Cowards who Murder with Guns: Updated Often

[AgeofKnowledge]

I never said for how long I was going to place you on ignore. That's my decision to make not yours. It's not my fault that you never bothered to ask.

Now look at you. You've resorted to personally attacking my character because I disagreed with your false assertion that trusting God means one can never arm themselves under any circumstances whatsoever or they will not be trusting God.

Where's the integrity in that Rachel20. Pull the log out of your own eye honey because you've gotten it twisted.

OH WOW. Mr. AOK, Last time I remembered I had some questions about integrity, and was put on the ignore list of yours.


Clearly, the truth is hard to ignore (and consistent)

 

[Praus]

OH WOW. Mr. AOK, Last time I remembered I had some questions about integrity, and was put on the ignore list of yours.

Clearly, the truth is hard to ignore (and consistent)

The integrity questions are answered: integrity is a joke.

Ask yourself, would Chuck Norris eat quiche? Hint, the correct answer is NO!

OH NO!!! LOL!

Praus, went and found that. Too funny.

 

[doulos]

Wow since when has discussing facts concerning firearms become glorifying guns? Looks like the trolls have once again resorted to mockery and false allegations. Why is that? Sad very sad. Maybe one of the trolls would show which post is supposedly glorifying the use of firearms!

 

[Rachel20]

I never said for how long I was going to place you on ignore. That's my decision to make not yours. It's not my fault that you never bothered to ask.

Now look at you. You've resorted to personally attacking my character because I disagreed with your false assertion that trusting God means one can never arm themselves under any circumstances whatsoever or they will not be trusting God.

Where's the integrity in that Rachel20. Pull the log out of your own eye honey because you've gotten it twisted.

Well,

Of course I am not going to bother asking someone who ignores on a whim, when he can't defend his integrity, whether I am still on his ignore list.

Anycase I don't recall having resorted to lies. On the false assertion you claim, that was not my words. I spoke of my refusal to carry a gun, which was my personal conviction. I clearly said I did not condemn anyone who did carry a gun.

Clearly, I don't even need to "attack" your character when you place it on full display here.



Proverbs 6:16-19

There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

"Ridicule is the first and last argument of a fool." -Charles Simmons

Wow since when has discussing facts concerning firearms become glorifying guns? Looks like the trolls have once again resorted to mockery and false allegations. Why is that? Sad very sad. Maybe one of the trolls would show which post is supposedly glorifying the use of firearms!

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

And look, you're still doing it even after it was brought to your attention. When you resort to repeatedly attacking the character and integrity of others as a form of ad hominem argumentation in the middle of a discussion on a topic, something I see you do callously and easily: it reveals that you have a personality flaw with your own character and integrity.

Ultimately, that's your problem Rachel20 not mine even though you project it at me.

That aside, I don't have a problem with you having a personal conviction against carrying a firearm.

I'm sharing my own views on the subject. Is that alright with you?

Well,

Of course I am not going to bother asking someone who ignores on a whim, when he can't defend his integrity, whether I am still on his ignore list.

Anycase I don't recall having resorted to lies. On the false assertion you claim, that was not my words. I spoke of my refusal to carry a gun, which was my personal conviction. I clearly said I did not condemn anyone who did carry a gun.

Clearly, I don't even need to "attack" your character when you place it on full display here.



Proverbs 6:16-19

There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers.

 

[Rachel20]

Wow since when has discussing facts concerning firearms become glorifying guns? Looks like the trolls have once again resorted to mockery and false allegations. Why is that? Sad very sad. Maybe one of the trolls would show which post is supposedly glorifying the use of firearms!

I suppose calling other people trolls is not mockery and false allegation.

I am sure even writing about people's deaths wouldn't fall under the category of a threat.

No one needs to show you any posts on glorification of guns. However if you wish, there's another thread on this forum itself, which is dedicated to the defensive usage and positive benefits of guns.

You can happily view those at your leisure.

Click here for the Glorification of Guns

 

[Rachel20]

And look, you're still doing it even after it was brought to your attention. When you resort to repeatedly attacking the character and integrity of others as a form of ad hominem argumentation in the middle of a discussion on a topic, something I see you do callously and easily: it reveals that you have a personality flaw with your own character and integrity.

Ultimately, that's your problem Rachel20 not mine even though you project it at me.

That aside, I don't have a problem with you having a personal conviction against carrying a firearm.

I'm sharing my own views on the subject. Is that alright with you?

If calling out people on their lies and falseness is a character flaw and itself an integrity issue, you might have to take it up with God and ask how He feels about it.

Lying to the Holy Spirit, is not a joke.

Proverbs 19:9
A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies will perish.

Psalm 101:7
No one who practices deceit shall dwell in my house; no one who utters lies shall continue before my eyes.


Of course, I have never stopped you from sharing your views. Keep in mind that the thread topic is about cowards who murder with guns.

 

[Praus]

"Ridicule is the first and last argument of a fool." -Charles Simmons

As a Christian I think that the opinion of some novelist doesn't compare to the Bible--so do you have a verse stating that the prophet Elijah was a fool?

1 Kings 18:26-27 ... and called on the name of Baal from morning even until noon, saying, O Baal, hear us. But [there was] no voice, nor any that answered. ... And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said, Cry aloud: for he [is] a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, [or] peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked.

 

[Praus]

That aside, I don't have a problem with you having a personal conviction against carrying a firearm.

I'm sharing my own views on the subject.

The subject of this thread:

We'll update this often with stories about cowardly people who murder their neighbours using advanced 21st century technology (weapons).

Security Footage Shows Florida ‘Stand Your Ground’ Theater Shooter Is A Cold-Blooded Murderer (Video) | Americans Against the Tea Party

Is that alright with you?

American adults score below average on worldwide test measuring math, reading and problem-solving. United States scored lower than Japan, Canada, Australia and Finland in all three areas.

 

[lil_christian]

We'll update this often with stories about cowardly people who murder their neighbours using advanced 21st century technology (weapons).

Security Footage Shows Florida ‘Stand Your Ground’ Theater Shooter Is A Cold-Blooded Murderer (Video) | Americans Against the Tea Party

...............

 

[doulos]

I suppose calling other people trolls is not mockery and false allegation.

In Internet slang, a troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people,[1] by posting inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog), either accidentally[3][4] or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[5] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[6]
Source Troll (Internet) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


A realistic, reasonable person who uses just a smidgeon of common sense will realize that taking guns away from law abiding citizens only makes them sitting ducks for both criminals and tyrranical governments. A realistic, reasonable person who uses just a smidgeon of common sense will realize that even if you do take guns away from law abiding citizens, criminals will still find away to either make their own firearms or purchase them on the black market. It does not take a rocket scientist to recognize the intent of David_1’s original post is only trying to be argumentive and villanize those of us who support the legitamate use of firearms by law abiding citizens.That my friend is being a troll. Yours and Praus’ input have not added anything productive to the discussion, but only mockery and insults against those who disagree with the original post. Once again that is being a troll. Stating a fact by calling a troll a troll is not a false allegation. Calling people trolls is not mockery when those people are in fact trolls. So if you don’t like being labeled as a troll, then quit behaving like a troll and then people will have no reason to label you as one.

I am sure even writing about people's deaths wouldn't fall under the category of a threat.

It isn’t my fault that YOU are not capable of understanding the difference between an anology and a threat. May I suggest you return to the other thread and review the definitions (quoted from a dictionary) of an anology and threat.

No one needs to show you any posts on glorification of guns. However if you wish, there's another thread on this forum itself, which is dedicated to the defensive usage and positive benefits of guns.

You can happily view those at your leisure.

Click here for the Glorification of Guns

That thread does not glorify guns but instead shows that firearms when in the hands of law abiding people can be an effective deterrent against crime.

Full Definition of GLORIFY
1a: to make glorious by bestowing honor, praise, or admiration
b: to elevate to celestial glory

2: to light up brilliantly

3a: to represent as glorious : extol <a song glorifying romantic love>
b: to cause to be or seem to be better than the actual condition <the new position is just a glorified version of the old stockroom job>

4: to give glory to (as in worship)

— glo·ri·fi·ca·tion noun

— glo·ri·fi·er noun

After reviewing and gaining an understanding of the definition of glorifying please provide the post# in the thread you link to that shows where someone is glorifying guns.

My friend there is nothing glorious about having to use a firearm to defend others or yourself. I’ve been in that position and I gaurantee there is nothing glorious about it. But I guarantee that the three kids who I saved from a criminal gang of teenagers was glad I had the courage it took to come to their aid when those 20 or so teenage criminals were beating them with baseball bats, pipes etc…. Both the kids and the local police department said had someone not brought the violence to a stop there would have been three dead kids. As it is one of the kids wound up in a wheel chair permanently. Another had to have numerous surgeries to reconstruct his face and has permanent brain damage. Miraculously the third made a full recovery with only minor scars to show from the incedent. So how did I stop the violence. First I told them to break it up that the police were on the way. They ignored me so I pulled my revolver out of my pocket fired one round into the ground. That got their attention. The leader of the gang then yelled let’s get him he doesn’t have enough bullets to get us all. I responded by pointing my revolver at him and said “your right but I do have enough bullets to get you first and a few of your friends.” He immediately turned and fled with the rest of the gang right behind him. Approximately 15 or 20 minutes later the police and ambulance arrived. No it wasn’t glorious, nor do I glorify firearms, but I do recognize that in today’s society a firearm can be an effective tool against crime when used properly. No they aren’t for everyone, and probably would not be a good choice for you because of your stance. But that does not give you, David_1, or Praus the right to try to advocate taking my God given right to defend others or myself away from me. I won’t even go into the legitimate use of firearms concerning hunters who donate the meat from deer to the poor in the area I live in. Many local meat processors will process the deer for free if the meat is donated to local food banks. I am sure the recipients of that meat are quite thankful!

Enough said reply if you must just don’t be surprised if I choose not to waste my time replying to you.

 

[SonInMe]

Gun bans define those who are in favor of them as trusting the government more than God.

1 Samuel 8:10-20. God is not a huge fan of governments.

If a ''babysitter'' does not secure her gun so a young kid cannot play with it she should be charged with murder. That is inexcusable.

I don't have a gun because I do not want the responsibility.

If there should be a ban on guns I would ban all liberals from having one. It would greatly limit crime and liberals are not known for their personal responsibility.

Just another fyi for the ill informed liberal......republicans are not necessarily conservative but Tea Party members do tend to be. Republicans not liking the Tea Party proves how far the republican party has gone to the left ( incredibly to be more popular but liberals still hate them anyways...idiots )

 

[JimJimmers]

I think this is unfair to David_1, in all honesty. He wants a thread devoted to cowards who murder with guns. I don't think you should derail it in this way. Unless he breaks the rules of the site, he has the right to not be drowned out. I realize he is being intentionally disruptive, but he started the thread.

 

[1still_waters]

Hey folks, if he wants to make a thread to document reoccurring stories of folks misusing guns, let him have the thread. Feel free to make a thread and discuss the proper use or misuse of guns.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

I'm just responding to a thread I saw on the forum. It's not my fault that Rachel and Praus became offended to the point they derailed the thread to begin personally attacking those who disagree with what I believe ultimately the thread's intent really is which is that removal of guns from the law abiding public through gun control laws will decrease murders from occurring. I believe the evidence shows it will increase murders as criminals illegally arm themselves in an unarmed population unable to do anything about it as occurred in nations like Mexico.

When they make the choice to fabricate personal attacks and spew that bile at others, instead of discussing, that's a reflection of what's inside them not those they spew bile at which is why it has very little effect on me. The real problem is that behavior is bad for any forum.

Look at this: Homemade Gun Manuals, Gun Building Books, Firearm Making Video

Any criminal can make a workable reloadable 12 gauge shotgun with nothing more than a few items from your local hardware store. Gun control. What a joke.

Hey folks, if he wants to make a thread to document reoccurring stories of folks misusing guns, let him have the thread. You're more than willing to make a thread and discuss the proper use or misuse of guns.

 

[doulos]

I think this is unfair to David_1, in all honesty. He wants a thread devoted to cowards who murder with guns. I don't think you should derail it in this way. Unless he breaks the rules of the site, he has the right to not be drowned out. I realize he is being intentionally disruptive, but he started the thread.

Yes he is being disruptive. So how do we determine which murderers that use firearms are cowards? I haven’t really met too many excops that are cowards, so even the original post is most likely off topic.

Hey folks, if he wants to make a thread to document reoccurring stories of folks misusing guns, let him have the thread. You're more than willing to make a thread and discuss the proper use or misuse of guns.

But the thread isn’t about just any one who misuses firearms, but cowards that misuse them as the thread title suggests. I doubt if the excop that used a firearm in the original post was a coward, instead he was probably a brave person (most cops and excops are) that did not fully understand Floridas stand your ground law (remember he has been retired for quite a while and the stand your ground laws are fairly new) and as a result made a very poor decision that resulted in murder which is most certainly a tragedy. So in my opinion the title of the thread is very misleading. Based on the numerous cops and excops I’ve know over the years I’d say most were quite courageous. Not all murderers are cowards , being evil doesn't equate to cowardice. So how do we determine which murderers fit the thread. Maybe the thread should be retitled those who misuse firearms to commit murder.

As for me, I'll respect your wishes and bow out. After all the thread has already proven it is nothing more then an exercise in futility.

 

[Praus]

It's not my fault that Rachel and Praus became offended to the point they derailed their own thread to begin

Reading comprehension skills would tell you that this isn't Praus or Rachel20's thread.

We'll update this often with stories about cowardly people who murder their neighbours using advanced 21st century technology (weapons).

Security Footage Shows Florida ‘Stand Your Ground’ Theater Shooter Is A Cold-Blooded Murderer (Video) | Americans Against the Tea Party

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

I already responded to your ad hominem. If I put someone on ignore, I get to determine for how long. There is no lack of integrity on me making the decision for how long I choose to put someone on ignore. Also, if I choose to leave a thread because someone has begun attacking me instead of discussing, as you do repeatedly, that only reveals I am withdrawing from someone who lacks the integrity to even have the discussion. Your ongoing personal attacks against me that have zero to do with the discussions do reveal that you lack integrity. ultimately, that is your problem even though you project it at me. EOM.

OH WOW. Mr. AOK, Last time I remembered I had some questions about integrity, and was put on the ignore list of yours.


Clearly, the truth is hard to ignore (and consistent)

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Check out this 2007 study published in the liberal Harvard’s Journal of Public Law and Policy which shows that banning guns doesn't reduce the level of violence or the number of murders and suicides:

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf

Here's the narrative of the study if you don't want to read it in it's entirety:

Harvard Gun Study Claims Banning Weapons Doesn't Decrease Violence