Talking against the law is dangerous

[chubbena]

Sure it is. If you are an outlaw. But if you are an honest citizen you have freedom the law cannot touch. If you live honestly there will be no cop knocking at your door. But if you're a christian, the judaizers will always be knocking at the door. Just remind them they're out of their jurisdiction.

Good post until the But.
If you are an honest citizen, would you be offended when others say the law which is protecting us is good and praise the government who gives the law?

 

[just-me]

there's a story told i've heard about an American Indian in the old days who was taken from the west to visit the industrialized, 'cultured' cities of the white men in the east.
at a railroad station on the journey, he noticed signs saying "do not spit on the floor"
and later, being entertained at the house of some gentleman, he noticed there was no such sign, and remarked on the irony of it.

here is the difference between being under the law and under grace:
no one ought to have to be commanded not to disrespect the house where they are made a guest, and a gracious host will overlook the faults of a friend, though a policeman will run in a stranger for the slightest offence.

It's a good story.
And the moral of this story is what in relation to the thread?

 

[just-us-2]

Maybe if you spent more time reading instead of teaching you would know a simple rule. ""I see that you desire not to read the word of God in context"" I am not YOU.

I hesitate to suggest this since you are so knowledgeable, but I will stick my neck out and remind you and many others, of this scripture, straight from the Word of God, I might add in case you forgot that HE inspired what we call the Bible - both Old and New Testaments, as we refer to them.

2 Timothy 3:7-9 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.

Is it a possibility that you fall into this category. I hope not.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

maybe not so much "ceiling" as 6ft of dirt...

that, and in the end, a never ending flame..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I've done that and will do it again before I die. My whole purpose for this thread is to endorse that ALL of God's word is still valid, and for all of Hid children to see that.

and believe it or not.

NO ONE HERE DISAGREES WITH YOU.

our differences lie in

1. The purpose of the law
2. What the law can do for mankind
3. What the law is unable to do for mankind
4. What part of the law (mosaic) has anything to do with children of God.

not to mention. You have opened how many threads now with the same message?? Do you not get sick of the same stuff over and over, you think opening 1 more thread is going to convince us all we need to follow you and not God?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Is anyone here interested in honestly learning or is everyone too arogant (arogant = prideful, not humble) and interested in only promoting their own "brilliance"?

lol.. did you look in the mirror when you said that? Because I see no desire to learn in anything you post..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Saying that all of God's word is relevant for today is twisting the truth? Hello? whatever you think I'm twisting is from your own mind. Quote from any of what I have posted that is twisted. Word for word.

no this is not true..

when will you understand that

saying the law, which was a tutor, and we are STILL UNDER the tutor is twisting the truth.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I hesitate to suggest this since you are so knowledgeable, but I will stick my neck out and remind you and many others, of this scripture, straight from the Word of God, I might add in case you forgot that HE inspired what we call the Bible - both Old and New Testaments, as we refer to them.

2 Timothy 3:7-9 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.

Is it a possibility that you fall into this category. I hope not.

it is a possability you fall into this category.

do you have anything to add to the thread, or just make idle threats and accusations?

 

[just-me]

It Actually depends what the "Law" means for you:
"The law of moses" ?
"The will of your church or Pastor"? That have created a philosophy for you, some times to get your tithes u other benefit
"The will of God" ?

In the Old and new testament it mostly means "The law of Moses" and is written "The Law" as a shortcut.
But currently is used in this three ways all together so the poor follower gets more confused than child starting kindergarten.

"Actually the will of God" is what the follower expects is being taught but the reality is it only depends in the size of the jaws of the Pastor he has fell into.

I think I should finally put this scripture:
Acts 15:10

New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]10 [/SUP]Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

I beg you to read all chapter 15, and 21.

Anything God has ever said can be classified as law. I am chagrined that some would want to throw out some of what God has given just because they want the grace of God to abound, thinking that, by a false doctrine, grace is an adversary of the law, or the law is an adversary of grace. Didn't both come from the same place? If we see God's word as condemning, we should for sure repent. If we repent then that particular part is no longer condemning. This is good if we desire to grow in faith, for faith can be increased. If we negate this law in spirit we restrict ourselves from learning an understanding. To restrict the word of God deteriorates the proper fear of the Lord which is the beginning of wisdom.

Grace then puts us in a different position to the law. We are the ones that are moved through the grace of Christ Jesus, but the word of God is unchanging to what it says, and the position in which God put it.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Anything God has ever said can be classified as law. I am chagrined that some would want to throw out some of what God has given just because they want the grace of God, thinking that by false doctrine grace is an adversary of the law.

lol.. you have it backwards.

The mosaic law is an adversary of grace. Why do you think paul taught against it so much.

no one here is speaking against following the commands of God.

we are against the false premis that the levitical law and grace can stand side by side, THEY CAN'T

 

[chubbena]

and believe it or not.

NO ONE HERE DISAGREES WITH YOU.

our differences lie in

1. The purpose of the law
2. What the law can do for mankind
3. What the law is unable to do for mankind
4. What part of the law (mosaic) has anything to do with children of God.

not to mention. You have opened how many threads now with the same message?? Do you not get sick of the same stuff over and over, you think opening 1 more thread is going to convince us all we need to follow you and not God?

After all these exchanges between you and Just-Me and of course the "Judaizers" , it would be helpful to quote from your posts and his/their posts to show the differences.

 

[just-me]

E G
As you know I have you on my ignore list. Whatever you are posting I'm sure that you want others to read it instead of me. God bless you, and as I said before, you are thought about when we pray about certain people on this site.

 

[danschance]

Putting down the law just to get over it is very dangerous and that comes from a carnal mind.
Putting down the canal is Spiritual.

Then the Apostle Paul was a very carnal man as he wrote Galatians to deal with those Christians who wanted to judaize the gentile converts. Paul must of been very carnally minded as he wrote:

But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code. Romans 7:6

Or maybe those who assume the old law is still valid are in error, presuming themselves to be more superior or having found a deeper truth but are literally engaged in spiritual deception. That is why Paul warns us by saying:

You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace. Gal 5:4

You can't serve two masters. You can't serve law and grace at the same time. Those who engage in the law are denying the work of Christ on the cross. Yet I realize my plea will not be heard or recognized as valid by those snared in spiritual darkness.

 

[posthuman]

there's a story told i've heard about an American Indian in the old days who was taken from the west to visit the industrialized, 'cultured' cities of the white men in the east.
at a railroad station on the journey, he noticed signs saying "do not spit on the floor"
and later, being entertained at the house of some gentleman, he noticed there was no such sign, and remarked on the irony of it.

here is the difference between being under the law and under grace:
no one ought to have to be commanded not to disrespect the house where they are made a guest, and a gracious host will overlook the faults of a friend, though a policeman will run in a stranger for the slightest offence.

It's a good story.
And the moral of this story is what in relation to the thread?

don't spit on the floor.

do we need to be told?

 

[chubbena]

Well of course not. Paul lets us know this in romans 7.

But the law of love is NOT the law of moses. The law of moses condemns us. The law of love just shows us when we are in self. and not in love/.

So are Romans 3 and 7 referring to the law of love or the law of Moses?
So did God make a covenant of love with Israel through a set of condemning law?
So the One who gives the law of love does He not eventually condemn those do not obey?

 

[jag1977]

I've done that and will do it again before I die. My whole purpose for this thread is to endorse that ALL of God's word is still valid, and for all of Hid children to see that. Even Jesus said so. So I ask a rhetorical question to myself. "Am I just by saying that all God's word as truth?" Yes. Am I justified saying to myself by the works of the law I am justified? No.

Now just because I do that, why are some saying that I am endorsing something that I am not? I say it is predetermined in their own minds because the law is a threat to those that speak against it. In reality they already know that they are walking on dangerous ground when that predetermined mind is set against any part of the word of God. It's not my words that I esteem as good, it's His. That's all. No more, no less.

The bible has to be read over and over
First by grace or a need ...faith and law dominate/being filled with the spirits(sons of god)
Second by knowledge ...clean and unclean to receive the hidden laws
Third by resurrected wisdom and teachings of the hidden laws
Fourth by SPIRITUAL understanding

Clean and unclean letters hence words are the key to unlocking the spiritual understanding. Leviticus gives some instruction as well as Samuel. Choosing to Passover unclean words is not ignoring the word of god, its following the word of god. The words remain nothing is changed

Nothing has been predetermined in the mind. I first meet THEE, THY brother of THOU. WE THY brothers fall. Removed from God WE seek comfort in US(babel) speaking ONE language of understanding. US removed by God manifest WE again eventually back to THOU in the ten commandments. THEN WE find OURSELVES where YOU and YOUR brothers reside, HE HIM HER SHE ME MY I etc...

Spirits...THEE THY THEY THOU HE I WHO OUR US HIS WE WHOSOEVER SON THEN SHE HIM IT etc...The most difficult part in enlightenment was realizing words have power over the way I read and understand.... spirits fill us (we sometimes feel like the word of God is speaking to us on a personal level) and we fill the spirits with some of our understanding such as previous knowledge or scriptures. as; WE so loved Jesus Christ, HE is the Son of God. "WE" has no meaning, "HE" has no meaning, "SON of God" has no meaning. It is YOU that cleaves unto and carries "Jesus Christ" into "HE" Giving rise to "Son of God" aka Jesus Christ now, in an unclean mind. Look at 15 below WHOSOEVER shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God. WHOSOEVER is the spiritual level you are experiencing. Enlightenment is the next part of the sentence...God dwelleth in HIM, and HE in God. "He" is the son of god, also, "Him" is the son of god. There are many sons of god and I have listed right many. Brothers in Christ.


In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.[SUP]10 [/SUP]Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]We love him, because he first loved us.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
[SUP]21 [/SUP]And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

 

[HEIsRiSen]

Whoever loves fulfills the law, the command now is to love God and love your neighbor as yourself. To love freely and unconditionally is to fulfill every commandment.

 

[notuptome]

To distain the law and the word of God is to distain Jesus and the Father and the Holy Spirit. I do not say that you must understand all of Gods word but you ought never to distain Gods word.

Seems to me that the serpent convinced Eve to distain Gods word. One simple law was enough to cause the fall of mankind.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[jag1977]

To distain the law and the word of God is to distain Jesus and the Father and the Holy Spirit. I do not say that you must understand all of Gods word but you ought never to distain Gods word.

Seems to me that the serpent convinced Eve to distain Gods word. One simple law was enough to cause the fall of mankind.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Do you distain SATAN, SERPENT, or DEVIL? What if I told you pure undiscerned scripture is the literal biblical definition of Satan.

 

[danschance]

Whoever loves fulfills the law, the command now is to love God and love your neighbor as yourself. To love freely and unconditionally is to fulfill every commandment.

I believe you are refering to"

Bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ. Gal 6:2

and...

32And the scribe said to him, “You are right, Teacher. You have truly said that he is one, and there is no other besides him. 33And to love him with all the heart and with all the understanding and with all the strength, and to love one’s neighbor as oneself, is much more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.” Mark 12:32-33

34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another. 35 By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.” John 13:34-35