What makes it impossible for a carnal mind to be subject to the law?
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Gathering firstfruits are in the Mosaic law.
Leviticus 23:10 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest:
When we are born again, we enter into the land of promise. Recognizing this is being subject to the law. This is just very little of a very big picture.
Resurrection, Spiritual completeness, and our Father's perfection is what I would call the seven Spirits of God in Revelation 4:5 One might think that these attributes are only the offerings made by Christ Jesus, and our Father in heaven. These offerings are a representation of God’s children carrying the understanding in their heart, for God causes the faithful to complete things as He has previously determined. In James 2:20 a rhetorical question is asked, helping us to understand that faith is the motivator of completing this plan via good works saying; “But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?” Through faith we know, and revere the handiwork of God, recognizing our Father’s perfection. So we can see that the seven lambs offered during trumpets, and atonement, represent the indwelling Spirit of our Lord within His elect. We now have a sincere reason to yearn, as did Paul, when we read Romans 8:23. “And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.” After the Feast of Unleavened Bread, seven weeks are counted for the feast of weeks, beginning with the harvest of firstfruits within this time frame. Also the fifty days counted, beginning in the first month, represent the Holy Spirit, and Pentecost. The fifteenth day of the first month beings the Feast of Unleavened Bread, and is the same day that the Feast of Tabernacles begins in the seventh month. It’s amazing to me how the number seven continues to pop up in relation to the Holy Spirit of God, all centered upon Jesus Christ. So in James 1:18 we can relate the seven lambs to the firstfruits of His plan. It reads “ Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.” It’s better to confess to the Truth while you’re still alive rather than after you’re dead, “For it is written” in Romans 14:11, and Philippians 2:11b “As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”
Leviticus 23:10 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest:
When we are born again, we enter into the land of promise. Recognizing this is being subject to the law. This is just very little of a very big picture.
Resurrection, Spiritual completeness, and our Father's perfection is what I would call the seven Spirits of God in Revelation 4:5 One might think that these attributes are only the offerings made by Christ Jesus, and our Father in heaven. These offerings are a representation of God’s children carrying the understanding in their heart, for God causes the faithful to complete things as He has previously determined. In James 2:20 a rhetorical question is asked, helping us to understand that faith is the motivator of completing this plan via good works saying; “But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?” Through faith we know, and revere the handiwork of God, recognizing our Father’s perfection. So we can see that the seven lambs offered during trumpets, and atonement, represent the indwelling Spirit of our Lord within His elect. We now have a sincere reason to yearn, as did Paul, when we read Romans 8:23. “And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.” After the Feast of Unleavened Bread, seven weeks are counted for the feast of weeks, beginning with the harvest of firstfruits within this time frame. Also the fifty days counted, beginning in the first month, represent the Holy Spirit, and Pentecost. The fifteenth day of the first month beings the Feast of Unleavened Bread, and is the same day that the Feast of Tabernacles begins in the seventh month. It’s amazing to me how the number seven continues to pop up in relation to the Holy Spirit of God, all centered upon Jesus Christ. So in James 1:18 we can relate the seven lambs to the firstfruits of His plan. It reads “ Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.” It’s better to confess to the Truth while you’re still alive rather than after you’re dead, “For it is written” in Romans 14:11, and Philippians 2:11b “As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”
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I thought the subject had changed in Post # 305 - quote: As I said types and foreshadows of things to come - better things. We now have the gift of holy Spirit, we have God in Christ in us and out of our belly shall flow rivers of living water. Your response in #309:
So I responded with the subject change. And again you tried to bring it back to the temple in post #311. Did I say that the temple has little to do with shadows? I am trying to keep to the topic of covenants/law. Lol - you keep bringing up the temple.
So I responded with the subject change. And again you tried to bring it back to the temple in post #311. Did I say that the temple has little to do with shadows? I am trying to keep to the topic of covenants/law. Lol - you keep bringing up the temple.
I thought the subject had changed in Post # 305 - quote: As I said types and foreshadows of things to come - better things. We now have the gift of holy Spirit, we have God in Christ in us and out of our belly shall flow rivers of living water. Your response in #309:
So I responded with the subject change. And again you tried to bring it back to the temple in post #311. Did I say that the temple has little to do with shadows? I am trying to keep to the topic of covenants/law. Lol - you keep bringing up the temple.
So I responded with the subject change. And again you tried to bring it back to the temple in post #311. Did I say that the temple has little to do with shadows? I am trying to keep to the topic of covenants/law. Lol - you keep bringing up the temple.
Mercy?
Hosea 6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.
Matthew 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Matthew 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
So please extrapolate what these verses mean? Thank you, you have much insight
Hosea 6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.
Matthew 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Matthew 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
So please extrapolate what these verses mean? Thank you, you have much insight
With obedience comes mercy. vain worship is an abomination unto God.
1 Samuel 15:22 (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP]And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.
Proverbs 17:1 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Better is a dry morsel, and quietness therewith, than an house full of sacrifices with strife.
Isaiah 1:5 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Why should ye be stricken any more? ye will revolt more and more: the whole head is sick, and the whole heart faint.
Isaiah 1:10-15 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.
1 Samuel 15:22 (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP]And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.
Proverbs 17:1 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Better is a dry morsel, and quietness therewith, than an house full of sacrifices with strife.
Isaiah 1:5 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Why should ye be stricken any more? ye will revolt more and more: the whole head is sick, and the whole heart faint.
Isaiah 1:10-15 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.
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Spiritually, THANK YOU LORD< THANK YOU< THANK YOU< THANK YOU
What other response is there physical, okay Lord I can be perfect and do as you command, NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! perfectly anyway ever and if anyone one of us could then would we need God?
Are we not born God's knowing good and evil after the similitude of Adam and Eve, choosing self first over neighbor killing in order to not be killed
The difference is big, To focus on literal or Spiritual truth, one sets one free the other shows us our bondage in the flesh and by trying to be perfect keeps one in bondage to flesh
Christ alone is the answer
What other response is there physical, okay Lord I can be perfect and do as you command, NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! perfectly anyway ever and if anyone one of us could then would we need God?
Are we not born God's knowing good and evil after the similitude of Adam and Eve, choosing self first over neighbor killing in order to not be killed
The difference is big, To focus on literal or Spiritual truth, one sets one free the other shows us our bondage in the flesh and by trying to be perfect keeps one in bondage to flesh
Christ alone is the answer
Homewardbound
"Your new moons" is ones own light without the true light. Gods says "your" and "your." in metaphor, The moon was made to reflect the greater light, as we are required to do spiritually. Through Jesus, we are the reflection of the true light of God. In reality, If I reveal myself without the true light, I have no light. I will have to talk vain talk for others to see my fictitious light rather than God's, while endorsing my principles and then call it God's. It's blaspheme against the true light.
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And Christ came to give us life, and this life is in the Spirit that man was dead to , born this way from the similitude of Adam and Eve.
John 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
Who is the thief today, or what is the thief today since by the cross the Devil is judged, condemned?
Flesh is that it? in need of what? Born of the Spirit of God, right? Is that for uis here today or does one have to be literally dead?
I think not, since the disciples had to wait for the spirit of God to come upon them, is this not for us too?
John 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
Who is the thief today, or what is the thief today since by the cross the Devil is judged, condemned?
Flesh is that it? in need of what? Born of the Spirit of God, right? Is that for uis here today or does one have to be literally dead?
I think not, since the disciples had to wait for the spirit of God to come upon them, is this not for us too?
The same mistake the Israelites made after they entered the promised land. They errored before, and after. Anybody over the age of 20 died except Joshua and Caleb before they entered the promised land. After they entered the promised land they errored against the law again and again. There is nothing wrong with chubbena's statement. You are relating before, and he is relating after. I'm sure you have read about the numerous judgement of God in Judges and other books in the OT relating teh history of the Israelites straying from the truth over and over again after they entered the promised land.
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