SEVENTH DAY ADVENTISM

[UriahSmith1844]

This thread, for the most part, is just a bunch of 'Christians' making all kinds of accusations against a Church that they know nothing about.

Honestly people, stop getting your information from off the Internet, when it comes to things like this. UNLESS you are simply like the Pharisees who were willing to dig up any lie they could find, to try to discredit Jesus... and if that's the case, which to me its obvious that it is... then carry on with your wicked work. BUT bear in mind that some day you shall have to give an account to God. Because like it or not, Thou shalt NOT bear false witness against thy neighbour still is in force today, and you shall have to answer to God for it.

It is disgusting. The TRUTH is that most of you hate the 10 Commandments, especially the 7th Day Sabbath, and so you will stop at NOTHING to try to discredit the Seventh Day Adventist Church.

This is why I really do not bother trying to answer to all the lies people put forth about my Church... There are plenty of honest people out there who are true seekers after truth, who need my attention...

Testimonies for the Church Volume 3, Page 37

Opposing Adventists
Our most bitter opponents ... They do not engage in the warfare honorably. They will pursue any course, however unreasonable and inconsistent, to cover up the truth and try to make it appear that the law of God is of no force. They flatter themselves that the end will justify the means. Men of their own number, in whom they had not confidence, will commence a tirade against the Sabbath of the fourth commandment, and they will give publicity to their statements, however untrue, unjust, and even ridiculous, if they can make them bear against the truth which they hate.
We should not be moved or disconcerted by this unjust warfare from unreasonable men. Those who receive, and are pleased with, what these men speak and write against the truth are not the ones who would be convinced of the truth or who would honor the cause of God if they should accept it. Time and strength can be better employed than to dwell at length upon the quibbles of our opponents who deal in slander and misrepresentations.
While precious time is employed in following the crooks and turns of dishonest opponents, the people who are open to conviction are dying for want of knowledge. A train of senseless quibbles of Satan’s own invention is brought before minds, while the people are crying for food, for meat in due season.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

This thread, for the most part, is a number of educated Christians refuting the deceitful heresy of a cult they know enough about.

Honestly people, please continue getting your information from world class apologists and Christian cult experts. Ignore the false accusations of no nothings like UriahSmith1844 who don't have a leg to stand on and whose posts are just screeds of meaningless information and empty accusations and condemnations.

Definitely, refuting the heresy of cults is scriptural and NOTHING like trying to discredit Jesus.

God rewards those who do their best to present themselves to God as one approved, a worker who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth as us apologists are doing in this thread.

It is disgusting that the cultists turn away from the pure truth of Jesus to follow their false prophetess and false teachers. They are Judaizers and liars who become enraged when they are presented with the truth and their lies and false teachings exposed for what they are.

Opposing heretical teachers and those blinded by their heresies like the SDA is exactly the right thing to do. All their condemnations are empty words. They need to repent of their heresies and return to orthodox Christian teaching.

Fortunately, many do leave the SDA for the truth. Click here: http://www.lifeassuranceministries.com/pdf files/9-20-09 T Path.pdf

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

1 in 3 leave the SDA cult. Join them at these links:

Former Adventist Fellowship

Members leaving SDA Church in droves

Testimony of 7th day Adventist

Etc...

 

[Dustoffmyfeet]

Since when did the mainstream become the few, and the few the many who are led astray? Again I am not saying that SDA holds the pure truth, but you admit that not even your own holds it. In order to understand 2 Timothy 4:2, You must understand 1 Corinthians 1:10.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Don't appeal to probability for it's an inductive arguments lacking deductive validity and must therefore be asserted or denied in the premises.

Cults lead people into error. That's why they lead them astray.

You've illogically invoked 1 Corinthians 1:10 erring in the same manner as you did with respect to 2 Timothy 4:2 and 1 Peter 4:8.

I'm repeating myself because you choose to continue to misapply scripture. I said here http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/86325-seventh-day-adventism-6.html#post1429823:

"Cults are outside of orthodoxy and therefore Christendom. They are groups of deceived people seeking to deceive even the elect if they can. They deceitfully attempt to poison the body of Christ and the scriptures clearly instruct us not to allow that to happen. The infection must be removed before it damages the body.

Why even if an angel from heaven should preach a contrary gospel masking it in the same language as the genuine article in order to deceive, let them be accursed (Gal 1:8). And for Judaizers, "for all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, 'Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.'” (Gal 3:10). Such things are already judged and it was Jesus and the Apostles that judged them.

And your appeal to 1 Peter 4:8 doesn't apply here as Peter has in mind the community of genuine Christians within orthodox Christendom who are to be “good stewards of the manifold grace of God, serving one another.” It is not a cop out for refusing to refute and rebuke the deceit and heresy of cults and attempts of Judaizers to drag people back under the Old Covenant. Read a few of the very strong verses in which such people are condemned thoroughly by the Apostles including Paul."

The same goes for EVERY other verse in the Bible in which Jesus and the Apostles are teaching how genuine Christians in orthodoxy are to treat each other. The many other verses talking about how they are to teach false teachers, false prophets, etc... are clear that they are to refute and reject them utterly and such people are judged by God.

"But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed. And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep. For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment; if he did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a herald of righteousness, with seven others, when he brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly." 2 Peter 2:1-22.

You are grossly misapplying scripture when you falsely assert that verses such as 1 Corinthians 1:10, 2 Timothy 4:2, and 1 Peter 4:8 which are intended for genuine believers in orthodoxy apply to false prophets and false teachers and the cults they represent. They do NOT.

Jesus and the Apostles were not morally blighted for making the differentiation and neither am I. You; however, are if you continue to misapply scriptures in a fallacious attempt to extend verses intended for the body of Christ to false prophets and false teachers in an effort to enable them to lead people astray into their error after it has been clearly explained to you repeatedly that this is an erroneous activity to engage in.

Since when did the mainstream become the few, and the few the many who are led astray? Again I am not saying that SDA holds the pure truth, but you admit that not even your own holds it. In order to understand 2 Timothy 4:2, You must understand 1 Corinthians 1:10.

 

[Dustoffmyfeet]

Don't appeal to probability for it's an inductive arguments lacking deductive validity and must therefore be asserted or denied in the premises.

Cults lead people into error. That's why they lead them astray.

What you posted may sound like you have all the answers, but let us just focus on the simple truth.

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adjective: orthodox; adjective: Orthodox

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  (of a person or their views, esp. religious or political ones, or other beliefs or practices) conforming to what is generally or traditionally accepted as right or true; established and approved.
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  (of a thing) of the ordinary or usual type; normal.
  "they avoided orthodox jazz venues"
  
  
  [h=2]cult[/h] noun, often attributive \ˈkəlt\ : a small religious group that is not part of a larger and more accepted religion and that has beliefs regarded by many people as extreme or dangerous
  : a situation in which people admire and care about something or someone very much or too much
  : a small group of very devoted supporters or fans
  
  You've illogically invoked 1 Corinthians 1:10 erring in the same manner as you did with respect to 2 Timothy 4:2 and 1 Peter 4:8.
  How so? How can I confuse being of the SAME MIND AND THE SAME JUDGMENT? How can someone know what "evil" is if everyone's definition of it is different? Now when reading the definitions posted, "orthodoxy" is what established mainstream people adhere to and "cult" is simply those who do not follow established tradition. Again that's nice and all, but find me one more person who even believes as you do to a "T". You might believe in a trinity, another Christian does not, but both fall under "orthodox" beliefs? Again more confusion.
  
  I'm repeating myself because you choose to continue to misapply scripture. I said here http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/86325-seventh-day-adventism-6.html#post1429823:
  
  "Cults are outside of orthodoxy and therefore Christendom. They are groups of deceived people seeking to deceive even the elect if they can. They deceitfully attempt to poison the body of Christ and the scriptures clearly instruct us not to allow that to happen. The infection must be removed before it damages the body.
  The bible says that the MANY will be left astray. Again instead of wondering about with they believe, concentrate on the fallacies within the MANY you uphold.
  
  
  Why even if an angel from heaven should preach a contrary gospel masking it in the same language as the genuine article in order to deceive, let them be accursed (Gal 1:8). And for Judaizers, "for all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, 'Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.'” (Gal 3:10). Such things are already judged and it was Jesus and the Apostles that judged them.
  Again without being of the same mind, how are we to know what an "angel" is in this sentence? Is Moses an angel? Now Christ said that He will save all. Did Moses say the same things? If you are holding SDA's to the law, are you not cursing yourself? Again it is love that covers sin.
  
  
  And your appeal to 1 Peter 4:8 doesn't apply here as Peter has in mind the community of genuine Christians within orthodox Christendom who are to be “good stewards of the manifold grace of God, serving one another.” It is not a cop out for refusing to refute and rebuke the deceit and heresy of cults and attempts of Judaizers to drag people back under the Old Covenant. Read a few of the very strong verses in which such people are condemned thoroughly by the Apostles including Paul."
  If it was written for someone else, then why are you reading it? And I though the flock of Jesus was SMALL? The Apostles would rebuke and correct you if they were here for the same reason they did it then. Because of gainsaying.
  
  The same goes for EVERY other verse in the Bible in which Jesus and the Apostles are teaching how genuine Christians in orthodoxy are to treat each other. The many other verses talking about how they are to teach false teachers, false prophets, etc... are clear that they are to refute and reject them utterly and such people are judged by God.
  Again, Christ came to save all. If your church is not preaching that message, then it is for gainsay and in error!
  
  
  "But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed. And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep. For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment; if he did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a herald of righteousness, with seven others, when he brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly." 2 Peter 2:1-22.
  Does this not apply to orthodoxy? You are indeed the "many".
  
  You are grossly misapplying scripture when you falsely assert that verses such as 1 Corinthians 1:10, 2 Timothy 4:2, and 1 Peter 4:8 which are intended for genuine believers in orthodoxy apply to false prophets and false teachers and the cults they represent. They do NOT.
  
  Jesus and the Apostles were not morally blighted for making the differentiation and neither am I. You; however, are if you continue to misapply scriptures in a fallacious attempt to extend verses intended for the body of Christ to false prophets and false teachers in an effort to enable them to lead people astray into their error after it has been clearly explained to you repeatedly that this is an erroneous activity to engage in.
  ANY church that does not teach the salvation of all is in error. If you believe not then why do you die as that is the wage of sin? Any church that uses money is in error as it promotes gainsaying. God don't pay bills!
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  

 

[Tongue-talker]

• Col 2:16-19 KJV] 16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Christ. 18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, 19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.
  
  [Rom 14:1-6 KJV] 1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, [but] not to doubtful disputations. 2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. 3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. 4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. 5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day [alike]. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth [it] unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard [it]. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.​
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  

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  [Mar 2:23-28 KJV] 23 And it came to pass, that he went through the corn fields on the sabbath day; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck the ears of corn. 24 And the Pharisees said unto him, Behold, why do they on the sabbath day that which is not lawful? 25 And he said unto them, Have ye never read what David did, when he had need, and was an hungred, he, and they that were with him? 26 How he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and did eat the shewbread, which is not lawful to eat but for the priests, and gave also to them which were with him? 27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: 28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
  
  [Mar 3:1-6 KJV] 1 And he entered again into the synagogue; and there was a man there which had a withered hand. 2 And they watched him, whether he would heal him on the sabbath day; that they might accuse him. 3 And he saith unto the man which had the withered hand, Stand forth. 4 And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace. 5 And when he had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts, he saith unto the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched [it] out: and his hand was restored whole as the other. 6 And the Pharisees went forth, and straightway took counsel with the Herodians against him, how they might destroy him.
  
  [Mat 12:1-8 KJV] 1 At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat. 2 But when the Pharisees saw [it], they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day. 3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him; 4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests? 5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless? 6 But I say unto you, That in this place is [one] greater than the temple. 7 But if ye had known what [this] meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless. 8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.​
  
  
  
  

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Dustofmyfeet, what a tangled mess of erroneous, illogical, nonsensical, relativistic screed you posted. Unfortunately, I don't have the time right now to correct such ignorance as I have to get ready for church. Be back later.

 

[Dustoffmyfeet]

Dustofmyfeet, what a tangled mess of erroneous, illogical, nonsensical, relativistic screed you posted. Unfortunately, I don't have the time right now to correct such ignorance as I have to get ready for church. Be back later.

Again more big words to hide your own ignorance. If love was logical, it would be called law. The church you are going to collects money and therefore by default practices gainsaying. How can it not when by its very definition of money it brings competition for profit?

What do SDA's do SPECIFICALLY that is so erroneous? Giving a prophesy that turned out to be wrong? Does not your bible state that prophesies WILL fail? Why? Because WE ALL ONLY KNOW IN PART. So it is not the prophesy that one may get wrong that is the case, but the absence of love that drives this madness that you are pursuing. The true meaning of prophesy will always take care of itself.

 

[Laodicea]

All AgeofKnowledge is doing is getting info from critical websites and passing it off as truth. Looks like he has nothing of his own that is why he posts info from websites.

It is easy to do what he is. If he tells us his church we could do the same.

People told Jesus He had a devil to His face, imagine what would have been said about Christ if they had internet.

 

[chips1024]

This is not my conversation, but just wanting to make a point: Those who are condemned to hell eventually end up with the devil and his angels being tossed into the lake of fire, which is the second death. So in that context, would we really consider someone condemned to suffer a second death to actually be "alive"? Eternal torture after a second death does not sound at all like "life". Just saying.
IMHO.

Hey mindwrencher... it seems like AMBF hasn't come back with any new info to correct my thinking, but again, you raise a misalignment for me.
The lake of fire is prepared for the devil and his angels and the wicked shall join them and be part of the second death - agree with you.
But what does that second death mean!?!? If they are dead - then does that mean that their bodies are simply burning forever? Does not a living soul/living person/living being (depends on translation used) consist of a body (dust of the ground) and the breath of life (from God himself) as explained in Gen 2:7? I have not heard a lady say that she is kinda pregnant, she is either pregnant or not. You are either dead or alive, are you not? If they have died, then they are dead and have been destroyed/perished/etc and they no longer play any part in anything (Eccl 9).
You question what is life, are we not alive now? According to Gen 2:7 - "Then the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground. He breathed the breath of life into the man's nostrils, and the man became a living person." If we have a body and have the breath of life, are we not alive? Are we not a living person as the Bible states in this verse?

And if they are alive, it really and seriously throws out my concept of a loving God!! You who love your children would not like to see them being tortured for a little while, let alone eternity no matter how terrible they have been. If we, being evil, see torture as evil and unwanted, what makes you think that an ALL LOVING GOD would want this for His children?? We know torture is wrong here in this evil world, will God then continue this torture for all eternity? Does He not wish that ALL will be saved? Did He not give His BEST to save everyone? Does He also not wish for pain and suffering to end? Does it also not pain Him when we suffer? Does it not pain Him when people choose to join the devil and His angels? Did He not feel compassion for those around Him who walked away from Him on this earth? Does He also not suffer with us in our pain and agony?
I just cannot connect a loving God to someone who would allow people to be tortured for all eternity and be in pain and suffering forever. We who are evil cannot condemn someone to that fate!! Are we not discrediting/twisting/lessening/changing Gods LOVE for us by promoting this idea? God loved us so much that He died for us... That Love cannot be changed to inflict pain and suffering on another for all eternity... for then, that is not love...
Would it not be more loving to end the life of those that sin than to have them suffer forever? Those that see a patient in immense pain before death, consider the option to give them something so that they can pass on. Families of people with certain diseases wish they could bring death more swiftly upon their father/mother/etc so that they can not be in such suffering any longer. We who are evil put down animals who are in pain and suffering because we feel it is inhumane to keep them alive and suffering. Why would we think that God who is Love, would leave a person to suffer in pain for all eternity?

Thank you for your comment that is wrenching at my mind bud!! But I cannot ignore the bigger picture and what view of God this 'burning for eternity' presents... and for me, preaching a God that loves me more than I can ever know, yet allows His very own children to suffer and be tortured for all eternity does not match-up... again, if anyone has any info to correct this blatant contradiction about who God is I am facing, please do share...

Stay blessed...

 

[38miles]

All AgeofKnowledge is doing is getting info from critical websites and passing it off as truth. Looks like he has nothing of his own that is why he posts info from websites.

It is easy to do what he is. If he tells us his church we could do the same.

People told Jesus He had a devil to His face, imagine what would have been said about Christ if they had internet.

Your church sect is less than 200 years old and is built on erroneous theology and flesh following.

I never use the clear word. Doctrine is based on the Bible and should always be. Any prophet including Ellen White is to agree with the Bible. The Bible is the final authority. Though I do believe Ellen White a prophet doctrine is based on the Bible. I teach the Bible in church and teach this.

The moment you call Ellen White a "prophet" is the moment you confirm all of the information AgeofKnowledge is pulling off sites.

 

[Kerry]

Laodicea is speaking for the church of Laodicea. Focusing on law and ritual rather than the cross. The apostate church that either teaches vain psychology and what you can do or self help rather than the cross and falls in line with Catholicism. which is the church that launched and sustained the dark ages. Because the gospel was not being preached. The gospel is the cross and not Saturday or Sunday. Get it right folks and get into the church of Philadelphia. Those who have an ear to hear let them hear.

 

[Laodicea]

Your church sect is less than 200 years old and is built on erroneous theology and flesh following.



The moment you call Ellen White a "prophet" is the moment you confirm all of the information AgeofKnowledge is pulling off sites.

How about using the Bible? Are you people prepared to use the Bible rather than critical websites which are meaningless.

For example SDA keep the sabbath, can you show me a Bible text saying the sabbath is no longer blessed and is not to be kept?

 

[danschance]

How about using the Bible? Are you people prepared to use the Bible rather than critical websites which are meaningless.

For example SDA keep the sabbath, can you show me a Bible text saying the sabbath is no longer blessed and is not to be kept?

Here is what I have:

"Having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us and which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. When He had disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through Him. Therefore let no one act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day- things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ." (Col 2:14-16)

Notice the phrase "canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us" is saying the Mosaic laws no longer apply to NT believers.

Let me ask you a few questions:

1. Why is the weekly Sabbath commandment never quoted in the New Testament?
2. Why is the Sabbath the only one of the ten commandments that are said to be "throughout your generations", the usual phrase that indicates it was a temporary ceremonial law only for the Jews?
3. Why is there no example of exclusively Christians coming together on the Sabbath day as a church or prayer meeting after the resurrection of Christ?
4. If we must follow the example of Jesus in all things like keeping the Sabbath, then why do Sabbatarians not follow the example of Jesus in circumcision, animal sacrifices and keeping Passover?
5. If the Sabbath was for Gentiles and Adam, Noah and Abraham, then why is the Sabbath a sign to remind the Jews of their exodus from Egypt? Exodus 16:23,29; 31:13-18. Were either Abraham or Seventh-day Adventists ever slaves in Egypt?
6. Ellen G. White, who is considered inspired by Seventh-day Adventists, said that the Pope changed the Sabbath in about 321 AD. Why do all Adventists today reject their inspired prophet and say the change of the Sabbath occurred in about 140 AD? If White was wrong about this, was she wrong when she traveled to heaven and saw the 4th commandment glowing brighter than all the rest?
7. Why is the universal record of history (70-500AD) 100% in unanimous agreement that Christians ate the Lord's Supper every Sunday in the tradition of Acts 20:7?
8. Why is the universal record of history (75-500AD) 100% in unanimous agreement that Christians always called Sunday the Lord's Day because, they said, this was the day Jesus rose from the dead?
9. Why has no Sabbatarian every produced even one historical quote (75-500AD) that says Christians kept the Sabbath?
10. If the 10 commandments remain but the book of law was abolished, then why did God put two copies of the 10 commandments in the book of the law? Ex 20; Deut 5
11. If the Sabbath cannot change, because God cannot change (Mal 3:6) then what about all the other feast days and laws that changed? Heb 7:12. And why did Jesus give a "a new commandment" in John 13:34?
12. If the ten commandments are going to be in heaven, what is the use of "thou shalt not commit adultery", if there is no marriage in heaven? Lk 20:34-35
13. How could the Sabbath be a sign between God and Israel, if all nations were expected to keep it? Ex 31:17
14. Why did God often criticize the Gentiles via the prophets for moral violations, but never for not keeping the Sabbath?
15. If the Gentiles were supposed to keep the Sabbath, why are they called "strangers of the Covenant" in Eph 2:12?
16. If the term "keep my commandments" always means the 10 commandments, then why is this a new commandment? Jn 15:10-12 + Jn 13:34.

 

[Laodicea]

Here is what I have:

"Having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us and which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. When He had disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through Him. Therefore let no one act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day- things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ." (Col 2:14-16)

Notice the phrase "canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us" is saying the Mosaic laws no longer apply to NT believers.

Let me ask you a few questions:

1. Why is the weekly Sabbath commandment never quoted in the New Testament?

There is only one place in all the Bible where God comes down and gives the 10 commandments. Those texts you quoted do not say the sabbath is no longer blessed by God and not to keep the sabbath. Do you expect to God thunder down again in the NT to repeat the law when He already did that?

Why is the Sabbath the only one of the ten commandments that are said to be "throughout your generations", the usual phrase that indicates it was a temporary ceremonial law only for the Jews?

The sabbath of the Lord is not a shadow like the ceremonial sabbath it is a memorial

1. Why is there no example of exclusively Christians coming together on the Sabbath day as a church or prayer meeting after the resurrection of Christ?
   Are you reading the same Bible as others? There are many verses in Acts about the early church both Jew & Gentile in the church keeping the sabbath of the Lord.
2. If we must follow the example of Jesus in all things like keeping the Sabbath, then why do Sabbatarians not follow the example of Jesus in circumcision, animal sacrifices and keeping Passover?
   Ceremonial laws were a shadow that points to Christ. Don't you know the Bible says Christ is our passover?
3. If the Sabbath was for Gentiles and Adam, Noah and Abraham, then why is the Sabbath a sign to remind the Jews of their exodus from Egypt? Exodus 16:23,29; 31:13-18. Were either Abraham or Seventh-day Adventists ever slaves in Egypt?
   Sabbath is a sign of 3 things:- Creation, sanctification & redemption. Christ has brought us out of the bondage of sin.
4. Ellen G. White, who is considered inspired by Seventh-day Adventists, said that the Pope changed the Sabbath in about 321 AD. Why do all Adventists today reject their inspired prophet and say the change of the Sabbath occurred in about 140 AD? If White was wrong about this, was she wrong when she traveled to heaven and saw the 4th commandment glowing brighter than all the rest?
   Where do you get this info? It is not just Ellen White who says this, many non SDA as well.

 

[Laodicea]

1. Why has no Sabbatarian every produced even one historical quote (75-500AD) that says Christians kept the Sabbath?
   They are there you just have not read them
2. If the 10 commandments remain but the book of law was abolished, then why did God put two copies of the 10 commandments in the book of the law? Ex 20; Deut 5
   Are you having trouble understanding the Bible? Exodus 20 is God speaking, Deuteronomy 5 is Moses farewell speech.
3. If the Sabbath cannot change, because God cannot change (Mal 3:6) then what about all the other feast days and laws that changed? Heb 7:12. And why did Jesus give a "a new commandment" in John 13:34?
   it was the same commandment spoken in a different way.
4. If the ten commandments are going to be in heaven, what is the use of "thou shalt not commit adultery", if there is no marriage in heaven? Lk 20:34-35
   You are looking at the letter of the law not the spirit of the law.
5. How could the Sabbath be a sign between God and Israel, if all nations were expected to keep it? Ex 31:17
   Who is Israel and what is the meaning of the name Israel?
6. Why did God often criticize the Gentiles via the prophets for moral violations, but never for not keeping the Sabbath?
   Israel were meant to be God's people with more knowledge and light than the gentiles. People are judged for the light they have.
7. If the Gentiles were supposed to keep the Sabbath, why are they called "strangers of the Covenant" in Eph 2:12?
   Seems like every question as almost about the sabbath. You have not showed me a text that says the sabbath is no longer blessed by God.
8. If the term "keep my commandments" always means the 10 commandments, then why is this a new commandment? Jn 15:10-12 + Jn 13:34.
   You already asked about the new commandment. The ark of the covenant in heaven is mentioned in Revelation which has the 10 commandments.

If you want a more detailed answer then you should ask one question at a time

 

[Ace85]

I heard a preacher say one time, that the reason a lot of churches gather on Sundays is because that is the day that Jesus rose from the dead. When the new church was formed after the resurrection, they chose to honour Jesus, by gathering on Sundays. Personally, I don't think it matters what day we gather, or where.

 

[john832]

I heard a preacher say one time, that the reason a lot of churches gather on Sundays is because that is the day that Jesus rose from the dead. When the new church was formed after the resurrection, they chose to honour Jesus, by gathering on Sundays. Personally, I don't think it matters what day we gather, or where.

Christ rose on Sabbath afternoon at/about sunset. Either that is a fact or He was not the Messiah after all...

Mat 12:38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.
Mat 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Now I have a seven year old grandson that can see that there is something wrong with counting three days and three nights from Friday afternoon to Sunday morning. For one to believe that fable, he must be completely ignorant of math principles.

 

[dcontroversal]

Genesis 1:5 KJV
(5) And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

According to the Bible a day = an evening and a morning

Your right and it can also be considered a 1000 years as in God's eyes