Is the right baptism necessary for salvation?

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Josh321

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he that believes shall not perish but have eternal life, there is therefore no condemnation for those in christ...

[h=3]John 5:24[/h]King James Version (KJV)

24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.




soooo wait let me get this straight there is 2 kinds of Eternal life? i thought eternal means forever and these scriptures clearly say eternal life, God does not lie, he would said you have a chance at eternal life but that is not in the scriptures, if you want to deny it gonna have to Go against all of these scriptures, the MOST important thing is... how do we know we have Christ? that is what we have to worry about, there is many that say they have receive Christ but as you see in the scriptures they were wise and foolish virgins the foolish ones believe that they had it, but they did not, so that is what we have to worry about
 
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Josh321 said:
he that believes shall not perish but have eternal life, there is therefore no condemnation for those in christ...

John 5:24

King James Version (KJV)

24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.




soooo wait let me get this straight there is 2 kinds of Eternal life? i thought eternal means forever and these scriptures clearly say eternal life, God does not lie, he would said you have a chance at eternal life but that is not in the scriptures, if you want to deny it gonna have to Go against all of these scriptures, the MOST important thing is... how do we know we have Christ? that is what we have to worry about, there is many that say they have receive Christ but as you see in the scriptures they were wise and foolish virgins the foolish ones believe that they had it, but they did not, so that is what we have to worry about
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A great promise! This great promise has nothing to do with baptism, which is a symbol.

Romans 8.38-39
 
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Here is the one thing that none of you that accepts "once saved always saved" understands. It is absolutely true that no one can take that away from you. It is absolutely true that God never lies. He won't take something He has given or promised.
You, and you alone, have the ability, as your own free moral agent, to reject, refuse, or give back a gift. If you step outside of God's rule then YOU are the one that is in error. Nowhere, ever, at any place in the bible, does it say you cannot refuse God's gift. Many, many times we are told and warned to be cautious and heed the devils wiles. Why would that be necessary if it is impossible to fail? Why? Answer me that.
 
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Wow! Have you ever been to a united pentecostal church? Lol like I had to ask. Sorry but you have bought into a cultish theology. Denying the trinity, saying that jesus is the father, saying you must speak in tongues. All heresy
 
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phil112

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Reformedjason said:
Wow! Have you ever been to a united pentecostal church? Lol like I had to ask. Sorry but you have bought into a cultish theology. Denying the trinity, saying that jesus is the father, saying you must speak in tongues. All heresy
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Who are you talking to?
 
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It was a reply to the op.
 
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witchcraft can be seen in a lot of peoples posts, how can i see that, because that is the life Christ Jesus brought me out of. i use to wonder why i was placed in a family of witches in the first place. now i can see that is was a way of showing me so i wouldn't fall for it. satan is so subtle and he has fooled me before, so i do my best not to be fooled again, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. When people try making me feel ignorant and stupid today, i Praise Yahweh for showing me truth, and all the goofy statements like, i hope you see some day, i'm praying that you can see what i see, i love you and don't want you be lost, is a bunch of hogwash and i don't buy into it. Thanking Yahweh for those of you that have helped me in my quest to know the Almighty more each and every day.
 
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phil112 said:
Here is the one thing that none of you that accepts "once saved always saved" understands. It is absolutely true that no one can take that away from you. It is absolutely true that God never lies. He won't take something He has given or promised.
You, and you alone, have the ability, as your own free moral agent, to reject, refuse, or give back a gift. If you step outside of God's rule then YOU are the one that is in error. Nowhere, ever, at any place in the bible, does it say you cannot refuse God's gift. Many, many times we are told and warned to be cautious and heed the devils wiles. Why would that be necessary if it is impossible to fail? Why? Answer me that.
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Through the death, burial and resurrection of Christ, He has not only been judged for our sin but has put them away never to be imputed or remembered any more. Can the sins that I have been forgiven and cleansed of through redemption and having been put away, ever be taken back by me? Can I recover any of my sin that Christ crucified and buried in the grave? Can I refuse God's very own act of imputing of my sin to His Son on the cross and do away with that imputation when I had nothing to do with my sins being imputed to Christ?

2 Cor 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

It was God [personally present] in Christ, reconciling and restoring the world to favor with Himself, not counting up and holding against [men] their trespasses [but cancelling them], and committing to us the message of reconciliation (of the restoration to favor).

No one can do away with the fact of what God did in His Son when He was reconciling the world unto himself by not imputing their trespasses unto them. If God held us responsible for our trespasses and the removal of them we would have no chance at reconciliation with Him. He knew that was not possible with man so He sent His Son and did it for man through His own Son. We must believe that by faith and trust that God did that for us so that we can be reconciled to Him. It is God's work and we believe that work by faith and God imputes that righteousness unto us through faith in His Son and that is the gift of God that is imputed unto us that we can not forfeit or give back because it was imputed.
 
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Reformedjason said:
Wow! Have you ever been to a united pentecostal church? Lol like I had to ask. Sorry but you have bought into a cultish theology. Denying the trinity, saying that jesus is the father, saying you must speak in tongues. All heresy
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.. i never said you have to speak in tongues as a sigh of salvation some may speak in tongues after receiving the holy spirit, but it's just a gift of the holy spirit others receive different gifts
 
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.. i never said you have to speak in tongues as a sigh of salvation some may speak in tongues after receiving the holy spirit, but it's just a gift of the holy spirit others receive different gifts
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Ok I retract that part of the statement. The other parts I stand by. I have heard this stuff many times. Jesus is God the son not the Father or the spirit. All God but distinct in person.
 
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Ok I retract that part of the statement. The other parts I stand by. I have heard this stuff many times. Jesus is God the son not the Father or the spirit. All God but distinct in person.
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your standing on what you think, i'm standing on the word of God, Jesus was the sanctuary of God, God was within Jesus reconciling the world to himself

[h=3]1 Timothy 3:16[/h]King James Version (KJV)

16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
 
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The blood of Jesus Christ is the only thing necessary for salvation, not baptism or a host of many false teachings! "Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus." Rom 3:24-26

Don't trust man or popular opinion, trust only the Bible. Trust in the death burial and resurrection of Jesus....It is ONLY by His blood your sins can be washed("...washed us from our sins in his own blood" Rev 1:5b), not by the waters of baptism!
 
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Josh321 said:
interesting thread brother, but not every single person receives the gift of speaking in tongues, remember it's just a gift of the Spirit, they are some who receive the gift of interpretation, if everyone receives the gift of tongues who will interpret it?
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The purpose of the thread was to show more than one mode of tongues:

1. gift of the spirit (1Corinthians)
2. by intercession (Romans)
3. upon first receiving the Holy Spirit (Acts)

Albeit, many only see 1Corinthians, and seem to ignore the other two.
 
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For Jesus to have meant that the water was of Physical Birth, would be a redundant statement such as I would say "Nicodemous, you must first be born from your mother's womb, so that you may grow up and stand before me so that I may say to you that you must first be born of your mother's womb."
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Not true. Nicodemous starting the argument, Jesus was just answering his question, "Must I return to my mothers womb?" He was explaining what he meant.

Also. In Context. Ye must be born AGAIN.

That which is flesh (physical birth, or born of water) is flesh. (first birth) But that which is spirit is spirit. Born spiritually (2nd birth)

We can see the redundancy of such a scenario to whom was the religious leader of that day. Clearly scripture supports beyond a shadow of doubt that water = water baptism.

Jesus said in Matthew 16:24, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

If we are to take up our cross and follow Jesus we would have to do what he did. We would have to symbolize his death, burial, and resurrection.

1. Repent = death
2. Be water baptized = burial
3. Receive Holy Spirit = resurrection


Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
[4] Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
[5] For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
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Baptize is a verb. The baptize is the action. Death is the object of what the verb is.

Why would Paul said we must be baptised in water (your interpretation) in his death. You do not put two subjects in a sentence.

Just because the word is used, and MOST people associate it with water. does not mean it is always water. Paul told us what we were baptised into. It was his death. NOT WATER. And God is the one who baptises us into this death and burial.

Why do people want to give man credit for the work of God?? In fact, it is dangerous. The pharisees tried to give credit to satan for the work of the HS in the miracles jesus did. Jesus called it blasphemy of the spirit and said it would not be forgiven.

Give credit to God.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
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sorry, the greek does not fit. Study this in the greek and you will see this is a horrible translation.

Peter told everyone to repent, and recieve the HS but only told a certain few to be baptized. The who was those who had recieved remission of sin

Again. Your adding works to the gospel of Grace. This is just as dangerous as saying we must be circumcised to be saved (as the jews did) Why would God say that is not going to save you, but baptism is? God is adding a work for NT believers not required by OT believers?

THINK!!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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that's why i was saying everyone who is born again must experience some kind of emotional experience, something to prove that they are born again, what does a new BORN baby do when it is born for the first time? it wheeps and cry, and that is a type of the spiritually also, you must experience some kind of emotional it's like you never existed before and you are born again, the baby must cry, i don't want to make myself seem like i'm in the spotlight or anything but i can just tell the truth, when i accepted christ, i started to wheep and cry uncontrollable not only i experience this experience but many more people over the world, i've read testimonies of when some people accept christ in a bar they fell to the ground and started wheeping and crying, something must occur to show that your faith has been accepted by God
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This is dangerous!! Run from this gospel my friend. It will lead you to hell!!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Your commentary looks like a copy and paste. Be that as it may, the case has already been made on this thread, scroll up.
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Yep. Some people are so closed minded. They know they are so right, nothing anyone says will change them. they are blinded to what they say, even if it makes sense.

Take a hint my friend, If I had continued with this attitude. I would still be stuck in your rut. And still be wondering why my spiritual life is so dead.
 
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