What makes it impossible for a carnal mind to be subject to the law?

[eternally-gratefull]

EG and Gramps are wonderful people of God with a good command of scripture. I would bet if we met them we would only admire all they are. But they are being used by demons in just one way----they are teaching against reading the written law.

No we are not.

We are teaching use the law for what it was supposed to do. Then once it has served its purpose. Focus and concentrate on how to live like Christ.

It isn't affecting their walk with the Lord, both speak for the law just from a different angle. Getting rid of written law is being used by our churches to weaken it, as it allows acceptance of what is sinful to enter our churches. It is part of what we are told to expect in the last days.

I see no churches who do this. If you can show me one, please do. I would speak against it with the same ferocity I am speaking against judiazers who preach law as the means to learn how to live righteousness, and reject grace and love as the means.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It is obvious that you disagree with this scripture then.

Romans 8:4-8 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

I'm done striving. I've done all I can do for your benefit, but you refuse. I'm saddened with your reactions.

You have done nothing for my benefit.

I refuse to puff myself up as yuo do as being a follower of the law. And being as you call it "being subject to the law" which as paul says only produces fear and anxiety.

I am NOT done confronting you with truth. You have refused to answer my question. That alone proves to me that you have alterior motives, and are not even looking at the truth, because you have no desire to.

If you want to live in fear and preach fear. go right ahead. But expect me to get in your way every chance I get!

I have seen the damage and destruction people like you have done to Gods work. Gods word. and his church. And I will allow God to use me to fight this evil any way he can!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I see less and less scripture is quoted and more and more human reasoning is used to speak against the law. This is normal.

I see lots of scripture taken out of context. And refusal to ask questions. And continued attempts to force people to be under law.

God did not want this, if you think he did, You have not read the NT

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Just-me,

If you do not mind, I would like to answer these. My answers in blue

What is the inward man? The flesh. Self focused. All based on self

What does it mean to be a living sacrifice? to reject self. To humble self. And to sacrificially serve others

What does it mean to be dead to sin? The law has no power over me, I am able to live for the serving of others. And no longer serve self (sin)

What does it mean to be dead to the law? The law can not condemn me anymore. Because even if I sin (and I will) the penalty of the aw was taken by CHrist on the cross. Ths I no longer live in fear. But live in aw of a great God and father who through his mercy, has sent his son to die for me. that I will spend eternity with him, even though according to the law, I deserve nothing but eternal judgment

What does it mean to walk by faith? To trust God that serving others, And having a Christlike attitude. God will give me the strength and the power to be a servant. And that I do not have to worry about taking care of myself. God will take care of me. Thus, I do not have to serve self to be satisfied. In fact, I will be satisfied ONLY by serving others. As Christ did

What is the law of faith? The law that trusts God in everything we do. And trusting him to give us the tools necessary to do these things.

What does it mean that we know no man after the flesh? Not sure what your asking here

What does it mean that we are not to war after the flesh? It means that our self serving human nature is at war with the new nature God gave us to be others serving. And we should not focus on fighting the flesh. We should focus on serving others (the spirit) and we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.

I am reading your posts, I don't know what your thoughts are according to these things?

What do you say this verse means;

Galatians 2:21
I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

If we are made right with God by the law. Then Christ did not need to come. For we could save ourselves by living out the requirements of the law.

Are we made alive, and are we made free so that we can turn to our flesh and be consumed with it or be consumed by it, over the work of the Spirit?

Those who turn to the flesh, and are weak, are those paul spoke of who are babies, And need milk because they can not digest the meat of the word. Those who focus so much on the basic words of God (the gospel. the law, etc etc) are never able to Grow. because they have the gist of salvation down. But they are to busy trying to be righteous by the law. They are not able to focus on the spirit, and others. Because they are to focused on self. and how good they are or are not. We are not to do this. But we are to look forward, and grow in the grace and knowledge of Christ by studying his life. The life of the Apostles. and OT prophets and great leaders. Who focused on serving others, and not self. (although they were great sinners, as God showed us with many of them)

Sin dwells in our flesh, it wants to be your master, put you in bondage to trying to clean it up by carnalizing God's law, God's word, work and gifts in Christ. You do not know your identity as God declares, you are dead 'it is not I that live'. God had to kill you, to allow Christ to be your life, crucified, living sacrifice, Christ be formed in you, God was manifest in the flesh, this is a part of the mystery program pertaining to the church the body of Christ. Awake to righteousness, Jesus calls us to rest in Him, He is faithful.

Eph 5:14
Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

well said, this is a forward, others thinking faith in the word of God. and what really matters to the true children of God

 

[just-me]

Just-me,

What is the inward man?

The motivation of a person

What does it mean to be a living sacrifice?

Give yourself up unto all God has ever said. Luke 9:23-24 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.

What does it mean to be dead to sin?

Dying daily as in 1 Corinthians 15:31 (KJV)
[SUP]31 [/SUP]I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.

What does it mean to be dead to the law?

599. apothnesko ap-oth-nace'-ko from 575 and 2348; to die off (literally or figuratively):--be dead, death, die, lie a-dying, be slain (X with).

It means to die off to the carnal aspects. The law doesn't die, we do by presenting ourselves as a sacrifice, as I previously mentioned. Being dead to the law, is not changing it, or negating it, it is repenting, and living by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. That's the way to live because we are dead to the law.
Romans 7:9-12 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

What does it mean to walk by faith?

Don't use carnal insight. 2 Corinthians 5:7 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP](For we walk by faith, not by sight)
Habakkuk 2:3-4 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak, and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.

What is the law of faith?

Romans 3:27-28 (KJV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP]Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

What does it mean that we know no man after the flesh?

"Are become" is both present and future tense.
2 Corinthians 5:16-17 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things "are become" new.
Mark 16:19 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

What does it mean that we are not to war after the flesh?

It means we war against it, not like the carnal flesh does it. We war against the principalities of darkness.2 Corinthians 10:3-5 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
[SUP]4 [/SUP](For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

Ephesians 6:11-12 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

I am reading your posts, I don't know what your thoughts are according to these things?

What do you say this verse means;

Galatians 2:21
I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Romans 9:32 (KJV)
[SUP]32 [/SUP]Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
Isaiah 8:14-15 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And many among them shall stumble, and fall, and be broken, and be snared, and be taken.

Are we made alive, and are we made free so that we can turn to our flesh and be consumed with it or be consumed by it, over the work of the Spirit?

Sin dwells in our flesh, it wants to be your master, put you in bondage to trying to clean it up by carnalizing God's law, God's word, work and gifts in Christ. You do not know your identity as God declares, you are dead 'it is not I that live'. God had to kill you, to allow Christ to be your life, crucified, living sacrifice, Christ be formed in you, God was manifest in the flesh, this is a part of the mystery program pertaining to the church the body of Christ. Awake to righteousness, Jesus calls us to rest in Him, He is faithful.

Eph 5:14
Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

Agreed. Leviticus 24:2 (KJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Command the children of Israel, that they bring unto thee pure oil olive beaten for the light, to cause the lamps to burn continually.

Christ was beaten, and He is the light. He prayed mostly while on the mount of olives. Spiritual relevance

 

[just-me]

There was once a very rich family that lived in a beautiful home. They were rich enough to have servants. These servants would prepare food for them. When the family sat down to eat, they only ate what was pleasing to their taste. The rest of the food was thrown in the garbage by them secretly as not to make the servants feel angry or sad, for they enjoyed making them feel good because of their fear that they would leave and find other employment.In time the family started suffering from malnutrition so severe that they all became sick. The servants noticed that they were sick, and began force feeding each member, but to their dismay, each one in the family would not eat any food that would make them well because they knew that the servants would find out what they had been doing for years by throwing the food away. They did not know that the servants already knew, and that they were continuing to minister food to them because of their love for the family. In time the servants found that there was none of the family left to feed because they were all dead.In hell, they were confined to a beautiful dining room setting with all the food that anyone could imagine for a balanced diet, but they were suffering more there from malnutrition than while they were alive on earth. You see, they all had both of their arms in casts, and couldn’t bend their arms so they could eat. It was kind of like a worm, or curse that they had woven during their life. They moaned in pain and stomach cramps, for they could no longer eat what they desired either.Remembering the story in the Bible of the poor man in heaven and the rich man in hell, the same setting of the dining room table as they had was seen. But in heaven, all those there were completely nourished as if there were no casts on the arms of the people there. Everyone was happy and content, for they had learned on earth how to feed each other. By this vision, their sorrow grew more intense, for they were all too proud to do the same thing, for that self centered practice was deeply ingrained in their hearts while they were still on earth.As believers in Christ Jesus, have we learned to accept the truths that have been confirmed in our fellow Christians, or are we too proud? Are we content to consume only Biblical truths that taste good? Are we suffering from Spiritual malnutrition? If so, you may not be a Christian. Food for thought.Written by: Unknown​

 

[Grandpa]

Well EG and Gramps, how about explaining this to me? Perhaps you can tell me how I am misunderstanding this...

1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

I keep thinking that John says that keeping the Commandments is the love of God. Explain to me why it isn't true.

Which of the commandments aren't kept by the fruit of the Spirit? Answer - none

Which of the commandments are kept by your carnal will and flesh? Answer - none

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Which of the commandments aren't kept by the fruit of the Spirit? Answer - none

Which of the commandments are kept by your carnal will and flesh? Answer - none

they do not understand that trying to follow the do not do commands of the law can ONLY be accomplished by self will, and the flesh.

And they probably do not want to give them up because they think they are doing a good job. Where if they actually saw their lives from Gods perspective they would probably be mortified by just how unrighteous they (and all of us) really are. and how totally useless the do not commands of the bible are in making us live Christlike lives of servanthood.

 

[Grandpa]

EG and Gramps are wonderful people of God with a good command of scripture. I would bet if we met them we would only admire all they are. But they are being used by demons in just one way----they are teaching against reading the written law.

It isn't affecting their walk with the Lord, both speak for the law just from a different angle. Getting rid of written law is being used by our churches to weaken it, as it allows acceptance of what is sinful to enter our churches. It is part of what we are told to expect in the last days.

Teaching against reading the written law? The written law has its place. Its just not for Christians. We are under Grace.

1 Timothy 1:8-11
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
[SUP]11 [/SUP]According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

What is that lawful use?

Galatians 3:23-25

[SUP]23 [/SUP]But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

The laws lawful use is to bring people who don't have faith, to Christ.

But after that faith is come, we are no longer under that schoolmaster.


The fallacy of the thinking of all the lawyers, like RedTent, is that if you don't study the written law you will fall into sin and allow sin to abound. But that is not what the bible says. The bible actually says the opposite. That the law causes sin to abound. The only way to have victory over sin is our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

I don't know a whole lot about demons. I do find it a little strange that I try to bring the focus away from all the carnal law keeping and back to the Lord Jesus Christ and that is going to be called being used by demons. Its been my experience that demons don't stick around long after the name of Jesus Christ is mentioned.

It must be frustrating for them to not be able to get a person to go back into that yoke of bondage in which it was so easy to mire them up... It must take quite a special understanding to be able to say to the whole world that Christians aren't under the law but under Grace, and actually mean it.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

It was for you to see the focus, not to negate that through Jesus there is a better covenant, and a complete one. Many say that the old covenant is past, but the new involves the old covenant. What is vanished is the physical, and the complete spiritual in is effect through Christ Jesus. Like the relevance of the temple being within us now, because Jesus built that one, and not man. The verses with the added words of "covenant" in the scripture I gave originally refer to this new temple.

Nope it has to do with the covenant. And the old covenant has been fulfilled - completed. Did you read my response to your focus of it being the temple?

This is prophecy come to past. Jeremiah 31:31-33 (KJV)
[SUP]31 [/SUP]Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
[SUP]32 [/SUP]Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
[SUP]33 [/SUP]But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

I know.

1 Corinthians 2:13-14 (KJV) [SUP]13 [/SUP]Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. (And the law is spiritual according to Romans 7:14)
[SUP]
14 [/SUP]But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

In summary. Leviticus 26:9-13 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For I will have respect unto you, and make you fruitful, and multiply you, and establish my covenant with you.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And ye shall eat old store, and bring forth the old because of the new.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And I will set my tabernacle among you: and my soul shall not abhor you.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And I will walk among you, and will be your God, and ye shall be my people.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]I am the LORD your God, which brought you forth out of the land of Egypt, that ye should not be their bondmen; and I have broken the bands of your yoke, and made you go upright.

All the law only keeps people in bondage, under a heavy yoke one that does not save because if it did - no need for Jesus Christ. Should we submit to God in obedience? - AMEN But we do not have to do sacrifices and offerings, we don't have to worry about what we eat as long as it is eaten with thanksgiving, etc. For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. Galatians 2:21

I'm sorry just-me but it is hard to follow your post.

 

[Grandpa]

Do I see this right that you believe there is another law that replaces the first law?

Isaiah 29:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?

What's the difference in what you are saying about your carnal understanding of the law and Judaism?

Those who are under the law are spritiual and those who aren't are carnal?

You have a really mixed up understanding of what is spiritual and what is carnal.

A carnal mind is not subject to the law of God because the flesh and carnality is not under God. The Law is spiritual and it is only by the Spirit that it is kept.

Romans 8:2-5
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

Whats the law of sin and death?

2 Corinthians 3:6-8

[SUP]6 [/SUP]Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
[SUP]8 [/SUP]How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

The Letter Kills. The Ministration of Death and Condemnation points out sin and kills.

The Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus is diametrically opposed to this. How? By the Spirit.

 

[chubbena]

I see lots of scripture taken out of context. And refusal to ask questions. And continued attempts to force people to be under law.

God did not want this, if you think he did, You have not read the NT

I have not read the NT like you do that's for sure. Only in the last 50 years have the understanding of the law changed. The reformers, the Puritans and the revivalists in the 16th and 18th centuries were for the 10 commandments and had a clear understanding of the books of Romans and Galatians. There's a reason for the change in understanding - the great falling away.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I have not read the NT like you do that's for sure. Only in the last 50 years have the understanding of the law changed. The reformers, the Puritans and the revivalists in the 16th and 18th centuries were for the 10 commandments and had a clear understanding of the books of Romans and Galatians. There's a reason for the change in understanding - the great falling away.

This is true.

But it still does not negate the fact we learn the law of Christ. Not by following the do nots. But by following the law of love.

Sin comes from satisfying self. no matter who you hurt, even if it is not doing what you know is right to help someone. The law of Christ is outward focused. If we are focused on allowing God to use us to serve others. We will not follow the flesh.

the problem is not not following the law. The problem is the flesh is strong, And we must grow stronger in Christ to resist it. And this does nto happen over night. And will never be perfect. Which is why we will never be sinless.

 

[Wildflower]

The motivation of a person -



Spiritual relevance

Just-me,

hello and thank you. I have not had a chance to go over your post, but I just want to respond to thank you for your time, considration and response. I am delighted and I thought I should answer my own questions along with responding to your post, that would be interesting & fun to me. Plus, I think it is good to share our thoughts as we examine ourselves and each other. It will take me some time as I have to look up all the scripture you referenced and then take note of the scripture that comes into my mind, then look that up, OCD much


Have a good night, not sure I will respond tonight. God bless you.

 

[chubbena]

This is true.

But it still does not negate the fact we learn the law of Christ. Not by following the do nots. But by following the law of love.

Sin comes from satisfying self. no matter who you hurt, even if it is not doing what you know is right to help someone. The law of Christ is outward focused. If we are focused on allowing God to use us to serve others. We will not follow the flesh.

the problem is not not following the law. The problem is the flesh is strong, And we must grow stronger in Christ to resist it. And this does nto happen over night. And will never be perfect. Which is why we will never be sinless.

Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. That's Paul saying what to not do.
To offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God - this is your spiritual act of worship. That's Paul saying what to do.
There is still much to do and do not do in the so called NT to love God and to help oneself. If one is not good at helping himself, how could he help others?
One can and will be perfect and be sinless by the cleansing of His blood and by obedience to the Holy Spirit because Yeshua Paul and Peter would not lie.

 

[just-me]

Teaching against reading the written law? The written law has its place. Its just not for Christians. We are under Grace.

I got a request. I clearly believe that there are at least 3 people (including yourself) who have contributed to this thread, that think that I am not a Christian, because I esteem the law beneficial for myself. Would you be so kind as to lead me to the Christian life?

1 Corinthians 9:19-23 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
[SUP]21 [/SUP]To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.

 

[just-me]

Nope it has to do with the covenant. And the old covenant has been fulfilled - completed. Did you read my response to your focus of it being the temple?

I know.
All the law only keeps people in bondage, under a heavy yoke one that does not save because if it did - no need for Jesus Christ. Should we submit to God in obedience? - AMEN But we do not have to do sacrifices and offerings, we don't have to worry about what we eat as long as it is eaten with thanksgiving, etc. For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. Galatians 2:21

I'm sorry just-me but it is hard to follow your post.

Thank you for your input. It is good to know where others stand on their beliefs. You said we do not have to have to do sacrifices and offerings. You are right that physically, with grain and animals, are no laonger needed, and that's why I focused on the new temple being and built by Jesus Christ. Yet in the New, we still sacrifice and offer in parable, or allegory to know the heart that is acceptable unto God.

This is the old.
Hebrews 9:8-9 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;

This is the new.
Romans 12:1 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

1 Peter 2:5 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

Galatians 4:21-28 (KJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
[SUP]22 [/SUP]For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

1 John 2:7-8 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth.

I hope and pray that you can understand the old is dark, and the new is light. Viva la the difference in comparison. By not studying the old, we cannot fully appreciate the new.

John 2:19 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

Exodus 15:22-25 (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP]So Moses brought Israel from the Red sea, and they went out into the wilderness of Shur; and they went three days in the wilderness, and found no water.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And when they came to Marah, they could not drink of the waters of Marah, for they were bitter: therefore the name of it was called Marah.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]And the people murmured against Moses, saying, What shall we drink?
[SUP]25 [/SUP]And he cried unto the LORD; and the LORD shewed him a tree, which when he had cast into the waters, the waters were made sweet: there he made for them a statute and an ordinance, and there he proved them,

John 4:10 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.

 

[just-me]

1 Samuel 15:22 (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP]And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.

 

[john832]

if my mind is focused on God. I would not. And neither would you.

Our problem is our minds are not focused on God 24/7. So as paul says, We will sin, because we think of self not God.

Stop twisting my words.

Yet Paul said that he still did. Unless you consider yourself a far better Christian than Paul, there is a lesson there to be learned.

 

[Brother_Don]

The Almighty LORD will speak to the hearts of His children. in my opinion if the heart is telling us we don't need to obey the Word, then it's not the Holy Spirit in the heart. The commandments are not hard to follow, unless we make it hard. So to say people that teach obeying law is putting a burden on people, is goofy, its not a burden its a blessing when obeyed. Misery likes company and wants to keep us down. Living by the law doesn't tell us we won't have bumps in the road, but even with the bumps and potholes, its easy street, it might feel like an obstacle course at times, but The Almighty brings us through. Christ Jesus is the way, even when the way looks bumpy.