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Just to digress a little bit here.
I remembered us bringing up T Rex a lot in some of the past pages on here. So I went just doing some basic browsing on everyone's favorite Terrible Lizard. Now this is just some basic background, nothing too fancy. Plus keep in mind this is based off wikipedia, and remember wikipedia isn't canonized, merely using this to find assertions and basic facts which can be back-tracked and cross-referenced.
Here's a basic article about everything wikipedia is aware of T Rex:
Tyrannosaurus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Now one of the first things I noticed that made me laugh was it seems T Rex has had something of an indentity problem in the past and until revised way later, much of the known T Rex skeletons were indentified with less popular dinosaurs. Another thing you'll notice with really any dinosaur, not just T Rex, is that all their skeletons are incomplete thus any rendering of what they're supposed to look like is naturally flawed and figment of the imagination of artists.
So this made me wonder last night; what can we tell from the most complete T Rex skeleton?
Here is the most complete T Rex known about in the modern world:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sue_(dinosaur)
Particularly draw your attention to the Discovery of Sue the T-Rex. This quote I really liked and really was awesome in my opinion:
"The group was excited, as it was evident that much of the dinosaur had been preserved. Previously discovered T. rex skeletons were usually missing over half of their bones.[SUP][9][/SUP] It was later ascertained that Sue was a record 80 percent complete.[SUP][9][/SUP] Scientists believe that this specimen was covered by water and mud soon after its death which prevented other animals from carrying away the bones.[SUP][2][/SUP] Additionally, the rushing water mixed the skeleton together. When the fossil was found, the hip bones were above the skull, and the leg bones were intertwined with the ribs." ---Wikipedia Sue the T Rex.
Seems to me the regardless of whether you believe in an Old Earth or a Young Earth that one fine day in South Dakota Sue the Dragon got wiped out fairly quickly by a lot of water in a catastrophic fashion. Had to have been quite sudden too to be able to bury the fell beast so quickly as well as re-arrange its skeleton lol.
Also if keep reading the Sue the T Rex article on wikipedia you'll see assertions that Sue may have had a multitude of diseases as well as scrapped with other dragons in some brawls. Seems to me to be supporting evidence that the Earth in the last days of this dragon was filled with violence until a Great Flood washed the grime away.
I remembered us bringing up T Rex a lot in some of the past pages on here. So I went just doing some basic browsing on everyone's favorite Terrible Lizard. Now this is just some basic background, nothing too fancy. Plus keep in mind this is based off wikipedia, and remember wikipedia isn't canonized, merely using this to find assertions and basic facts which can be back-tracked and cross-referenced.
Here's a basic article about everything wikipedia is aware of T Rex:
Tyrannosaurus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Now one of the first things I noticed that made me laugh was it seems T Rex has had something of an indentity problem in the past and until revised way later, much of the known T Rex skeletons were indentified with less popular dinosaurs. Another thing you'll notice with really any dinosaur, not just T Rex, is that all their skeletons are incomplete thus any rendering of what they're supposed to look like is naturally flawed and figment of the imagination of artists.
So this made me wonder last night; what can we tell from the most complete T Rex skeleton?
Here is the most complete T Rex known about in the modern world:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sue_(dinosaur)
Particularly draw your attention to the Discovery of Sue the T-Rex. This quote I really liked and really was awesome in my opinion:
"The group was excited, as it was evident that much of the dinosaur had been preserved. Previously discovered T. rex skeletons were usually missing over half of their bones.[SUP][9][/SUP] It was later ascertained that Sue was a record 80 percent complete.[SUP][9][/SUP] Scientists believe that this specimen was covered by water and mud soon after its death which prevented other animals from carrying away the bones.[SUP][2][/SUP] Additionally, the rushing water mixed the skeleton together. When the fossil was found, the hip bones were above the skull, and the leg bones were intertwined with the ribs." ---Wikipedia Sue the T Rex.
Seems to me the regardless of whether you believe in an Old Earth or a Young Earth that one fine day in South Dakota Sue the Dragon got wiped out fairly quickly by a lot of water in a catastrophic fashion. Had to have been quite sudden too to be able to bury the fell beast so quickly as well as re-arrange its skeleton lol.
Also if keep reading the Sue the T Rex article on wikipedia you'll see assertions that Sue may have had a multitude of diseases as well as scrapped with other dragons in some brawls. Seems to me to be supporting evidence that the Earth in the last days of this dragon was filled with violence until a Great Flood washed the grime away.
I also find 'evolution' a little far fetched, but I'm not willing to throw it out. Because I don't think it matters. My salvation is not determined by understanding evolution or age of earth.
Besides I didn't evolve. I was born from a woman and I will die in the next 50 years some times.
I think our own mortality is more important than evolution or earth age questions.
Besides I didn't evolve. I was born from a woman and I will die in the next 50 years some times.
I think our own mortality is more important than evolution or earth age questions.
I do not under stand what you want me to do Bowman. I have done everything but draw it out for you in crayon. All I did was post an article with pictures from the website and provided a link to that site. The only other thing I did was to preface the link with my own short paragraph offering my own simple explanation of the set of prints from the prospective of an experienced tracker. There was no plagiarism in any part of that post.
I think I understand why oldhermit said he didn't plagiarize, bowman - by giving credit and providing the source of what he cut and paste in the post. He didn't rip something from a website and not provide the link or source - that would be claiming it as his own work. But he gave credit to the source by providing the place from which he found it.
Well I can see there some debates over the dinosaur tracks with human tracks. As I said before I personally err on the side of caution and from what I have seen assume the tracks in question are either a hoax or are mistakenly identified dinosaur tracks. I also accept I could be wrong here and that these could be human tracks, but I suppose I haven't done enough research on this specific case.
HOWEVER even if we discard this particular set of tracks there is still some questions Old Earth Creationists and Old Earth Atheists cannot answer. Lol whereas they think dinosaurs are their best proof for an Ol Earth, I personally think dinosaurs maybe a great evidence for a young earth.
Here is a lil video/power point montage of different Dinosaurs/Dragon artifacts made in the Ancient Human Past either depicting many dinosaurs, men, and creatures that are thought to be myth. Note: not all the artifacts are primarily dinosaurs, some are famous taxidermist renderings of the Thunder Bird, giant insects and sea life, etc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-wrBuWLj9s
[video=youtube;0-wrBuWLj9s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-wrBuWLj9s[/video]
Now I suppose we could dismiss all this evidence in a number of ways from saying its just Ancient Fantasy Artwork. However, even if we assume all these artifacts to be mere fantasy artwork this really begs two questions (to me personally at least).
1. Was ancient mankind really as primitive as the evolutionists and OEC say when we have evidence that ancient man was extremely sophisticated as evidenced by their ability to create intricate artwork and buildings?
2. If we pre-suppose the artwork is mere fantasy of the ancients and that mankind lived way after the dinosaurs and was so primitive according to the Old Earth model; how did the Ancients even have concepts such as the dinosaur/dragon, much less their artwork depicts some dinosaurs in ways we didn't even re-discover until the 19th and 20th Centuries AD?
Lol so there's my two questions in regards to Ancient Human-Dinosaur Artifacts, ya'll are my peers so review them at your leisure
HOWEVER even if we discard this particular set of tracks there is still some questions Old Earth Creationists and Old Earth Atheists cannot answer. Lol whereas they think dinosaurs are their best proof for an Ol Earth, I personally think dinosaurs maybe a great evidence for a young earth.
Here is a lil video/power point montage of different Dinosaurs/Dragon artifacts made in the Ancient Human Past either depicting many dinosaurs, men, and creatures that are thought to be myth. Note: not all the artifacts are primarily dinosaurs, some are famous taxidermist renderings of the Thunder Bird, giant insects and sea life, etc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-wrBuWLj9s
[video=youtube;0-wrBuWLj9s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-wrBuWLj9s[/video]
Now I suppose we could dismiss all this evidence in a number of ways from saying its just Ancient Fantasy Artwork. However, even if we assume all these artifacts to be mere fantasy artwork this really begs two questions (to me personally at least).
1. Was ancient mankind really as primitive as the evolutionists and OEC say when we have evidence that ancient man was extremely sophisticated as evidenced by their ability to create intricate artwork and buildings?
2. If we pre-suppose the artwork is mere fantasy of the ancients and that mankind lived way after the dinosaurs and was so primitive according to the Old Earth model; how did the Ancients even have concepts such as the dinosaur/dragon, much less their artwork depicts some dinosaurs in ways we didn't even re-discover until the 19th and 20th Centuries AD?
Lol so there's my two questions in regards to Ancient Human-Dinosaur Artifacts, ya'll are my peers so review them at your leisure
I looked at both sides of the question. That is why I read Glen J. Kuban' s analysis of the prints. He thought it was a fake but, the arguments were shallow and speculative and ignored a number of nuances about the track. For example, there are no signs of tool marks on the pint. If this were faked, there would be evidence of having been worked. As the site I posted claimed, "Multiple spiral CT scans have been performed on the Delk print to verify its authenticity, and over 800 X-ray images document density changes within the rock that correspond precisely with fossil footprints. Spiral CT scan technology provides an effective means of analyzing fossil footprints without physically destroying them. The CT scan allows visualization of the inside of the rock, specifically, under the footprint. These spiral CT scans prove that the Delk Print is a genuine fossil human footprint." He addressed none of these findings that I can recall. The evidence seems to be much in favor of its authenticity.