What makes it impossible for a carnal mind to be subject to the law?

[homwardbound]

The fruits of the spirit is telling us what a life in Christ brings about, it not a cause of anything. Making it a cause is adding human reasoning to scripture, we are to accept scripture not subject it to our reasonings.

It is true that if someone is interested enough in the Lord, the law can point out his need for God, but the law isn't designed to help the unsaved. It is given for the saved to guide him with love, Love that God gives us as a parent helps his child to grow, and telling us how to express love. It is to be within the family of God, not for outsiders.

I am sure that scripture's meaning of under law and your meaning of under law is absolute opposites. Trusting in Christ has absolutely nothing to do with law if you belong to Christ. Putting them together is for atheist to do, not Christians, with there "I don't need God, I am a good person".

does oil and water mix? Can you hold ten apples under water at the same time using just hands? Do you now see the purpose of Law, the first chosen did not know sin without the perfect Law, and by this they know they need God to be the lead.
There is the new Law, the Law of liberty, andc the old Law all stressed out trying to be perfect, when one is only perfect through Christ period
Col1:21-23 and is by Faith in God's finished work fro you through Christ alone, which Paul is made a minister

Colossians 1:21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
Colossians 1:23 if ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

 

[just-me]

If I am carnal and under the law, I cannot be subject to the law, and then in order not to be carnal I thought about becoming subject to the law but that puts me right back under the law. "Oh wretched man that I am, who will save me from the body of death." I have no alternative but to claim it as obsolete, and say "I shall not be moved!" Instead, just let's move the law into a different position even thought Christ offered to put me in a different position regarding the law. He is "Lord of the Sabbath" and I have no alternative but to reject the Sabbath for it is part of that nasty old law. I will attempt to be submissive to the Lord of the Sabbath without taking advantage of the Sabbath day that He made for me. If I do, I will be back under something I'm trying to make void. After all, isn't it ready to vanish away? Doesn't the Bible say that?

 

[homwardbound]

It is true that it is impossible for the carnal mind to be submissive or subject to the law of God. Not my words, but these are. I am not going to try to make the law subject to my liking. There is hell to pay if I even try.

Romans 8:3-8 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

From reading your posts, I am seeing you mixing the flesh and the Spirit of God as if they mix, when here in this post you show they do not mix, then in another post you post do the Law as in being in and of flesh
Do not know if you see this or not. But this talking out of two sides of one's mouth is not good. It is like a water fountain puts out sweet and sour water, when a water fountain can only put out one kind of water
Hope you see what I am saying to you, you are confusing

Tell me are you 100% frogiven by God the Father through Son Christ or not? is it finished from God the Father's standpoint or do we all have to do something more?

 

[homwardbound]

On the contrary, I think I am the weakest and the worst who needs mercy and His redemption because not only could I not obey the don'ts but also could not do the do's 100%. How do I know? Because I know the law. I know His standard. I know His law is perfect. I know carnal mind would not and could not subject to His law. I need the Holy Spirit.
Well, I believe some of us "Lawyers" have expressed similar one way or the other but no, you wouldn't let those upholding the law in peace. You have to make wars with them.
We shall see when the time comes what He's going to say.

And the war goes on as been from the:
Galatians 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

 

[homwardbound]

It begins with:

My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments.

How you doing with keeping them, perfect yet? will you be perfect ever from the perfect Law?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If I am carnal and under the law, I cannot be subject to the law, and then in order not to be carnal I thought about becoming subject to the law but that puts me right back under the law. "Oh wretched man that I am, who will save me from the body of death." I have no alternative but to claim it as obsolete, and say "I shall not be moved!" Instead, just let's move the law into a different position even thought Christ offered to put me in a different position regarding the law. He is "Lord of the Sabbath" and I have no alternative but to reject the Sabbath for it is part of that nasty old law. I will attempt to be submissive to the Lord of the Sabbath without taking advantage of the Sabbath day that He made for me. If I do, I will be back under something I'm trying to make void. After all, isn't it ready to vanish away? Doesn't the Bible say that?

lol..Is this what you really think? You have an odd way of saying things.

The law says to keep the sabbath., It also said that only priest could eat the showbread, and only under certain circumstances.

According to the law. ALL breakers of the sabbath, and anyone who ate the showbread who was not a priest would suffer death (the penalty of sin (breaking the law) is death.

Jesus explains what it means when he says we are not subject to the law.

1. The penatly of death was removed (by him)
2. The law, even though perfect and right, Has times when it can be broken, yet not be sin (ie david eating the showbread, and working to serve others on the sabbath)

We must think. If King david (a man after Gods own heart) was a strict law abider, and placed himself solely under the submission of the law. He and his army would have starved., For they would not even think of breaking Gods law. But the law was not even on his mind, doing the work of God was. Which is more important? the work of God? or following his law

As I have said a few times. God wants us to think about what he wants to do. Not be held in subjection and bondage to the law. Which will never make anyone righteous.

 

[just-me]

I am not sure you see the agreement we are subject to Law, the new Laws of Love to all
Hebrews 7:11-12

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]11 [/SUP]If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? [SUP]12[/SUP]For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

This thread is referring to the writings of Paul concerning subjection. These words of a "carnal mind" that is not able to be subject to the law, are not mine. If the law is spiritual (another writing of Paul) it must be seen in the Spirit. If we are unable to do that, it is proof that we have a canal mind. In your opinion, what change is in the law other than the priesthood now being of the tribe of Judah? Wasn't that transfer on the mount of transfiguration? I don't read any other change to the law.

Hebrews 7:12-16 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

"Carnal commandment" refers to the carnal, fleshly mind. The carnal mind has no alternative other than to view the law physically. They haven't the Spirit to make them see it as God originally intended from the beginning. If Jesus is the creator of all, He also gave Moses the law.
John 1:1 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Mark 3:25 (KJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.

Is the law divided from Jesus?

 

[homwardbound]

God's law is spiritual Romans 7:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Galatians 3:19-21 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

Then why are you under it? Has it not served its purpose in showing you your need for new life in the Spirit of God and none other by the Mercy and not Law of God.
The Law is perfect but I this flesh is not, and the Law shows me my need of belief in Father through Son
Is this truth or error?

 

[homwardbound]

context my friend, context 1 Timothy 1:8 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;

Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! how you doing with that are you using it lawfully? Are you perfect before God as Christ is? Will you ever be perfect working at it?

 

[homwardbound]

Not under the Law in the sense that it no longer carries the threat of the Death Penalty because Christ forgives us the transgression of His Law.

If one is no longer subject to the Law then killing, lying, committing adultery, etc is no longer sin. Paul says that he knew what sin is by the Law, if the law is no longer in force, then there is no longer sin...

Rom 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

So, there is no longer sin if there is no longer any Law to point it out and describe it.

In Christ this is correct, he took it all away in his Father's sight, so Father sees us through Son as perfect, and we thus by the Holy Spirit given to us walk as Christ walked in total dependency on Father the same as Christ did here on earth, praying you transfer from death to life and be perfect though Chirst by Faith in his finished work for you that makes you perfect before Father, for you and me and all to give up self and be led by Father in the power of the new life given by Father to us to lead us.
Did not Christ say this is what he came to do? Give us life in the Spirit abundantly? Can anyone see the kingdom without the Spirit of Father living in us and through us, the us flesh dead oiut of the way by Faith belief inm waht Father has done through Son
true or false anyone?

 

[peacefulbeliever]

I think John the Baptist was in the line of Aaron the High Priest, or at least a Levite. He prepared the way of the Lord. Have you ever wondered why Moses and Elijah were there on the mount of transfiguration? Jesus is a descendant of Judah also being of the Israelites, and Jew in His case. It is also true that all of Jesus' ministry is Old Testament before His death. I agree that "covenant" is being talked about in Hebrews as we are relating to it. The reason I bring up the temple is that the physical has vanished, not the words of God that are both in the old and the new. If the the old covenant has vanished, then we have to admit that the words of God in those covenants also vanished. I can't go along with anything God has every said vanishes away. I can however go along with the physical temple vanishing. If God's old covenant words vanished along with the old temple, the same as the covenants being broken by the Israelites, these scriptures would be at odds with each other.

Deuteronomy 8:3 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.

Matthew 4:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

John 2:19 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.


Mark 14:58 (KJV)
[SUP]58 [/SUP]We heard him say, I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and within three days I will build another made without hands.

So I believe that the physical temple vanished but not any of God's words that any of the covenants contain.

When scripture says that "A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away"; that does not mean God's words vanish away. He gave his only begotten Son to set up a new and living way, ONE sacrifice to take away sins forever not the yearly sacrifices that did not purge us where we would have no more conscience of sin but brought back to remembrance those sins.

The "temple" he is speaking of here is his "body" and when he was raised glorified -holy Spirit was made available, the new birth which enables each born again believer becaome a part of his "body"; the temple made without hands.

Hebrews 8:13 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]In that he saith, A new "covenant," he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Again "covenant" is an added word that is not in the original text. It make sense to me if it said "Temple" and then it would be much more accurate in comparison to the beginning of the chapter that mentions sacrifices and animals and all that took pace in the temple made by hands. God doesn't reconnoiter any of what He has said in the past and say to Himself "I'll just try again another way." He's much more brilliant than that. The whole point I endorse is that the physical is gone, and the Spiritual is here, and God is Spirit. Our carnal is gone and the Spiritual is here.

Hebrews 8:2-4 (KJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP]A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:

See the relevance?

The reason the translators added the word covenant in v13 is because in 6 - 12, the covenant is being spoken of :
But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which is based upon better promises. For if that first covenant (the covenant that required a high priest to offer gifts and sacrifices) had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second (the better covenant)
These scriptures are comparing the two covenants - the first which was faulty to the second which is better.

The old Levitical law - Leviticus 16:33,34 And he (the high priest) shall make an atonement for the holy sanctuary, and he shall make an atonement for the tabernacle of the congregation, and for the altar, and he shall make an atonement for the priests, and for all the people of the congregation. And this shall be an everlasting statute unto you, to make an atonement for the children of Israel for all their sins once a year. And he did as the LORD commanded Moses. (everlasting - olam - can mean anything from always to a long duration, for ages and ages, indefinite, unending, for an indefinite period of time. It can also mean continuous, perpetual, eternity, and everlasting.) We know that the definition here should be for an indefinite period of time because it did end with Jesus Christ - because "this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God" Hebrews 10:12) and he is now our high priest - For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for usHebrews 9:24) - that is how he is the mediator of the better covenant! One sacrifice not "For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year." Heb. 10:1-3

Now where remission of these is, there is no more offereing for sin. Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; and having an high priest over the house of God; let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil consicience, and our bodies washed with pure water. Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised Hebrews 10:18-23

Hallelujah - Praise God for the sacrifice of his dear Son which brough about a better covenant, a new and living way!

 

[homwardbound]

Which Law is against the fruit of the Spirit?

The Law is perfect yet when it flows through one's flesh it shows one's inability to be perfect in and of self ever. we are in unredeemed flesh.
So what is the best thing to do with this unredeemed flesh? KILL IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! reckon it dead by the death of Christ in the flesh and be raised back to life in the resurrected Christ. justified in the Spirit of Father through Son only
And this is only done if one believes God has done this for you through Son

For no flesh pleases Father outside of Christ's period, so we are to walk by God's Spirit not our own dead one that is dead. God lives forever and we get to join in by God's Mercy not by being a Johnny do gooder ever.

Luke 18:10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
Luke 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
Luke 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
Luke 18:13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
Luke 18:14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

Love you as God just does John

 

[homwardbound]

OK, if you establish His Law by faith, then why do you seek to undermine and abolish it?

That depends on which Law you are talking about, the letter kills and the Spirit gives life and thus I, live by the Spirit of Faith in the Living God through the cross, I beleive god in this:
Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

I trust God in this statement from God through Paul, read it all from Col. 1:1-23 it is by Faith that we are saved, not by Law

 

[just-me]

That depends on which Law you are talking about, the letter kills and the Spirit gives life and thus I, live by the Spirit of Faith in the Living God through the cross, I beleive god in this:
Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

I trust God in this statement from God through Paul, read it all from Col. 1:1-23 it is by Faith that we are saved, not by Law

There is no difference in what God wrote, there is in what man writes. The letter of the law is only seeing the physical aspects of the words of God. The law of liberty is seeing the same law in the Spirit of truth. We are not saved by the law, but God uses it, and gave it for good reason. He wants us to stop seeing it in the flesh, but rather through the Spirit. If we are of a carnal mind, we will want it to change and vanish away because all we can see from it is conviction.

1 Timothy 1:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Knowing this, that the law (*3551) is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

*3551. nomos nom'-os from a primary nemo (to parcel out, especially food or grazing to animals); law (through the idea of prescriptive usage), genitive case (regulation), specially, (of Moses (including the volume); also of the Gospel), or figuratively (a principle):--law.

 

[homwardbound]

Oh, I see, it is a carnal understanding of the flesh tha tmust be avoided at all costs to believe that one should not kill? Not lie? Not steal? Not take God's holy name in vain?

Where do you get this stuff?

Under Law one tries to not, obey and be righteous, and does not see this:
Galatians 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

It matters not if one does not want to sin and is trying to not sin, sin just takes occasion by you trying not to sin.
Every time you wish to do good you sin right? And if you do not in this trying not to sin, ho\w does that make you feel, proud, boastful, holier that thou
See what flesh does, and why one need to reckon it dead since all sin has been condemned top flesh

Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

So I say go ahead and work out yuor own salvation in fear and trembling, and one day you will see the next verse
Philippians 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Philippians 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

 

[homwardbound]

You and I have very different understanding of the phrase "under the law". I have expressed my understanding several times and I'd do it again here.
There is law in Canada to keep people safe. I'm not under the law because I obey it. Do I brag about my law keeping? No I don't because it's natural for me and other law abiding citizens to keep. Do I uphold the law? Sure I do. So no one is under the law? Sure there are quite a few - some are in prison and some are on the run. Those on the run probably don't have peace but I can't speak for them.
I surely can speak for myself that I have peace even when I could not abide 100% because someone has paid for and will pay for what I have neglected and will possibly neglect in time to come.

by Christ all sins are paid for in Father's sight. So that Father can live in us to teach us how to walk by Faith and thus the Laws all are obeyed not by me, by Christ through me in the Spirit of Father the same Spirit that led Christ

 

[homwardbound]

God's law. It is also holy, just, and good. It reveals the character of out Father in heaven, because He gave it. Romans 7:12 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Does that answer your question? Is anyone saying there was a law against transgression before the creation? Was there love before creation in your opinion?

So when the perfect Law flows through your flesh what does that show you?

 

[just-me]

Under Law one tries to not, obey and be righteous, and does not see this:
Galatians 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

It matters not if one does not want to sin and is trying to not sin, sin just takes occasion by you trying not to sin.
Every time you wish to do good you sin right? And if you do not in this trying not to sin, ho\w does that make you feel, proud, boastful, holier that thou
See what flesh does, and why one need to reckon it dead since all sin has been condemned top flesh

Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

So I say go ahead and work out yuor own salvation in fear and trembling, and one day you will see the next verse
Philippians 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Philippians 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

The law is bigger than what we perceive in reality. There is creation which is part of a law, like the sun and the moon, and hot and cold weather, and the trees in bloom and grass growing. That's why Jesus taught in parables. The law doesn't change or have differences, God sent His only Son for us to see and believe it and be subject to it. Can we follow it with the mind of flesh, and still in this body of flesh? No, but we should want to follow it in Spirit. The carnal mind cannot do that because it has no desire to. You know as will as I do that if we take away anything, or add anything to what God has established in all He has ever said and done, it is sin. Jesus said Himself that He didn't come to destroy the law, but to fulfill it meaning make it complete.

Love happens when we reciprocate to God's love . Jesus said "if you love me keep my commandments," and as we said before, He gave the law to Moses because He is the creator of all things.

Romans 8:5-9 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

 

[john832]

So when the perfect Law flows through your flesh what does that show you?

Just what do you mean, perfect Law?

 

[homwardbound]

With obedience comes mercy. vain worship is an abomination unto God.

1 Samuel 15:22 (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP]And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.

Proverbs 17:1 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Better is a dry morsel, and quietness therewith, than an house full of sacrifices with strife.

Isaiah 1:5 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Why should ye be stricken any more? ye will revolt more and more: the whole head is sick, and the whole heart faint.


Isaiah 1:10-15 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.

Yes Vain worship is not from or of God and this masquerading of flesh is over in and through the finished work of God through Son. Time for truth to be revealed, Thank you Father for us all tom ,learn truth over error and worship you in the only way you can be worshiped today:
John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him
John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
John 14:17 even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

So flesh worship pleases God