What makes it impossible for a carnal mind to be subject to the law?
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Sorry to hear about what you dealt with.
It's true that we can't overcome anything without Christ, and He does show us where we are in error. That is no excuse to reject and ignore His law.
We can't force others to walk in what they don't understand. It is a process, and that is made clear in several passages in the word. We can't even walk in what we don't understand! It's so very important that we seek HIM with our whole hearts.
The first and most important step is to accept Christ and Him crucified. That is why Paul said this:
1 Corinthians 2:1 And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.
1 Corinthians 2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
We can't make anyone comprehend anything, but we can point them to Jesus/Yeshua, and to the entirety of HIS word.
We can discuss and sharpen one another through the word, but we can not condemn.
Jesus is the one who lights our understanding, and HE did say, "seek and you shall find, Knock and the door shall be opened unto you." That is a promise.
I know enough in my own walk, that I have overcome certain things with HIM, and I am still overcoming other things as I continue in HIM and as HE reveals the things that need to go that in my own heart and my own life. I want to appear before HIM without spot on wrinkle. That should be the goal of every believer no matter how young they are in Christ.
We all have to get that understanding from HIM. We can't walk in what we don't understand. And Jesus told us how to do it.
I also know that He backs all of this up with HIS word.
John 6:33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
When people get only parts or half of the word, then it's evident in how they treat others through their own understanding.
I personally don't want half truths. I want the full counsel of God, so that I will be fully equipped to withstand the whiles of the devil.
Only God can give us the understanding we need to overcome.
Kind of removes all of the fighting and bickering between believers.
"Do it my way," comes from not understanding that It's GODS way that causes us to overcome. It's all there in the scriptures.
It all points back to God.
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I do not know how they will answer. but i will.
I am incapable of keeping the law in the way God demands it..
Gal 3:
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For as many as are of the works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law, to perform them.”
But I guess some of us think they can live by the law. and do ALL THE THINGS WRITTEN
I am incapable of keeping the law in the way God demands it..
Gal 3:
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For as many as are of the works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law, to perform them.”
But I guess some of us think they can live by the law. and do ALL THE THINGS WRITTEN
Amen sis. Exodus 18:19 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Hearken now unto my voice, I will give thee counsel, and God shall be with thee: Be thou for the people to God-ward, that thou mayest bring the causes unto God:
Psalm 1:1-2 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Hearken now unto my voice, I will give thee counsel, and God shall be with thee: Be thou for the people to God-ward, that thou mayest bring the causes unto God:
Psalm 1:1-2 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
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The old stuff is boring but this is what the Lord says: Stand at the crossroads and look; ask for the ancient paths, ask where the good way is, and walk in it, and you will find rest for your souls. But you said, ‘We will not walk in it.’ I appointed watchmen over you and said, ‘Listen to the sound of the trumpet!’ But you said, ‘We will not listen.’ Therefore hear, you nations; you who are witnesses, observe what will happen to them. Hear, you earth: I am bringing disaster on this people, the fruit of their schemes, because they have not listened to my words and have rejected my law.
And this is what the people said: Leave this way, get off this path, and stop confronting us with the Holy One of Israel!
We have the freedom to choose.
And this is what the people said: Leave this way, get off this path, and stop confronting us with the Holy One of Israel!
We have the freedom to choose.
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I agree.
and the law does all this. it is the schoolmaster who leads us to christ.
but what does the law do after this?
all it can do is ocntinue to show us our continued need for Christ and total unworthyness, because it keeps showing us our sin.
however, it does not show us how not to sin. ONLY that we ARE STILL SINNING.
there is a way to overcome sin. and it is not the law..
and the law does all this. it is the schoolmaster who leads us to christ.
but what does the law do after this?
all it can do is ocntinue to show us our continued need for Christ and total unworthyness, because it keeps showing us our sin.
however, it does not show us how not to sin. ONLY that we ARE STILL SINNING.
there is a way to overcome sin. and it is not the law..
I was thinking about Herosefromthedead, but I meant you. Haven't seen him for some time now. I like your signature verse, and that's the whole point of what I am endorsing. Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus,
I'll add more to it
Romans 8:2-4 (KJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Romans 7:14a (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For we know that the law is spiritual:
I'll add more to it
Romans 8:2-4 (KJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Romans 7:14a (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For we know that the law is spiritual:
I was in subjection to the law and incapable.
But then I came to the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, and by His Power and His Understanding He keeps me Righteous and walking in His Statutes. Whenever I look back to my own works I am completely unworthy and sinful. Just like Peter when he tried to walk on water to Jesus.
At the same time that I admitted my weakness (incapability) to the Lord and asked for His Help, He saved me and caused me to no longer be subject to the Ministration of Condemnation and Death. I am dead to that law.
But we are all in subjection to law. Some to the Law of Moses. Some to the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus. I am more and more convinced that we can't teach other the difference. Only the Holy Spirit can teach us these things.
But then I came to the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, and by His Power and His Understanding He keeps me Righteous and walking in His Statutes. Whenever I look back to my own works I am completely unworthy and sinful. Just like Peter when he tried to walk on water to Jesus.
At the same time that I admitted my weakness (incapability) to the Lord and asked for His Help, He saved me and caused me to no longer be subject to the Ministration of Condemnation and Death. I am dead to that law.
But we are all in subjection to law. Some to the Law of Moses. Some to the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus. I am more and more convinced that we can't teach other the difference. Only the Holy Spirit can teach us these things.
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And Yahweh actually agrees with David in Jeremiah 17: Cursed is the one who trusts in man, who draws strength from mere flesh and whose heart turns away from the Lord. That person will be like a bush in the wastelands; they will not see prosperity when it comes. They will dwell in the parched places of the desert, in a salt land where no one lives.“But blessed is the one who trusts in the Lord, whose confidence is in him. They will be like a tree planted by the water that sends out its roots by the stream. It does not fear when heat comes; its leaves are always green. It has no worries in a year of drought and never fails to bear fruit.”
More interesting is what He goes on to say in the same chapter verses 19-27.
More interesting is what He goes on to say in the same chapter verses 19-27.
I don't believe anyone is capable of keeping the law . . . and if one could no need for Christ. Christ redeemed us from the law.
Now: Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Where fore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come we are no longer under a schoolmaster. Galatians 21-25
Rom. 8:3-6 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, [HOW?] who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
To be carnally minded - are those that are after the flesh and do mind the things of the flesh and that is why they are not subject to the law of God - in other words they are not subject to the things of the Spirit because the Spirit of God doesn't dwell in them
To be spiritually minded - those that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit
We are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life bacause of righteousness. Romans 8:9,10
Now: Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Where fore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come we are no longer under a schoolmaster. Galatians 21-25
Rom. 8:3-6 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, [HOW?] who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
To be carnally minded - are those that are after the flesh and do mind the things of the flesh and that is why they are not subject to the law of God - in other words they are not subject to the things of the Spirit because the Spirit of God doesn't dwell in them
To be spiritually minded - those that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit
We are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life bacause of righteousness. Romans 8:9,10
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The law is so much more than what we have determined as the "Ten Commandments." That's just the beginning of Exodus chapters 20-23. The stone tablets were given after that starting in Exodus chapter 24. If one desires to get technical, the law describes how to exact the commandments. That is the difference between the Torah, and the Tanakh.
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The law is spiritual. It proves how condemned we are. And how worthy of death we are.
The law can not tell us how to be spiritual. We do this by following the law of LOVE. And the fruit of the spirit.
All the law can do is tell us when we are not following the fruit of the spirit. and the law of Love, and help to remind us that we need to stop thinking of self.
As I explained earlier. The carnal mind is focused on self. The spirit mind is focused on others. I do not need the law which says thou shalt not covet. to understand how to do Gods will. I just need to love my neighbor. And praise God he has blessed him in the way he has.
No law. Just love.
The law can not tell us how to be spiritual. We do this by following the law of LOVE. And the fruit of the spirit.
All the law can do is tell us when we are not following the fruit of the spirit. and the law of Love, and help to remind us that we need to stop thinking of self.
As I explained earlier. The carnal mind is focused on self. The spirit mind is focused on others. I do not need the law which says thou shalt not covet. to understand how to do Gods will. I just need to love my neighbor. And praise God he has blessed him in the way he has.
No law. Just love.
Re read Post# 153. I'm sorry if you can't get it. It's all God's words, not mine. I repeat "The reason that there is no law against the “fruit of the Spirit” is because it is the law and the prophets."
So ya, what law is not kept by the fruit of the Spirit?
So ya, what law is not kept by the fruit of the Spirit?
I asked what law is not kept by the fruit of the Spirit?
The fruit of the spirit is not the law and the prophets. The law and the prophets only talk about the fruit of the spirit.
Just like EG said. The Law only tells you what is righteous. It doesn't tell you how. The Lord Jesus and Paul tell us how.
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1. The torah is the first 5 books of the bible. And includes all of them.
2. People lived lives for God LONG before the law was given. They did not need the law. They understood. God loves me, so I have to love like him, and I will learn how not to sin. We have the same today. Yes we have it written. But we do not need it when we come to Christ any more than the people who did not have it before it was given.
why people want to go back to law. When the law can only condemn is beyond me.
2. People lived lives for God LONG before the law was given. They did not need the law. They understood. God loves me, so I have to love like him, and I will learn how not to sin. We have the same today. Yes we have it written. But we do not need it when we come to Christ any more than the people who did not have it before it was given.
why people want to go back to law. When the law can only condemn is beyond me.
Can't be done huh?
Luk 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the division of Abijah. His wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elizabeth.
Luk 1:6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
Looks like your opinion is diametrically opposed to the scriptures. I gotta go with Luke on this one.
Luk 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the division of Abijah. His wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elizabeth.
Luk 1:6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
Looks like your opinion is diametrically opposed to the scriptures. I gotta go with Luke on this one.
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yet no one goes around thinking to themselves I have to do this or I will get into trouble.
the mature and productive workers are about doing what they are their to do. Which is provide a product which the ceo would be proud of.
People who are so worried and continually look at the "do nots" of the laws. Are so worried about not doing it. They do not have time to do what they need to do. And 95 % of them, are going around telling everyone how good they are and how much the ceo must love them because they are not doing the things the cea tells them to do. When their productivity is next to nothing, they are seen as prideful and arrogant.. Other people have to take up the slack. And the whole workplace suffers.
This is what focusing on the law does to the body of Christ. It causes it to suffer. And prevents people from seeing the real truth of what God wants, and causes the rest of the body to work twice as hard to take up the slack of the one so worried about not doing something God said not to do. Instead of focusing on what NEEDS to be done.
the mature and productive workers are about doing what they are their to do. Which is provide a product which the ceo would be proud of.
People who are so worried and continually look at the "do nots" of the laws. Are so worried about not doing it. They do not have time to do what they need to do. And 95 % of them, are going around telling everyone how good they are and how much the ceo must love them because they are not doing the things the cea tells them to do. When their productivity is next to nothing, they are seen as prideful and arrogant.. Other people have to take up the slack. And the whole workplace suffers.
This is what focusing on the law does to the body of Christ. It causes it to suffer. And prevents people from seeing the real truth of what God wants, and causes the rest of the body to work twice as hard to take up the slack of the one so worried about not doing something God said not to do. Instead of focusing on what NEEDS to be done.
And both always refereed to the scriptures that were in existence during their ministry. They got their point across by saying "as it is written." I understand what you are saying, but if a person cannot be subject to the law, what does that say about that person according to Paul? I'm not talking about performance, I'm talking about understanding. The Bible says that there is no law against the fruit of the Spirit, and I agreed. By agreeing with that doesn't make them my words, they are God's words. The spiritual mind can tell a person how. That comes from within, not from another.
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