity, transgression and sins; yet He will by no means leave the guilty unpunished" - Exodus 34:6-7C NASB

You do have a wicked notion if you disagreeing with Jesus Christ and God the Father!

I am trying to be nice, but the more religious things I see here, the more I get upset. It's against the word to hate Jesus!

 

[john832]

Yep, I do love Him and desire to obey. Keeps me praying prayer of thanksgiving and praise and for conviction and revelations. I found the love needed for both the God of Israel (Yah) and Yah's salvation (Yeshua).

I know you do and of course the question was not directed at you. It was in addition to what you posted.

 

[JaumeJ]

My reply to your attitude is in the other thread where you are playing judge, jury and prosecutor with me, you know where it is. You are doing the same thing here. Watch how you deal with other members of the Body of Messiah. Love is the tonic, not constant criticism of others who wish to share what has been given them from above.

You do have a wicked notion if you disagreeing with Jesus Christ and God the Father!

I am trying to be nice, but the more religious things I see here, the more I get upset. It's against the word to hate Jesus!

 

[Spokenpassage]

My reply to your attitude is in the other thread where you are playing judge, jury and prosecutor with me, you know where it is. You are doing the same thing here. Watch how you deal with other members of the Body of Messiah. Love is the tonic, not constant criticism of others who wish to share what has been given them from above.

Please, this is hypocrisy if you are calling me out as a judge, when she made a thread with posts insulting the body of Christ. She even said that Christians don't follow the messiah. Watch yourself, before pointing fingers at other people.

 

[john832]

No need to make up for lost time because you are a member of the royal family now.

Not exactly correct. Salvation is a free gift but reward is according to works.

 

[JaumeJ]

I believe you should reread every one of her posts, then understand how the words are used young man.

Please, this is hypocrisy if you are calling me out as a judge, when she made a thread with posts insulting the body of Christ. She even said that Christians don't follow the messiah. Watch yourself, before pointing fingers at other people.

 

[Spokenpassage]

I believe you should reread every one of her posts, then understand how the words are used young man.

How about we both?

 

[john832]

I do not gloat over a Jew of today who does not know Jesus, I am concerned about their salvation as well an unbeliever non-Jew. If you want to distinctions between Jews and Gentiles who don't know Christ, that's your folly I guess.

Matt. 21:

43 “Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it.

This site is becoming a joke.

Here's a little meat to go with your potatoes...

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Blindness has happened to Israel. Why?

Rom 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

How? Isn't there only one way?

Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Joh 10:7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
Joh 10:8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
Joh 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

But God has blinded Israel (not only Israel but most of the world) at this time...

Mat 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
Mat 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
Mat 13:12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
Mat 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
Mat 13:14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
Mat 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

Not everyone can understand the mysteries of heaven. There is a special miracle that must occur in the mind of anyone who comes to the Father through Christ...

Luk 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

Now until this happens, EVERYONE is in this condition...

Mat 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

Why?

2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Not some small tribe of 43 people in the Amazon, the WHOLE WORLD. The SDAs have this false doctrine of the Great Controversy and almost everyone has bought into it. This doctrine says that God is desparately trying to save everyone right now, today. It also says that the Devil is doing everything he can to thwart God's plan and send everyone to the Lake of Fire. If this doctrine is correct, who is winning? Who is the greatest and most powerful? The truth is that God is not trying to save everyone today...

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Rom 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

And yet we read...

Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Seems to be a dichotomy here. How do we resolve it? Stay tuned for part II.

 

[Karraster]

You do have a wicked notion if you disagreeing with Jesus Christ and God the Father!

I am trying to be nice, but the more religious things I see here, the more I get upset. It's against the word to hate Jesus!

Show me where I said that.

Is it not you, who deny what Jesus taught? Where did He say we are like an egg? That we are supposed to love His Laws, just don't obey them? That thinking good thoughts are what really matters?

Proverbs 20[SUP]6 [/SUP]Most men will proclaim every one his own goodness: but a faithful man who can find?

 

[Spokenpassage]

Show me where I said that.

Is it not you, who deny what Jesus taught? Where did He say we are like an egg? That we are supposed to love His Laws, just don't obey them? That thinking good thoughts are what really matters?

Proverbs 20[SUP]6 [/SUP]Most men will proclaim every one his own goodness: but a faithful man who can find?

Your heart doesn't want to be open in discussion. If you want to, we can talk civil.

The physical law does not teach you how to do good and change. If that were true, how come Israel failed so many times? Would you like to discuss this?

 

[Spokenpassage]

Thanks WLT, I am understanding this now. The reality of what has happened really floored me to learn these things. The Jews know that the Jesus that is widely accepted by Christians, could not possibly be the Messiah. The real Messiah would have to agree with God to fulfill the promise. Christians, for the most part, say Jesus did away with Gods Words, all His commandments and appointed feasts.

The Jews are right concerning the false Messiah Jesus most Christians teach, because the Christians have been blinded to the truth of who He really was, what He really taught. He never said forget the commandments, no, He said He did not do away with them, but came to fulfill all that was written of Him. And the Fall Feasts were not even fulfilled yet!!! That is when He is coming back!!!

What is this? I am just rereading her posts J.

Which Jesus do you speak about? I ask, because I don't assume.

There are 2 very different Messiahs, and 2 different types.

The Jews know prophesy and know that the Jesus being preached mainstream is not the true Messiah.

The real Jesus/Yahshua/Messiah, would never go against what His Father said was ETERNAL.

So again, which Jesus do you talk about? The one who agrees with Father, or the one who rebelled against Father?

This is what upsets me. Accusations against the church, but a defense for the Jews. There is so many "mainstream" doctrine, but the overall church is legit unless God is a God of confusion???? No! There is false teachers, but the church itself is not full of just fakes. America might be, but not the overall church!

 

[JaumeJ]

Did you know that Paul teaches in Romans that the law is spiritual? Only those who have received the new nature given them by the Holy Spirit understand the law and the love of it, yet live in the full grace of Yahweh, God. It is freedom, yet in the spirit we obey all the laws. Studying them will only benefit the soul. Keep in mind there are good laws and bad laws. You should know the difference by your new nature, and watching and hearing the teaching of our Master, Jesus...

Your heart doesn't want to be open in discussion. If you want to, we can talk civil.

The physical law does not teach you how to do good and change. If that were true, how come Israel failed so many times? Would you like to discuss this?

 

[john832]

How will God deal with those who He is not calling today? There is a time coming for all people to come to Christ...

Joh 7:37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
Joh 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

Most people focus on "If any man thirst, let him come unto me," and fail to read the first part of hte verse...

"In the last day, that great day of the feast". The Last Great Day. What is that Last Great Day? There is coming a time for Israel and all people to come to Christ. Those who are blinded. Those who lived in China 4000 years ago and never heard the name of Christ...

Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

All people. God is consistent. He has one way of salvation for all...

Eph 4:3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
Eph 4:7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.

What differs is the timing...

Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

When does this come for those not called today?

Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

So what happens after the 1000 years?

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Notice that the books (all 66 of 'em) are opened? The blindness is lifted and as we read in John 7 whomever will can at this time come to Christ. What about all those blinded Israelites?

Eze 37:1 The hand of the LORD was upon me, and carried me out in the spirit of the LORD, and set me down in the midst of the valley which was full of bones,
Eze 37:2 And caused me to pass by them round about: and, behold, there were very many in the open valley; and, lo, they were very dry.
Eze 37:3 And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord GOD, thou knowest.
Eze 37:4 Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the LORD.
Eze 37:5 Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:
Eze 37:6 And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.
Eze 37:7 So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone.
Eze 37:8 And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them.
Eze 37:9 Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.
Eze 37:10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.
Eze 37:11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.
Eze 37:12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
Eze 37:13 And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

This is a physical resurrection; bones, flesh, sinews, skin and they are again given the breath of life. Now comes the exciting part...

Eze 37:14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.

They will receive the Spirit of God, the Holy Spirit and receive life.

How long does this period last?

Isa 65:20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

All brought up in this second resurrection will have 100 years to choose the way of life. This is really good news for those who have not had a chance at salvation. They will be given their chance, their first chance.

 

[Spokenpassage]

Did you know that Paul teaches in Romans that the law is spiritual? Only those who have received the new nature given them by the Holy Spirit understand the law and the love of it, yet live in the full grace of Yahweh, God. It is freedom, yet in the spirit we obey all the laws. Studying them will only benefit the soul. Keep in mind there are good laws and bad laws. You should know the difference by your new nature, and watching and hearing the teaching of our Master, Jesus...

The law is spiritual, in righteousness. But it doesn't soak within as with the Holy Spirit. Our new nature is from within, not outside by law keeping you know that. You know that inner change must occur before outer change appears. Paul talks a lot about that in Romans. Jeremiah briefs it in prophecy.

 

[john832]

Did you know that Paul teaches in Romans that the law is spiritual?

No, most do not know this my friend.

 

[Karraster]

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What is this? I am just rereading her posts J.




This is what upsets me. Accusations against the church, but a defense for the Jews. There is so many "mainstream" doctrine, but the overall church is legit unless God is a God of confusion???? No! There is false teachers, but the church itself is not full of just fakes. America might be, but not the overall church!

That's a cute trick to select one line and not the counterpart that goes with it, which is this-

"The real Jesus/Yahshua/Messiah, would never go against what His Father said was ETERNAL."

And there is nothing but truth there.

 

[Karraster]

John I thank you for all the posts, you gave so much information there. I will be looking over it all day. Again, thanks!

 

[Spokenpassage]

That's a cute trick to select one line and not the counterpart that goes with it, which is this-

"The real Jesus/Yahshua/Messiah, would never go against what His Father said was ETERNAL."

And there is nothing but truth there.

Cute trick? If I wanted just a piece of it, I wouldn't have posted the entire quote. I bolded the foundation of that entire quote on which you stand...

 

[Karraster]

Did you know that Paul teaches in Romans that the law is spiritual? Only those who have received the new nature given them by the Holy Spirit understand the law and the love of it, yet live in the full grace of Yahweh, God. It is freedom, yet in the spirit we obey all the laws. Studying them will only benefit the soul. Keep in mind there are good laws and bad laws. You should know the difference by your new nature, and watching and hearing the teaching of our Master, Jesus...

Thank you JJ. Romans has tripped me up because I didn't study Torah. I didn't understand being "spiritual" was based on Torah. I thought "spiritual" was following my heart about what was right and wrong. I kept coming across scripture I didn't know what to do with, like this one:


[SUP]9 [/SUP]The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?