Salvation Not Possible Without Works
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These deeds on the part of the person would seem to be reasonable. Otherwise, it is as you concluded.
Can one be a believer, if they have not performed 'to believe'?
Can one have confessed and repented, if they have not?
Although we have done nothing to be deserving of salvation, there are, however, things which need to be done on our side if we are to be a part of the Son's Covenant. Inasmuch as the Hebrews had to hearken, be not stubborn, learn His ways, we too must be active in our faith.
Can one be a believer, if they have not performed 'to believe'?
Can one have confessed and repented, if they have not?
Although we have done nothing to be deserving of salvation, there are, however, things which need to be done on our side if we are to be a part of the Son's Covenant. Inasmuch as the Hebrews had to hearken, be not stubborn, learn His ways, we too must be active in our faith.
John 6:27) Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed. 28 .) Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29 .) Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. 30 .) They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work? 31 .) Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.
32 .) Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven. 33 .) For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world. 34 .) Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread. 35 .) And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
36 .) But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not. 37 .) All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. 38 .) For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. 39 .) And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 .) And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Great passage of Scripture, sadly though, some will see this as saying "believing/faith" is a WORK........sigh.........when Jesus clearly says different...............He "gives" it to us................GIVES it to us..............we are GIVEN eternal life........
We can't EARN it.
32 .) Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven. 33 .) For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world. 34 .) Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread. 35 .) And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
36 .) But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not. 37 .) All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. 38 .) For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. 39 .) And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 .) And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Great passage of Scripture, sadly though, some will see this as saying "believing/faith" is a WORK........sigh.........when Jesus clearly says different...............He "gives" it to us................GIVES it to us..............we are GIVEN eternal life........
We can't EARN it.
Verse 28 "Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?"
They asked what work THEY DO. Jesus responded by NOT telling them "do nothing else you try and earn your salvation".
You would answer their question completely opposite from Jesus.
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wow.. Now your true insincerity shows forth. Can you actually tell me you can read the passage and believe what you just said?
What did Jesus tell them they had to do??
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?”
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”
So they ask. What work must I do.
Jesus answered. It Is Gods work which saves you (telling them they can do not work to save themselves. God must do all the work.)
if you would just humble yourself and look at the word. You would see there is NOTHING you can do to earn salvation or anything else. IT IS ALL GODS WORK
What did Jesus tell them they had to do??
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?”
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”
So they ask. What work must I do.
Jesus answered. It Is Gods work which saves you (telling them they can do not work to save themselves. God must do all the work.)
if you would just humble yourself and look at the word. You would see there is NOTHING you can do to earn salvation or anything else. IT IS ALL GODS WORK
No, the word "εις" is correct, for, or unto, lets look at another version :
Acts 2:38 (ASV)
And Peter said unto them, Repent ye, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ unto the remission of your sins; and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Acts 2:38 (ESV)
And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Acts 2:38 (RSV)
And Peter said to them, "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Acts 2:38 (YLT)
and Peter said unto them, `Reform, and be baptized each of you on the name of Jesus Christ, to remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit,
now show me one version that is translated "on account of"
Acts 2:38 (ASV)
And Peter said unto them, Repent ye, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ unto the remission of your sins; and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Acts 2:38 (ESV)
And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Acts 2:38 (RSV)
And Peter said to them, "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Acts 2:38 (YLT)
and Peter said unto them, `Reform, and be baptized each of you on the name of Jesus Christ, to remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit,
now show me one version that is translated "on account of"
It's funny how clearly one can see how blind you are, when even in the following sentence it clearly says why someone will be condemned. Not because they didn't get baptized, but because they didn't believe. I mean, its right there. It didn't say if they didn't get baptized they'd not have eternal life. No, it says if they don't believe they will be condemned. Right there. Right after the semicolon. You can't miss it. Well, I guess you just did, but it's right there.
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It's a heart issue. Some read isolated verses that say "faith alone" and run with it. They work harder at trying to "sell" that notion than the work required of God "Hear=obey.....Transliteration: shama ... summon (2), summoned (2), surely hear (1), surely heard (1), truly obey (1), .... n. obey, with accusative דבר(יםׅ Joshua 1:18 2t. + (׳י ׳ד) etc..
Our Creator asks nothing more than to humbly walk with Him. He has given us Words of life to live by, and demonstrated time and again how angry and disappointed He is with man that we would ignore His commands. He has given us instructions of love to protect us and asked, "choose life" shama..hear..obey..
He is the Almighty Creator..I am going to obey to the best of my ability with faith in Messiah's grace to keep me set apart by doing His will in this evil fallen world. One day all will obey Him or they will not be in His presence. There will be no alternative then, other than..well, you know.
Our Creator asks nothing more than to humbly walk with Him. He has given us Words of life to live by, and demonstrated time and again how angry and disappointed He is with man that we would ignore His commands. He has given us instructions of love to protect us and asked, "choose life" shama..hear..obey..
He is the Almighty Creator..I am going to obey to the best of my ability with faith in Messiah's grace to keep me set apart by doing His will in this evil fallen world. One day all will obey Him or they will not be in His presence. There will be no alternative then, other than..well, you know.
Who has said this? Your mind is creating imaginary opponents to your view, one of which is extreme. With every verse quoted, everyone says to the one who believes in Christ, they shall be saved. No one said an unbeliever can be saved without accepting Christ. No one. Again, I don't know what imaginary prism your mind is in, but come back to reality and see that we are promoting faith in Christ, as the sole means of salvation. Not only that, but so walk in Him also as you have accepted Him. By grace, through faith in Jesus Christ.
Might I also add, and using your own words to make a point, that the these people you just described are the people who get saved! Who does the Holy Spirit convict? The world... and let me word it this way.
The Holy Spirit convicts of sin, righteousness, and judgement to the unbeliever, the impenitent, the denier of Christ, the one lost in his unremitted/unforgiven sins. The very person you described is the one to whom He convicts. So, yes they can be saved!
As a sidenote, and an educational lesson for you, all the world's sins have already been dealt with at the cross. All of them. There is one sin that the Holy Spirit convicts them of, and its not their sins(as a plurality) but their sin of disbelief in Jesus Christ. So this talk of "one lost in his unremitted/unforgiven sins" is inaccurate. They are forgiven, they have been dealt with at the cross. Again, only one sin that is unforgivable and that is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, and what that is, is to deny Christ, because they are denying the conviction of the Holy Spirit. You deny Christ, then you've denied all that he has done for you. The only forgiveness for denying Christ, is in accepting Him.
Might I also add, and using your own words to make a point, that the these people you just described are the people who get saved! Who does the Holy Spirit convict? The world... and let me word it this way.
The Holy Spirit convicts of sin, righteousness, and judgement to the unbeliever, the impenitent, the denier of Christ, the one lost in his unremitted/unforgiven sins. The very person you described is the one to whom He convicts. So, yes they can be saved!
As a sidenote, and an educational lesson for you, all the world's sins have already been dealt with at the cross. All of them. There is one sin that the Holy Spirit convicts them of, and its not their sins(as a plurality) but their sin of disbelief in Jesus Christ. So this talk of "one lost in his unremitted/unforgiven sins" is inaccurate. They are forgiven, they have been dealt with at the cross. Again, only one sin that is unforgivable and that is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, and what that is, is to deny Christ, because they are denying the conviction of the Holy Spirit. You deny Christ, then you've denied all that he has done for you. The only forgiveness for denying Christ, is in accepting Him.
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1, The word eis in greek can be translated either way
2, As fir the english it can also be translated either way...
I went to the doctor for help (in order to recieve)
I went to the pharmacy for my child (on behalf of)
I went to the doctor for my illness (on account of)
The word for is not the question. The word baptize is the question.
Baptize is 3rd person singular
while repent is 2nd person plural.
Although peter told everyone to repent, for the gift of the spirit (2nd person plural)
He only told individuals to be baptized for recommission of sin (3rd person singular)
So how do we interpret the word for?
In order to recieve, or on account of?
The next verse gives us the answer.
[SUP]41 [/SUP]Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
In order to recieve his word and accept it and believe in it, One must repent. So those who repented were baptized why? To get wet? NO>> Because they had received remission of sin.
Also proved by the fact the same author later in the book speaks of just belief as a requirement for remmision of sin.
Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
Where is the word baptize if it is essential??
2, As fir the english it can also be translated either way...
I went to the doctor for help (in order to recieve)
I went to the pharmacy for my child (on behalf of)
I went to the doctor for my illness (on account of)
The word for is not the question. The word baptize is the question.
Baptize is 3rd person singular
while repent is 2nd person plural.
Although peter told everyone to repent, for the gift of the spirit (2nd person plural)
He only told individuals to be baptized for recommission of sin (3rd person singular)
So how do we interpret the word for?
In order to recieve, or on account of?
The next verse gives us the answer.
[SUP]41 [/SUP]Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
In order to recieve his word and accept it and believe in it, One must repent. So those who repented were baptized why? To get wet? NO>> Because they had received remission of sin.
Also proved by the fact the same author later in the book speaks of just belief as a requirement for remmision of sin.
Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
Where is the word baptize if it is essential??
Lets look again:
Mark 16:16 (NKJV)
He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.
The semicolon separates the clauses, the first makes baptism on the condition one first believes saved, here could be a period as it makes a complete sentence, the second connected clause makes the first connected clause more clear and simply says (paraphrased) if you don't believe, no need for baptism as all you would do is just get wet...
Funny how people cannot understand what the semicolon means.
Mark 16:16 (NKJV)
He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.
The semicolon separates the clauses, the first makes baptism on the condition one first believes saved, here could be a period as it makes a complete sentence, the second connected clause makes the first connected clause more clear and simply says (paraphrased) if you don't believe, no need for baptism as all you would do is just get wet...
Funny how people cannot understand what the semicolon means.
[h=3]Isaiah 54:9[/h]New International Version (NIV)
9 “To me this is like the days of Noah,
when I swore that the waters of Noah would never again cover the earth.
So now I have sworn not to be angry with you, never to rebuke you again.
and also
[h=3]Colossians 1:22[/h]King James Version (KJV)
22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
unreproveable
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9 “To me this is like the days of Noah,
when I swore that the waters of Noah would never again cover the earth.
So now I have sworn not to be angry with you, never to rebuke you again.
and also
[h=3]Colossians 1:22[/h]King James Version (KJV)
22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
unreproveable
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- Not doing anything wrong that might attract reproof(?)
re·proof
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an expression of blame or disapproval.
Interesting, the Lord is not angry with us anymore and he no longer rebukes us. Also, we are unreproveable in His sight.
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No. That passage was added to the bible. It is not in the two oldest and more believable text. Not to mention is is a contradiction of what jesus said another time.
He who believes is NOT CONDEMNED (saved) He who does not believe is condemned already because he has not believed.
Where is the word be baptized at??
By the way, you do understand your trying to replace the work of God (baptism of the Spirit) with the work of mere men do you not? God warned about this, He calls it blasphemy of his spirit. You should be careful when giving credit of Gods work to men in some physical action. That is what they did in the OT with the other symbol of being cleansed (circumcision)
He who believes is NOT CONDEMNED (saved) He who does not believe is condemned already because he has not believed.
Where is the word be baptized at??
By the way, you do understand your trying to replace the work of God (baptism of the Spirit) with the work of mere men do you not? God warned about this, He calls it blasphemy of his spirit. You should be careful when giving credit of Gods work to men in some physical action. That is what they did in the OT with the other symbol of being cleansed (circumcision)