Yep, no matter what there are consequences to not obeying Laws of the land as well
What Laws are still valid to christians
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Yep, no matter what there are consequences to not obeying Laws of the land as well
The two Laws of Love are the fulfillment of it all period. That is what is written on the hearts, the new hearts of the believers, from God the Father through the Son. A free gift to those that believe God, and then
2 Corinthians 9:8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:
That is right God's Love shown through Christ to us never fails
2 Corinthians 9:8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:
I never said I am an universalist, that is your interpretation, I only said I believe God and by belief
2 Corinthians 9:8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:
God just loving you is where the new life in God starts:
Romans 5:6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Romans 8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
Romans 14:9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
2 Corinthians 5:14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:
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Koreo1935
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Galations 5:18 " If you are lead by the Spirit, you are not under the Law" meaning if the holy spirit causes you to do something righteously, you don't have to worry about following the law. im not saying that the holy spirit will make you do something that is not of God, but the law (the Law that Moses wrote for the israelites) isnt applied to the people of Jesus that have more spiritual connection with God and and can directly instruct his people the way He sees fit (through His holy spirit).
1 Timothy 1:8-11 " We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. 9 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine 11 that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me." If you were truly lead by the Spirit, you wouldn't be able to do any of these bad things.
I hope this helps. god bless
1 Timothy 1:8-11 " We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. 9 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine 11 that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me." If you were truly lead by the Spirit, you wouldn't be able to do any of these bad things.
I hope this helps. god bless
If you were truly lead by the Spirit, you wouldn't be able to do any of these bad things.
I hope this helps. god bless
Yeah, poor ole Paul, I guess he just wasn't led by the Spirit...
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Maybe some of you "spiritual" types can instruct him in the resurrection.
Maybe you miss read what Paul was conveying. He was not conveying this as he was still caught up in the Flesh. Rather how we can't perform in the flesh and need the hidden man of our heart to follow. Foe he is clear that with the Holy Spirit ( the hidden man of his heart) he serves God perfectly
So the instruction is to put no confidence in the flesh, and consider it dead as it starts out with the allegory of a married woman if husband dead she is freed and can marry another
Anyway, I see you as not seeing what Paul was trying to convey to us
All in love to you. Something to think on or not your choice
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Hoffco
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I think what Koreo1935 is true in the narrow, strictest sense of his words. We can not sin if we are always open,lead, to God's way to escape. But in the absolute sense he is wrong. We all still have a sinful nature that can sin. When we follow the Spirit we can not sin and no one can lead us into sin, unless we let them. I see this as my problem, I let people lead me to sin, but I don't have to sin, if I obey the Spirit, I won't sin. In a "strict sense. "the law is not make for the righteous person" we don't need the laws to make us holy. we are holy in heart soul and mind by the new birth. We are and are being renewed in the spirit of our mind. 1 tim.1:8-11 and Eph.4:23. Love to all. Hoffco
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kennethcadwell
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It is amazing how many people believe that if you have received the Holy Spirit you will not sin no more. Even Paul says that he still does things that he should not, and he did receive the Holy Spirit. Remember you can not say he was speaking in past terms because he stated that he did these still after he received the Holy Spirit. Before he received the Holy Spirit he was known as Saul, he did not start going by Paul tell after he was baptized.
And if he did not then we as people would worship him not God, and is why God's grace is sufficient for him, you and you and you as well. To try to be perfect in and of the flesh is ignorance on my part, your part and all peoples part.
Re read Matthew, Mark, Luke and John all of them before the cross and see if you are not annihilated as to be perfect in and of trying to be?
The disciples were convinced no way to make it to Heaven under trying to be good, following as they saw that rich man walk away sad, who said he obeyed the Law from Birth on, but could not give up this worlds possessions. Read it Matt. 19, where the disciples then finally asked how is it possible to make it to heaven.
Christ replied IMPOSSIBLE with man, POSSIBLE with God though.
So was he talking about him going to the cross and through the resurrection this is made possible, a gift to us from God, new life today in the Spirit of God where no sin can occur?
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cfultz3
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Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then with the mind I myself serve the Law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.
Rom 8:13 For if you live according to the flesh, you shall die. But if you through the Spirit mortify the deeds of the body, you shall live.
Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
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Hoffco
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Homwardbound , Please read Jesus a little more carefully, Jesus said. "those who do good come to a resurrection of life, but those who do evil comes to a resurrection of condemnation" Jesus said to his disciples, because you have forsaken all, in the "regeneration, (the 1,000 rule of Jesus) you will sit on 12 thrones judging the 12 tribes of Israel" that is the reward of faithfulness, eternal life and blessings "to boot". Love to all Hoffco
Love you Doug, my name is Howard. We are growing in the understanding of God's love, and to me it is overwhelming, to forsake flesh and be alive in the Spirit daily, being in unredeemed bodies that is
The law of Faith is what "I" am in listening to the hidden man of my heart, new heart given to me by Father through Son's finished work at the cross
What an amazing gift, it overwhelms me in appreciation
What an amazing gift, it overwhelms me in appreciation
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Hoffco
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homward,n I hope and pray you are a good mab full of good works; Because with out faith and good works ,you will be lost for ever, Love Hoffco
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cfultz3
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Hoffco, My Brother,
Homeward Bound has his good works in conjunction with the Spirit. He is a good man of faith.
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Hoffco
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It must grieve you pure spirits 0f "faith only" to hear the apostle Paul say, "These things command and teach. Let no one despise your youth, but be an example to the believers in word , in conduct, in love, in spirit, in faith, in purity, Till I come, give attention to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine. Do not neglect the gift that is in you, which was given to you by prophecy with the laying on the hands of the eldership. Meditate on these thins; give yourself entirely to them, that your progress may be evident t all. Take heed to yourself and to the doctrine. Continue in them, for in doing this you will save both yourself and those who hear you.. 1Tim.4:16 Love to all, Hoffco
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Hoffco
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To all you "faith only" perfect spirits only, no sins of the flesh, all done by Jesus only, living thru me; your passivity of not tring to obey the commands of God, because if I try to obey the law, the law only stirs up sin, so why obey God's laws, just live by "faith only" and let Jesus do all the work for me. Just "let go and let God do it all'. ARE YOU this type of a Christian,? Then I'm talking to you. If you are the normal God fearing, holy living, commandment keeping, God loving, brethren loving by keeping the commandments ,kind of a Christian, then I am not talking to you.! God knows who are His, and we who are His MOST depart from sin. Jesus is the "sourse of eternal life to all those who OBEY HIM." Heb.5:9 The new Birth makes us holy in heart soul and mind :but in contrast, Justification declares us holy in the court room of Heaven, but never touches our soul, heart, mind nor gives us one ounce of power to live a holy life. I am not God, ask God whose child you are. For us to be of the Spirit we must be full of God's word and walking in its light. Those who obey God are born of God and those you believe God are forgiven . Only those who believe and obey God, Jesus, are going to Heaven. Love to all Hoffco