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I simply think you misunderstand the Scriptures.
Revelation 14:12-13, "In this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, in conformity with the faith, in Yahshua Messiah. And I heard a voice from heaven saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, the ones dying in the Messiah from now on! Yes, says the Spirit: because they will rest from their labors, and their works do follow them!"
If our works don't matter why are we judged by them?
Romans 2:12, "For as many as have sinned without the Law, will also perish without the Law, and as many as have sinned in the Law, will be judged by the Law."
Mattithyah 16:27, “For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His Malakim; and then He will reward every man according to his works.”
Yahchanan (John) 5:28-30, “Do not be astonished at this-for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice, and will come forth. Those who have practiced righteousness will be resurrected in order to live; and those who have practiced wickedness will be resurrected in order to be damned."
Acts 17:30-31, “In the past Yahweh winked at such ignorance, but now He commands all men everywhere to repent! For He has appointed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness, by a Man whom He has ordained; and He has given evidence to everyone by raising Him from the dead.”
Romans 2:4-11, “Or do you despise the riches of His kindness, forbearance, and longsuffering; not realizing that Yahweh’s kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? But according to your stubborn and impenitent mind you are storing up wrath for yourself for the day of Yahweh’s wrath, when the righteous judgment of Yahweh will be revealed; when He will reward each one according to his works: to the ones on the one hand, who, by patient persistence in doing righteousness, seek for glory, honor and immortality, He will give eternal life. But to the ones on the other hand, who are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, He will give indignation and wrath.” Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man who does evil: to the Yahdai(Jew) first, and also to the Greek (Gentile) But glory, honor, and peace to every man who works righteousness: to the Yahdai first, and also to the Greek. For there is no respect of persons with Yahweh.”
2 Corinthians 5:10, “For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Messiah, that each one may receive his reward according to what he has done in the body, whether righteous or evil.”
Colossians 3:24-25, “Knowing that from Yahweh you will receive the reward of the inheritance; for you serve Yahshua the Messiah. But he who does wrong will receive the reward for the wrong he has done, and there is no respect of persons.”
1 Kepha (Peter) 1:17-18, “And if you call on the Father, Who without respect of persons judges according to each man’s work, conduct yourselves throughout the time of your sojourning here in reverence. Knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, such as silver or gold, from your idolatrous way of life handed down to you by tradition from your fathers.”
1 Yahchanan 3:7, "Little children, let no man deceive you; he who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous."
Revelation 14:12-13, "In this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, in conformity with the faith, in Yahshua Messiah. And I heard a voice from heaven saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, the ones dying in the Messiah from now on! Yes, says the Spirit: because they will rest from their labors, and their works do follow them!"
If our works don't matter why are we judged by them?
Romans 2:12, "For as many as have sinned without the Law, will also perish without the Law, and as many as have sinned in the Law, will be judged by the Law."
Mattithyah 16:27, “For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His Malakim; and then He will reward every man according to his works.”
Yahchanan (John) 5:28-30, “Do not be astonished at this-for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice, and will come forth. Those who have practiced righteousness will be resurrected in order to live; and those who have practiced wickedness will be resurrected in order to be damned."
Acts 17:30-31, “In the past Yahweh winked at such ignorance, but now He commands all men everywhere to repent! For He has appointed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness, by a Man whom He has ordained; and He has given evidence to everyone by raising Him from the dead.”
Romans 2:4-11, “Or do you despise the riches of His kindness, forbearance, and longsuffering; not realizing that Yahweh’s kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? But according to your stubborn and impenitent mind you are storing up wrath for yourself for the day of Yahweh’s wrath, when the righteous judgment of Yahweh will be revealed; when He will reward each one according to his works: to the ones on the one hand, who, by patient persistence in doing righteousness, seek for glory, honor and immortality, He will give eternal life. But to the ones on the other hand, who are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, He will give indignation and wrath.” Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man who does evil: to the Yahdai(Jew) first, and also to the Greek (Gentile) But glory, honor, and peace to every man who works righteousness: to the Yahdai first, and also to the Greek. For there is no respect of persons with Yahweh.”
2 Corinthians 5:10, “For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Messiah, that each one may receive his reward according to what he has done in the body, whether righteous or evil.”
Colossians 3:24-25, “Knowing that from Yahweh you will receive the reward of the inheritance; for you serve Yahshua the Messiah. But he who does wrong will receive the reward for the wrong he has done, and there is no respect of persons.”
1 Kepha (Peter) 1:17-18, “And if you call on the Father, Who without respect of persons judges according to each man’s work, conduct yourselves throughout the time of your sojourning here in reverence. Knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, such as silver or gold, from your idolatrous way of life handed down to you by tradition from your fathers.”
1 Yahchanan 3:7, "Little children, let no man deceive you; he who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous."
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To homwardbound,Your post 352 is great. But #353 is of your sinful "flesh". Your too are ignorant of the great trues of the Word of God,. You and Elin are the same, you both teach a Gnosticism that God hates. You both go beyond the clear
"paradoxical " words of God and build you own false doctrine. Like salvation is "absolutely free" NO WAY. it is "free" but not absolutely free, there are "strings"attached to the free gift. Love the whole truth, Hoffco
"paradoxical " words of God and build you own false doctrine. Like salvation is "absolutely free" NO WAY. it is "free" but not absolutely free, there are "strings"attached to the free gift. Love the whole truth, Hoffco
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To Hizikyah, thanks again for defending the whole truth. We are in the great apostasy and Jesus is getting ready to return. Men will continue to be lovers of errors,half truths, and promoting heretic words, denying the Lord's holy words. It is very sad when those who profess the name of Jesus promote only half of the truth. I pray for their souls will be among those who are saved , but thru fire, all their preaching work will be lost. even though they themselves are holy in heart, and not condemned with the world. Love the whole truth, Hoffco
I just know I want to follow Yahweh, and Yahweh says to listen to Messiah.
Deuteronomy 18:18-19, "I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it"
"listen" is word #8085 שָׁמַע shama` {shaw-mah'}
Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)
Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey
Isayah 42:21, "Yahweh is well-pleased, for His righteousness' sake, to magnify the Law, and make it honorable"
Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."
Yahchanan 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."
Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
Deuteronomy 18:18-19, "I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it"
"listen" is word #8085 שָׁמַע shama` {shaw-mah'}
Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)
Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey
Isayah 42:21, "Yahweh is well-pleased, for His righteousness' sake, to magnify the Law, and make it honorable"
Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."
Yahchanan 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."
Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
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God keeps developing my systematic theo. by my Biblical theo. studying of each passage as I read the Word Of God. In rom.2:26 I see an other indicator that the Gentiles in 2:14-27 are born again Gentiles: v26"Therefore, if an uncircumcised man keeps the righteous requirements of the law, will not his uncircumcision be counted as circumcision? 27 And will not the physically uncircumcised, if he fulfills the law, judge you (Jew) who even with your written code and circumcision, are a transgressor of the law?" How can "the righteous requirements of the law" be "fulfilled" by an unsaved person? Only the saved person can live the law of love and keep the spirit of the law, ask for forgiveness when he braked the law. This is a characteristic of the saved person of Rom. 8: 4" That the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit." This is why 8:2 says "For the law of the
Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death." Now we can keep the Law. Love to all Hoffco
Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death." Now we can keep the Law. Love to all Hoffco
Are you sure about that?
The principles revealed to Paul by Jesus Christ,
labored in the first four chapters of Romans,
and proven in Abraham (Ro 4) are:
1) No one is made righteous by law keeping, by law keeping everyone is condemned
(Ro 3:20, 4:15; Gal 3:10, 13).
2) The only righteousness is by faith in Jesus Christ.
3) There is no other righteousness on earth.
4) Eternal destiny to eternal life or eternal death is based on the only righteousness
on earth; i.e., in Christ.
So all judgment of God based on any kind of righteousness in the above Scriptures
boils down to the only righteousness there is on earth,
and that is the righteousness of Christ, through obedience of faith, by the power of grace.
All judgment of believers related to their works of faith is the judgment explained in 1Co 3:12-15.
It has no bearing on their salvation (1Co 3:15),
it is a reward or prize for the quality of their work as believers (1Co 3:12-14), and
is granted after their arrival in heaven by possession of eternal life, received on earth through faith alone
(Jn 3:16, 18; Ro 3:21-22).
In the NT, there is no eternal life based on our works of righteousness.
In the NT, there is only denial of eternal life based on our works of righteousness.
In the NT, righteousness is only by faith in Jesus Christ.
The principles revealed to Paul by Jesus Christ,
labored in the first four chapters of Romans,
and proven in Abraham (Ro 4) are:
1) No one is made righteous by law keeping, by law keeping everyone is condemned
(Ro 3:20, 4:15; Gal 3:10, 13).
2) The only righteousness is by faith in Jesus Christ.
3) There is no other righteousness on earth.
4) Eternal destiny to eternal life or eternal death is based on the only righteousness
on earth; i.e., in Christ.
So all judgment of God based on any kind of righteousness in the above Scriptures
boils down to the only righteousness there is on earth,
and that is the righteousness of Christ, through obedience of faith, by the power of grace.
All judgment of believers related to their works of faith is the judgment explained in 1Co 3:12-15.
It has no bearing on their salvation (1Co 3:15),
it is a reward or prize for the quality of their work as believers (1Co 3:12-14), and
is granted after their arrival in heaven by possession of eternal life, received on earth through faith alone
(Jn 3:16, 18; Ro 3:21-22).
In the NT, there is no eternal life based on our works of righteousness.
In the NT, there is only denial of eternal life based on our works of righteousness.
In the NT, righteousness is only by faith in Jesus Christ.
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Elin, You continue to deny the clear words of scripture. You claim there is no other righteousness on earth except the righteous by faith in Jesus which God imputes to us. We keep quoting verse after verse that proves that the saved, born again, of God are God's "slaves" of God, "doers of good" of righteousness, commanded to be holy, told not to love the world or we will be lost. why should we keep talking if you don't listen? BUT, for those who listen, I will give more proof of the righteous deeds of the saved, Mt.25:26 "And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous to everlasting life." Jesus was very clear, the "these" were those who did no deeds of kindness, but the "righteous" were those who do deeds of kindness. The warning Paul gives in 1cor. 3:5-15 is to his fellow works like Apollus. If their
(our) labor in the Kingdom of God, "the field" is the people, the assemble, we work with, teach; If our work stands the text of time and adversity, we will get a reward. But, if not, we will be saved,but as by fire. There is nothing wrong with the workers righteous life, but they taught wrong things, like "faith only" salvation, so people though they didn't need to be good, so the were lost; Because they didn't add to the faith, virtue, knowledge, self-control, perseverance, godliness, brotherly kindness,love. 2Pet.1 No fruits of righteousness= no eternal life.! love to all who live godly in Christ Jesus. Hoffco
(our) labor in the Kingdom of God, "the field" is the people, the assemble, we work with, teach; If our work stands the text of time and adversity, we will get a reward. But, if not, we will be saved,but as by fire. There is nothing wrong with the workers righteous life, but they taught wrong things, like "faith only" salvation, so people though they didn't need to be good, so the were lost; Because they didn't add to the faith, virtue, knowledge, self-control, perseverance, godliness, brotherly kindness,love. 2Pet.1 No fruits of righteousness= no eternal life.! love to all who live godly in Christ Jesus. Hoffco
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Elin, it is called "rightly dividing the work", you relate all the verses on a given subject and put them together in a systematic fashion and you arrive at God's view on the subject. You read the whole new Testament and find all the verses on "justification", and when you get done you find; a sinner is justified first by grace, then by faith and lastly by works. May God bless you in "rightly" relating the word of God. Hoffco
None can be saved by works, but one can be cast out because of evil works.
Hebrews 10:26-30, "For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. Those who rejected the Law given through Mosheh died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished, who has trampled the Son of Yahweh underfoot, and has counted the blood of the covenant (with which He was sanctified) an unholy thing, and who has insulted the Spirit of mercy? For we know Him Who has said: Vengeance is Mine; I will repay, says Yahweh. And again: Yahweh will judge His people."
Yahchanan 5:14, "Afterward, Yahshua found him in the sacred precincts and said to him: Behold, you are healed. Sin no more, or a worse thing will come upon you."
Romans 3:25, "Whom Yahweh set forth as a sacrifice of atonement by His own blood, through the faith, to declare His righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of Yahweh."
Hebrews 6:3-6, "If indeed Yahweh permits, we will now proceed to advanced teaching. For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, And the righteous, having come to
know that which is spoken by Yahweh through the Law and the Prophets, the power of Yahweh, and the world to come, If they shall fall away, it is impossible for them to be renewed to repentance again. They have rejected the Son of Yahweh, and therefore are alienated from Yahweh."
1 Corinthians 9:24-27, "Do you not know that those who run in a race all compete, but only one receives the prize? So run your race that you may lay hold of the prize, and make it yours. And everyone who competes conducts himself temperately in all things. Now they compete to obtain a perishable crown; but we for an imperishable crown. Therefore, I do not run like a man running aimlessly; I do not fight like a man who beats the air. No, I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified."
1 Corinthians 4:4-5, "For I know nothing by myself; yet by this I am not justified, for He Who judges me is Yahweh! Therefore, judge nothing before the time. Wait until Yahshua comes, Who will bring to light the things hidden in darkness, and will reveal the secret intentions of men's hearts; and then each man will receive praise from Yahweh."
Psalm 69:27-28, "Add iniquity to their iniquity! Let them not come into Your righteousness! May they be blotted out of The Book of Life, and not be written with the righteous!"
Revelation 3:5, "He who overcomes, the same will be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name from The Book of Life, but I will confess his name before My Father and before His malakim."
Yaaqob 2:19-22, "You believe that there is one Father? You do well; the demons also believe, and tremble. But are you willing to know, O vain man, that the faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Do you see that the faith worked together with his works, and by works the faith makes perfect?"
Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."
Hebrews 10:26-30, "For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. Those who rejected the Law given through Mosheh died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished, who has trampled the Son of Yahweh underfoot, and has counted the blood of the covenant (with which He was sanctified) an unholy thing, and who has insulted the Spirit of mercy? For we know Him Who has said: Vengeance is Mine; I will repay, says Yahweh. And again: Yahweh will judge His people."
Yahchanan 5:14, "Afterward, Yahshua found him in the sacred precincts and said to him: Behold, you are healed. Sin no more, or a worse thing will come upon you."
Romans 3:25, "Whom Yahweh set forth as a sacrifice of atonement by His own blood, through the faith, to declare His righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of Yahweh."
Hebrews 6:3-6, "If indeed Yahweh permits, we will now proceed to advanced teaching. For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, And the righteous, having come to
know that which is spoken by Yahweh through the Law and the Prophets, the power of Yahweh, and the world to come, If they shall fall away, it is impossible for them to be renewed to repentance again. They have rejected the Son of Yahweh, and therefore are alienated from Yahweh."
1 Corinthians 9:24-27, "Do you not know that those who run in a race all compete, but only one receives the prize? So run your race that you may lay hold of the prize, and make it yours. And everyone who competes conducts himself temperately in all things. Now they compete to obtain a perishable crown; but we for an imperishable crown. Therefore, I do not run like a man running aimlessly; I do not fight like a man who beats the air. No, I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified."
1 Corinthians 4:4-5, "For I know nothing by myself; yet by this I am not justified, for He Who judges me is Yahweh! Therefore, judge nothing before the time. Wait until Yahshua comes, Who will bring to light the things hidden in darkness, and will reveal the secret intentions of men's hearts; and then each man will receive praise from Yahweh."
Psalm 69:27-28, "Add iniquity to their iniquity! Let them not come into Your righteousness! May they be blotted out of The Book of Life, and not be written with the righteous!"
Revelation 3:5, "He who overcomes, the same will be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name from The Book of Life, but I will confess his name before My Father and before His malakim."
Yaaqob 2:19-22, "You believe that there is one Father? You do well; the demons also believe, and tremble. But are you willing to know, O vain man, that the faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Do you see that the faith worked together with his works, and by works the faith makes perfect?"
Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."
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thank again to izikyah for an other great post # 376,The preachers of false peace with and security will has a hot judgment seat of Christ, saved as by fire; But we will preach the whole truth. Many carnal christians will be left behind at the Rapture and no second chance to get saved. We must preach hell fire and brimstone to day to the apostate church. Love to all, Hoffco
No not at all, he did all seeing himself as:
Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Are we not to be this as well, dead to flesh and held alive by God's Holy Spirit? Thus the works we do are not ours, rather God's so that God gets all the credit
Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Are we not to be this as well, dead to flesh and held alive by God's Holy Spirit? Thus the works we do are not ours, rather God's so that God gets all the credit
Yes as it states just as he is righteous. How is that already righteous? Is that by Christ. already righteous by?:
Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
So therefore I practice what is already done in me by Christ, me believing God
Galatians 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
Galatians 5:24 And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts
This is all done by response to what God has already done for us through Son
Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
So therefore I practice what is already done in me by Christ, me believing God
Galatians 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
Galatians 5:24 And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts
This is all done by response to what God has already done for us through Son