Is there such a thing as an atheist?

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It is the same evidence that is recognized in legal courts around the globe: Testimony from credible witnesses. There are people, such as myself, that have experienced supernatural events at their request, and are as surely convinced of it as truth as a unanimous jury verdict.

But there are always those, such as yourself, that refuse to accept evidence and the result is a hung jury. Fortunately my eternal destination rests only on my acceptance of Christ, not yours.
And what of the people who claimed to have been abducted by aliens? Or have seen Elvis alive?

Do their testimonies count too?
 
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And what of the people who claimed to have been abducted by aliens? Or have seen Elvis alive?

Do their testimonies count too?
Let's put 'em on the stand! Are they credible witnesses? Do their stories jive? Bible says to "try the spirits". Truthful people tell the truth, and liars lie. :)
 
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They have a problem with seeing the truth, so that will be unbelievably difficult for them.
i truly hope they can experience what I, and millions, if not billion of other people have experienced.
God bless :)
 
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Evidence is something that's undeniable for everyone.

In the case of a religious experience, or an alien abduction or someone who thinks Elvis is alive... Then they would accept other peoples claims to it because it fits their beliefs.

The non believer would reject them. Because there's no evidence, only personal experiences which cannot be verified... But can be artificially enhanced when other like minded people claim it too.

So no, you haven't got evidence.. You have Confirmation Bias. Which certainly wouldn't stand up in court.
 
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They have a problem with seeing the truth, so that will be unbelievably difficult for them.
i truly hope they can experience what I, and millions, if not billion of other people have experienced.
God bless :)
I'm sorry if logic and rational thought is making it difficult for me to see 'the truth'
 
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Actually it's not from behind a fence.. It's been right in my face after I've told someone my beliefs.. And this is after I've been stopped while I'm walking. So I ain't approaching anyone, I've had people approach me and then don't like what I say then threaten me with eternal punishment.

I don't respect beliefs in myth and magic. I respect people, but I don't respect the fact they will believe absurd stories without sufficient evidence.
So, you respect me, but at the same time you think I'm a lunatic. Feels good, thanks.
Can you respect the fact that Jesus Christ is for me the answer to my deepest questions and struggles? Of course, that doesn't mean that I figured all my life out, but God gives a whole different perspective to my life and makes much more sense than anything. The more I live, the more I believe in God and I feel that is worth to bet my entire life and being on Him.
 
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Feels good, thanks.
So does being told one of my parents are burning in hell for eternity.

But I'd never say anything as appalling as that to someone who isn't in my little sub group.
 
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When I was in middle school a gang pushed me down in a bathroom. One of them pulled a knife out on me, and told me that I was going to get what I deserve for rejecting god. This is the most extreme example from my life, but I can tell you that the threats that a lot of atheists receive are no laughing matter. It is probably also good to look at the historical context of how atheists have been persecuted. Until just a few centuries ago, it was very common for people who didn't believe to either be put to death or ostracized. The knowledge of this can make atheists be extremely defensive. Many studies in the United States have shown that atheists are extremely distrusted by the majority of the population. It might be very different in Portugal, but that is not something I can comment on.
I am romanian and currently living in Portugal. I have never heard of such extreme acts in my country or in Portugal. And I hope that your sad case is truly a very isolated one.

On the contrary, a lot of romanian priests and pastors have been persecuted by the communist regime and from all the persecutions that christians have suffered in different times and ages, the communist persecution was the most evil and demonic one.

Why? Because while Nero and other roman emperors asked christians to worship idols (in the early christianity) and while some muslims nowadays ask christians to deny Christ and adhere to islam, the communism regime not only asked them to deny Christ, but asked them to truly believe with their minds that religion ("the opium of the people", K. Marx) stands against the progress of humanity.

And how did they try to do that? Through a demonic program that was cinically called "re-education" and that happened in communist romanian jails where men would be submitted to undefinable tortures so that when they go out of jail, they go out as "new, healthy" men, cured of their "mystical delirium". But how could the regime evaluate if they are truly cured? What did the prisoners have to do to prove their sincere adherence to the communist regime? The clever demonic communist has figured out: they should torture other christians and intelectuals in jail and denounce every person (if it was a member of the family, even better - prooves their love for the dictator) that opposed the communist regime.
 
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So, the difference between the early persecutions of christians and the communist persecution is that the first ones would kill your body as a consequence of your refusal to worship idols, while the second one has figured a way to mutilate not only the body, but also the soul.

Luke 12,4-5: 4 And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do.5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.
 
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I'm sorry if logic and rational thought is making it difficult for me to see 'the truth'
There are some things and questions to which logic will never provide a satisfying answer.
I remember that a 13 years old boy once asked his parents why was he born? And the parents asked him "you don't have nothing better to do than waste your time with stupid questions? Don't have homework or something of that kind?". And, if I was the boy, I would have replied that "No, there is really nothing, absolutely nothing, worthier of my attention and focus than that question!". True christianism does not provide lazy answers to that question, but deepens the mystery, rather than eludate it.
Some atheists (I do not imply that you are one of them) think that we are being arrogant because we imagine that we are so special and the ombilic of the world by believing in a loving God that created us out of love when we are nothing but dust in the wind. The fact that we are dust in the wind may be partially true, but if the dust is able to ask himself questions and to wish he could fly, why is that arrogant? Why is love for the beauty a delusion and an arrogance?
I think the best proof of God is that we wonder, we feel incomplete and we constantly try to surpass our human condition. Atheists try to do it with their own forces, while christians try to do it with the love and power of God.
 
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I attribute the air we all breathe to photosynthesis. This bit from Wikipedia expresses my views:

“Before photosynthesis evolved, Earth's atmosphere had no free oxygen (O[SUB]2[/SUB]). Oxygen was first produced by photosynthetic prokaryotic organisms that emitted O[SUB]2[/SUB] as a waste product. These organisms lived long before the first build-up of oxygen in the atmosphere, perhaps as early as 3.5 billion years ago. The oxygen they produced would have almost instantly been removed from the atmosphere by weathering of reduced minerals, most notably iron. This 'mass rusting' led to the deposition of banded iron formations. Oxygen only began to persist in the atmosphere in small quantities about 50 million years before the start of the Great Oxygenation Event.”

Geological history of oxygen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Photosynthesis is attributable to marvelous design. Great works of engineering don't design themselves. Dirty kitchens don't clean themselves. Some things are not only unlikely, they are impossible without intelligent causation.

Without God, many things are impossible. With God, all things are possible (Matthew 19:26).
 
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Photosynthesis is attributable to marvelous design. Great works of engineering don't design themselves. Dirty kitchens don't clean themselves. Some things are not only unlikely, they are impossible without intelligent causation.

Without God, many things are impossible. With God, all things are possible (Matthew 19:26).
Conversely.. Would Fatally dangerous weather, germs, disease and horrible birth defects signify BAD design?
 
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Conversely.. Would Fatally dangerous weather, germs, disease and horrible birth defects signify BAD design?

No, It would signify a perfect design which was damaged by the entrance of sin to creation
 
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How did Sin create Germs? How did Sin create hurricanes? I need an explanation.
 

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Photosynthesis is attributable to marvelous design. Great works of engineering don't design themselves. Dirty kitchens don't clean themselves. Some things are not only unlikely, they are impossible without intelligent causation.

Without God, many things are impossible. With God, all things are possible (Matthew 19:26).
A very relevant comment and observation, but you can't be a christian because the atheists say that relevancy and plausible thinking is not something that christians indulge in especially those christians that believe the bible is the word of God. That is the realm of atheists who believe that we came from the goo to you via the zoo. Very plausible don't you think?

I remember one atheist scientists say on TV with great delight that man has evolved from a sand worm no longer than his thumb nail. No evidence mind you, just an atheist saying what he thinks and because he says it it must be true.

Of late I have been amazed at the greatness of God thanks to an atheist. For the last 12 months they have been showing various programmes produced by David Attenborough, our resident uber atheists. I don't listen to all his mumbo jumbo about evolution. What I do enjoy is the amazing photography of the programmes and the beauty of the scenery and animals. I said that if I ever wanted proof that there is God this is it.

One fascinating fact that I didn't know but I do now thanks to David is that EVERY zebra has a different stripe pattern. I realise of course that the atheist believe that came about by random chance. Each to his own.

I love photographing natural life and when I inspect flowers and look at the intricacies and individuality of each flower I am amazed at the vast variety Gods put into his creative work. I feel sorry for atheists who can look no further than goo to explain this.
 
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How did Sin create Germs? How did Sin create hurricanes? I need an explanation.
lol. read scripture.. or do you not want to do this??

what did God say would happen because of sin?
 

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How did Sin create Germs? How did Sin create hurricanes? I need an explanation.
I can give you one but I don't think you will accept it as it blows your theories out of the water and an atheist can NEVER admit to that.

We read in Genesis that what God created was perfect and Adam and Eve lived in the garden of Eden in perfect harmony with God. When sin entered, not only did it corrupt their relationship with God it corrupted all of creation. We know this by the fact that in the garden God took care of them and they enjoyed a weed-less garden.

Because of their sin they became imperfect so they could no longer live in a garden that was a perfect creation and which provided perfect fellowship with God so God ejected them from the garden and the two main consequences were that they would have to take care of themselves in an environment overrun by weeds (a result of sin) and suffer decay, bearing in mind that there is no indication that Adam and Eve were ever going to die.

We read in the bible of people still living nearly 1,000 years but as time went by sin caused a decay of life and the life span of man got shorter and shorter and the earth got more decayed as time went by. Today as spoken of in the bible we are to expect 70 years. Modern medicine may give us a few more years than that but reaching 100, let alone a 1,000 years doesn't happen very often.

Man has been trying to ignore God for I don't know how many years and the decay that sin brought into the world brought with it sickness and disaster as God no longer was the centre of man's life.

Man and nature are linked as the scripture says that the earth groans waiting for the redemption of the sons of man so as man sinks into the mire of social suicide which it is doing at the moment, the earth follows suit as they are inextricably linked.

there are two types of Grace. There is personal grace which applies to individual persons and their is common grace which applies to groups, and nations. You no doubt have heard the saying that the sun shines on the righteous and the unrighteous (it is in the bible). What this means is that God's common grace does not delineate between the saved and unsaved. He blesses both. When farmers have good crops that is God blessing the righteous and unrighteous as all are recipients of the blessing of it.

When God does something for me personally in time of need, that is personal grace.

Today we are slowly legalising immorality and therefore committing social suicide. Because God will not violate your free will, he will not stop you doing it, but you will have to accept the consequences of your actions. Every violation of God's creative purpose which is what social suicide is, brings with it a violation of the earth itself, hence the degradation that we experience on an ongoing basis.

Until sin came into the world everything was perfect. When sin entered it stuffed up the whole creation. If you want to get rid of the bad, turn to God, repent of your sin and accept him as your Lord. There is no other way as we are all sinners and need God to free us from it.
 
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So sin is more powerful than god?

It must be Cos it totally undid what he created.
 
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So does being told one of my parents are burning in hell for eternity.

But I'd never say anything as appalling as that to someone who isn't in my little sub group.
And you do very well for not saying that!!!
You are one clever atheist! You have figured out an easy way to go to Heaven: "Don't judge and you won't be judged".
 
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And you do very well for not saying that!!!
You are one clever atheist! You have figured out an easy way to go to Heaven: "Don't judge and you won't be judged".
Looks like I'll see you there then lol