God doesn't seem to really care.

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Arcynaculr

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breno785au said:
When I was an immature boy of a teenager I once believed heaven was what you wanted it to be so I thought it would be filled with women that were ready to have sex with you at your whim, with video games that had the bestest graphics that there could ever be and an ever amount of pot, alcohol and death metal.
Since receiving the spirit of God, my entire world view has changed, I see the effects of sin in people and the world, not just me that sees it but millions would see it and desire nothing that is on this earth to be in heaven. It would suck if heaven was anything like earth the way it is. I believe you want a bit of earth in heaven, because you belong to the world so you want it in heaven, those who don't belong to the world, want nothing of it...does that make sense? Maybe it never will until you surrender your life to God and receive His spirit, then it will eventually become clear, until then your stuck with your own limited understanding.
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Sounds good, except for the pot n alcohol (cuz i dont do that stuff) haha

But no, seriously, my idea of what "heaven" should be is alot more complicated than that.

But alot of stuff from this world is awesome. but alot of stuff from this world sucks too. the simplest way to say it is my heaven would have all the stuff i think is awesome from this world and all the stuff i think is awesome from fiction. plus my own unique ideas and creations.

But going into the complete details would take a whole book to explain...
 
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homwardbound said:
Thoughts get cemented in by and through experiences, and the emotions from those thoughts take over and we become kidnapped.
Do you think this might be possible here when you say you can't help it?
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Yea, i guess...
 
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homwardbound said:
So do you know what is best? Can you predict future? I came to the conclusion I can't and had many unrealistic expectations, and got depressed many a times. So I decided to trust the creator of all, and have not been disappointed since, even though tragedies still happened, but by trust I lived through them without depression that I had.
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Well i most likely know whats best for me personally.
 
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RickyZ said:
Very interesting. How would you design 'heaven'? And do you know that we don't actually go to 'heaven'?
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The simplest way to say it is my heaven would have all the stuff i think is awesome from this world and all the stuff i think is awesome from fiction. plus my own unique ideas and creations.

But going into the complete details would take a whole book to explain.

And well the bible says we go to either heaven or hell, right?
 
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Arcynaculr said:
The simplest way to say it is my heaven would have all the stuff i think is awesome from this world and all the stuff i think is awesome from fiction. plus my own unique ideas and creations.

But going into the complete details would take a whole book to explain.

And well the bible says we go to either heaven or hell, right?
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What if there were things more awesome than what your imagination can come up with? Would you want to miss out on great things just because you never thought of them?

Heaven is a fallacy. We are caught up into 'the heavens' when Christ returns, but then return to this world with Him while He rules for 1000 years (bringing an end to this current world system and ushering in His system). At the end of that we are again caught up before God's throne, but then we are transported to a new earth and creation, which will operate under God's system eternally.

That idea of spending eternity playing harps in the clouds? It's pure fiction.
 
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RickyZ said:
What if there were things more awesome than what your imagination can come up with? Would you want to miss out on great things just because you never thought of them?

Heaven is a fallacy. We are caught up into 'the heavens' when Christ returns, but then return to this world with Him while He rules for 1000 years (bringing an end to this current world system and ushering in His system). At the end of that we are again caught up before God's throne, but then we are transported to a new earth and creation, which will operate under God's system eternally.

That idea of spending eternity playing harps in the clouds? It's pure fiction.
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Well if i can't discover it and/or think about it in this life, then no i don't really care to experience it. and since i dont even know about it, i wont really be missing out.

And well, its basically just a temporary earthly heaven and then a permanent earthly heaven.

If someone could describe exactly what is gonna be so great about the new earth... then i mite actually be intetested... but all anyone says is "its gonna be awesome and amazing and more than you can possibly imagine" ... Umm. ok well thats not very descriptive...
 
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Fair enough on the not very discriptive part, for a look at the millenium conditions go to http://christianchat.com/blogs/rickyz/250-6-what-will-millennium-like.html. I'll have to work something up for you to descibe the new earth and heavens but it'll be very similar to the millenium earth.

And really, you have no interest in experiencing awesome things you don't know about, just because you don't know about them? Sounds like you're really limiting yourself, in both this life and the next. Isn't that a part of life, discovering new things you knew nothing of? If you miss out on something because of ignorance, you're still missing out on it, whether you acknowlege it or not.
 
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RickyZ said:
Fair enough on the not very discriptive part, for a look at the millenium conditions go to http://christianchat.com/blogs/rickyz/250-6-what-will-millennium-like.html. I'll have to work something up for you to descibe the new earth and heavens but it'll be very similar to the millenium earth.

And really, you have no interest in experiencing awesome things you don't know about, just because you don't know about them? Sounds like you're really limiting yourself, in both this life and the next. Isn't that a part of life, discovering new things you knew nothing of? If you miss out on something because of ignorance, you're still missing out on it, whether you acknowlege it or not.
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Didn't mean for it to sound that way. I love trying and discovering new things. im always on the look out for new experiences/discoveries. but if i have to die or cut off my arm as the price for experiencing/discovering something new... then no thanks, i'll pass.
 
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Arcynaculr said:
Didn't mean for it to sound that way. I love trying and discovering new things. im always on the look out for new experiences/discoveries. but if i have to die or cut off my arm as the price for experiencing/discovering something new... then no thanks, i'll pass.
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Especially if there is a high probability that this new thing does not even exist and/or there is no reliable descriptions of what it is like.

Dying or losing an arm for such a slim chance and prevalent obscureness is just not worth the risk.
 
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Arcynaculr said:
Didn't mean for it to sound that way. I love trying and discovering new things. im always on the look out for new experiences/discoveries. but if i have to die or cut off my arm as the price for experiencing/discovering something new... then no thanks, i'll pass.
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Sometimes an arm or a life is the cost of experience and discovery. I've always been an explorer, a discoverer; been to some of the most remote places on the planet, been to some of the most hostile places places on the planet, done some of the most outrageous stuff... but I've always known the arm and the life were part of the gamble. And I've paid the price, parts of me no longer work the way they should. But the things I've discovered, the things I've experienced that I didn't know were possible before, were worth the scars it took to explore them.

It's the same thing in the spiritual realm. You don't know what's out there until you explore it, and there's a potential price to be paid for that. God wanted people who freely love Him; the only way He could have that is if we have the power to not love Him. It's the ying and the yang, you can't have one without the other. Good has to have a bad, light has to have a dark, a plan has to have a counter-plan. Or in this case, a multitude of them. Or else it's mindless robot time, and you've at least conceded that you don't want that. It's not mindless robot time, God built this universe - including the spiritual realm - with the intention we explore it, we discover it, we learn of it. But just remember that, in this corrupt system, there are dangerous valleys that go along with the lofty peaks.

Let's explore something here - If God could do one thing for you that would gain Him some street cred, what would that be?
 
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RickyZ said:
Sometimes an arm or a life is the cost of experience and discovery. I've always been an explorer, a discoverer; been to some of the most remote places on the planet, been to some of the most hostile places places on the planet, done some of the most outrageous stuff... but I've always known the arm and the life were part of the gamble. And I've paid the price, parts of me no longer work the way they should. But the things I've discovered, the things I've experienced that I didn't know were possible before, were worth the scars it took to explore them.

It's the same thing in the spiritual realm. You don't know what's out there until you explore it, and there's a potential price to be paid for that. God wanted people who freely love Him; the only way He could have that is if we have the power to not love Him. It's the ying and the yang, you can't have one without the other. Good has to have a bad, light has to have a dark, a plan has to have a counter-plan. Or in this case, a multitude of them. Or else it's mindless robot time, and you've at least conceded that you don't want that. It's not mindless robot time, God built this universe - including the spiritual realm - with the intention we explore it, we discover it, we learn of it. But just remember that, in this corrupt system, there are dangerous valleys that go along with the lofty peaks.

Let's explore something here - If God could do one thing for you that would gain Him some street cred, what would that be?
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Well, if he could guarantee me an eternal life in an eternal world that is exactly how i want it to be... that'd be nice.
 
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Arcynaculr said:
Well, if he could guarantee me an eternal life in an eternal world that is exactly how i want it to be... that'd be nice.
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Well great, because He does. Question is, will you turn it down?
 
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Taking into account that which you do not know, yes it is. We humans were made for a specific environment, one which we unfortunately don't get to enjoy at this moment. 90% of what we are and were meant to be is missing, that's why we all feel so out of place here. Once that is restored, we'll find that it is indeed everything we ever hoped it would be - and more.

So yes, heaven will be according to your plan - a plan that you would make if you only had access to the now-missing pieces.
 
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RickyZ said:
Taking into account that which you do not know, yes it is. We humans were made for a specific environment, one which we unfortunately don't get to enjoy at this moment. 90% of what we are and were meant to be is missing, that's why we all feel so out of place here. Once that is restored, we'll find that it is indeed everything we ever hoped it would be - and more.

So yes, heaven will be according to your plan - a plan that you would make if you only had access to the now-missing pieces.
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Eh... highly doubtful. you cant predict what i would do. im not a machine.
 
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Arcynaculr said:
Eh... highly doubtful. you cant predict what i would do. I'm not a machine.
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No but given ALL the information there's a high likelihood of guessing what you might do. Humanity was meant to live in an entirely different environment, and a literal lifetime of corruption has brought us to where we are today - dazed and confused. We can't make appropriate plans when we're dazed and confused, we're unreliable as to what's best for us because we really have no idea what exactly is out there that could be best for us. Making completed plans on incomplete information is foolish, my friend.

My experience, and I've had a lot, is that the next world won't really be that much different than this one. There will be nations and commerce and exploration and most all the things we have now - PLUS the 90% of things we don't. The main huge deciding difference is how it evolves. This world this system evolved under corruption. Can you imagine what this world would be like if it had evolved under God's plan? That plan was for us to call the shots (and don't think for a minute we do that today). That's what we're lookin' at in the next life. The Messiah's role wasn't to change things, but to restore them. And God's deal with Adam was, 'I'll walk with you, talk with you, lend you an ear and give you advice, but what happens here is up to you'. Whe Adam gave that authority away, God couldn't take it back because He didn't want it, that wasn't His intention. His intention was for man to have authority, and that's why God had to come as a man to restore it.
 
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