Is Jesus God?

[KSublett]

if you want guidance i can prove it to you

Thanks a lot: God gave me A holy spirit by request at baptism which means that I can read BLACK text on BROWN paper. I have spend more years reading that which is delivered more years than you have been alive.

Scripture says that Jesus was the SON of God iffen you can read. There is ONE GOD THE FATHER and ONE SON called a MAN. Don't deprive Jesus of His glory because if you deny that MESSIAH cane in the FLESH John calls that ANTI-Christ.

God gave us an IMAGE of His Nature since He does not have flesh and blood and bones. Now, I will post some TEXT so don't get confused by all of the GREEK copying and pasting. Jesus doesn't speak to those corrupting the word meaning selling learning at wholesale.

 

[danschance]

Ontologically the son of God is also God because literally, the Son takes after the father. Romans believed this as well. The son of a roman god was also a god. So if people claim "Jesus is the son of not God" they don't know what they are talking about.

 

[oldhermit]

Yes, I'm following. Still no insight that the English does not give. If the Word was God, then of course it's a he. Perhaps you misunderstood me but I've never implied the word of God is an "it". I was merely questioning where this idea of distinct and seperate personhood comes from but that really isn't even the question I'm most concerned about. Does the scripture say anywhere here that Jesus is the Logos? That's my question, because that's the claim being made. Surely that can be answered with a yes or a no. If so, where does the text say this? I'm assuming it doesn't say it anywhere since we agree that there isn't anything wrong with the English translation.

If it doesn't say that, then why even worry about going to the Greek here?

14And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth. 15John testified about Him and cried out, saying, “This was He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me has a higher rank than I, for He existed before me.’” 16For of His fullness we have all received, and grace upon grace. 17For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ. 18No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

Who is the subject of these five verses?

 

[ji]

Re: You have nothing...

You deny The Trinity....and then you turn around and use Trinitarian renderings for your rejection of it.

This is hypocrisy at its best.

Ignorant hypocrisy...







All scripture supports The Trinity.

It would be easier for you to attempt to locate ONE verse which you think does not.

You cannot do it...

i deny trinity?
show one verse in Holy Scripture that uses the word trinity...trinity in your sense is Father,Son and Holy Spirit is same,that's not Godhead shows.Its a term used in the Holy Scripture..
Now you want me to start with original manuscripts?

Are you purposefully avoiding?
Ignorant hypocrisy?really?
"Bring forth ANY Biblical verse which you think somehow thwarts the Trinity and detail to us why it supposedly does." - your words.

The term trinity is wrong in the sense,Jesus doesn't know everything but He follows what God tells Him(Mathew 24:36 KJV).Jesus is seated now at the right hand of God the Father(Father of Lights -james 1:17 KJV,1 Timothy 6:16,and many more verses if you want to know the God the Father who is"LOVE") to intercede for us even though He has attained the omnipotent everlasting Godhead,because eternity has not come yet.
your profile pic doesn't reflect it..that's all i said,..and you are shouting out loud for that?

 

[JaumeJ]

Man calls the Holy Writings the Book, the Bible, a combination of the Tanakh and the New Testament or the Old Testament and the New Testament, but the collection of writings, as such, is not called any of these names in the Word.

If a quick reference to the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit is understood when the word, Trinity, is used, it means the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

As for what dogmas may be included in employing that term, I do not know them, nor do I need them. It is certain this holds true with most who believe the Word.

Perhaps I am wrong, even naive, but Trinity is a good reference to Yahweh, God when used without strings. Trinity is One God.

 

[ji]

Ontologically the son of God is also God because literally, the Son takes after the father. Romans believed this as well. The son of a roman god was also a god. So if people claim "Jesus is the son of not God" they don't know what they are talking about.

Jesus doesn't know everything but He follows what God tells Him.
Mathew 24:36 KJV..How's that possible if all are the same?
Jesus is immortal and in Godhead.He displays all characters of Godliness because He is the beginning of Creation('Amen' - 3:14 KJV mentioned in Revelation) and He was there existing in Godhead before the Creation.No doubt.He is Lord God.But trinity is not the right term to describe God,but Godhead is the right term since there is an order and its not like all share equal position in Holy Family of Godhead..
If that is so Mathew 24:36 KJV is a lie...

 

[Richie_2uk]

Jesus doesn't know everything but He follows what God tells Him.
Mathew 24:36 KJV..How's that possible if all are the same?
Jesus is immortal and in Godhead.He displays all characters of Godliness because He is the beginning of Creation('Amen' - 3:14 KJV mentioned in Revelation) and He was there existing in Godhead before the Creation.No doubt.He is Lord God.But trinity is not the right term to describe God,but Godhead is the right term since there is an order and its not like all share equal position in Holy Family of Godhead..
If that is so Mathew 24:36 KJV is a lie...

What? Jesus Don't know everything? a wild statement there. He knows everything, Because God the father has told him everything. yes Jesus came down to earth as human, and lived as human and followed everything that God told him to do. But that's a wild statement there that He don't know everything. Be careful with statements like that.

The word trinity is not mentioned in any bible or scripture anywhere. However, there are lots of verses to support the meaning of the word trinity, like in 1 John 5: 7. 3 seperate but one God head. John 10: 30. were it says that I meaning Jesus and God are one.

 

[ji]

Man calls the Holy Writings the Book, the Bible, a combination of the Tanakh and the New Testament or the Old Testament and the New Testament, but the collection of writings, as such, is not called any of these names in the Word.

If a quick reference to the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit is understood when the word, Trinity, is used, it means the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

As for what dogmas may be included in employing that term, I do not know them, nor do I need them. It is certain this holds true with most who believe the Word.

Perhaps I am wrong, even naive, but Trinity is a good reference to Yahweh, God when used without strings. Trinity is One God.

The term trinity is not the right term....
this is not to offend some,...
Its ok if someone wants to use that word,many past Good Christians have used that word.
But when it begins to sound like Jesus is all that is there,we go wrong...
Because Jesus himself made it very clear that there is a Father above Him and He is only Good(now that could be like He was humbling Himself because He was in flesh),
Holy Scripture says the Father promoted Him to the Throne right side of Father himself...
These are things we cannot comprehend right now.
None can reach the Father except through Jesus is another verse that points to a Father God..
The Father is what we are returning to when we Finish the Race in Christ...
All this is taken from Holy Scripture,none added...
i can give verses too..

The Godhead is a Holy Family like a person has different organs..or Family with many members...
God was not alone before Creation,....because it is Godhead..

This is Martyr Stephen's Testimony-is that a lie?
Acts 7:55.56 KJV
"But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man(ie,Jesus) standing on the right hand of God."

Now if its making one's brain heated up leave it,but God the Father is something there in Godhead and so is Holy spirit.Does Holy Scripture lie?
Jesus said HE and the Father are one,ok...
That's ok..it means in the Godhead and they existed as a unit even before time began when they began Creation.Now lets stop right there,because this is where we should put the margin as we can go 'crack' if we think how it was...
This is the reason why Jesus explained things in parables and stories,like making little children understand...because that's our capacity.In OT also many mysteries are not explained by God.
When God began to speak to Job,Job forgot the sorrows he had and found himself speechless to the things too marvellous that God asked him(Job) of..
Now regarding all the mysteries of Creation and beyond(before time began and about Eternity) we will know in full when we finally reach Heaven and God shares all the mysteries..

God Bless

 

[ji]

What? Jesus Don't know everything? a wild statement there. He knows everything, Because God the father has told him everything. yes Jesus came down to earth as human, and lived as human and followed everything that God told him to do. But that's a wild statement there that He don't know everything. Be careful with statements like that.

The word trinity is not mentioned in any bible or scripture anywhere. However, there are lots of verses to support the meaning of the word trinity, like in 1 John 5: 7. 3 seperate but one God head. John 10: 30. were it says that I meaning Jesus and God are one.

Mathew 24:36 KJV

 

[JaumeJ]

Joh 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2
The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Joh 1:4
In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
Joh 1:5
And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
Joh 1:6
There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
Joh 1:7
The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
Joh 1:8
He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
Joh 1:9
That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
Joh 1:10
He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
Joh 1:11
He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
Joh 1:12
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Joh 1:13
Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Joh 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

 

[ji]

Mathew 24:36 KJV

The right word used is Godhead,not trintity..
Its and order,there is an order,.....like a family..

 

[ji]

Joh 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2
The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Joh 1:4
In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
Joh 1:5
And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
Joh 1:6
There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
Joh 1:7
The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
Joh 1:8
He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
Joh 1:9
That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
Joh 1:10
He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
Joh 1:11
He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
Joh 1:12
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Joh 1:13
Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Joh 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Can you tell me why Jesus said He doesn't know the time He is going to return?
Is it that He left His Heavenly knowledge and empty throne there and everything run in chaos,while He is not there?And when He returned to Godhead,He now knows?..
Is Jesus telling lies?

 

[posthuman]

I have spend more years reading that which is delivered more years than you have been alive.

(this isn't solely directed at KSublett; he just opened the door for me to answer it)

there are two ways you can be ignorant:
you can not go to school at all,
or you can go to school too long.

A.W. Tozer (paraphrased)​

 

[KSublett]

Trias was a word to define God the Father, Who himself BREATHS (spirit not a people) and the WORD which the ONE GOD THE FATHER articulates.
If you say that Jesus is GOD, and Jesus said I am the SON of God then there is trouble in River City. Sermons are defacto denial to "speak that which is written for our learning."

Christ is not a GOD WORD: whatever or whomever God annoints is His agent. Jesus as the SEED of a long stream of godly people did not exist untill He existed. WORD or LOGOS is God's Regulative or Governing principle. God's ruling means is NOT another God PEOPLE. Jesus was MADE TO BE both lord and Christ as GOD'S RULER and governing principle. The Spirit of Christ is not as ignorant as people want to make Him. He could have said that I AM GOD or that GOD and I are one. He said that the FATHER and I are one. That refutes the always pagan view of a triad of a real father having real sex with a mother to produce a literal son. Jesus speaks ANTITHESIS.

Matt. 11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father:
and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father;
neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son,
and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man,
no, not the angels which are in heaven,
neither the Son,
but the Father.

If Jesus WAS God in the Logos sense of Hermes-Mercury and not a Son because of obedience, He would know everything.
The LIPS are the Double-edged Sword used to articulate the Breath of God. Spirit means WIND...period. It is used figuratively of the BREATH of God. This same BREATH inspired the Prophets but this was not Jesus the SON who made the prophecies more certain. A church of Christ is built upon or EDUCATED by the Prophets and Apostles and Peter said that was not subject to private interpretation or further expounding beyond PREACHING the Word by READING the Word for Comfort and Doctrine--that was the pattern Paul commanded Timothy and practiced for several centuries before SINGING as liturgy and preaching was added by unwashed Bishops.

 

[ji]

Joh 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2
The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Joh 1:4
In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
Joh 1:5
And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
Joh 1:6
There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
Joh 1:7
The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
Joh 1:8
He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
Joh 1:9
That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
Joh 1:10
He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
Joh 1:11
He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
Joh 1:12
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Joh 1:13
Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Joh 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

JaumeJ,

Don't feel offended if i look harsh or make head spin...
All we need is Jesus,that's enough even if we don't know a-z in everything...
Just ignore if i was trouble,..this is meant for people who are dumb on purpose and try to make it look like Jesus was there alone before Creation..
i am not 100% perfect in knowing everything,but know enough to realize that we cannot comprehend God in any way..
we will burst out and die if He Loves us more or punish us more..
God is Love
That is enough for all who seek Him,including the wretched me

 

[ji]

Trias was a word to define God the Father, Who himself BREATHS (spirit not a people) and the WORD which the ONE GOD THE FATHER articulates.
If you say that Jesus is GOD, and Jesus said I am the SON of God then there is trouble in River City. Sermons are defacto denial to "speak that which is written for our learning."

Christ is not a GOD WORD: whatever or whomever God annoints is His agent. Jesus as the SEED of a long stream of godly people did not exist untill He existed. WORD or LOGOS is God's Regulative or Governing principle. God's ruling means is NOT another God PEOPLE. Jesus was MADE TO BE both lord and Christ as GOD'S RULER and governing principle. The Spirit of Christ is not as ignorant as people want to make Him. He could have said that I AM GOD or that GOD and I are one. He said that the FATHER and I are one. That refutes the always pagan view of a triad of a real father having real sex with a mother to produce a literal son. Jesus speaks ANTITHESIS.

Matt. 11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father:
and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father;
neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son,
and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man,
no, not the angels which are in heaven,
neither the Son,
but the Father.

If Jesus WAS God in the Logos sense of Hermes-Mercury and not a Son because of obedience, He would know everything.
The LIPS are the Double-edged Sword used to articulate the Breath of God. Spirit means WIND...period. It is used figuratively of the BREATH of God. This same BREATH inspired the Prophets but this was not Jesus the SON who made the prophecies more certain. A church of Christ is built upon or EDUCATED by the Prophets and Apostles and Peter said that was not subject to private interpretation or further expounding beyond PREACHING the Word by READING the Word for Comfort and Doctrine--that was the pattern Paul commanded Timothy and practiced for several centuries before SINGING as liturgy and preaching was added by unwashed Bishops.

Are you trying to say that Jesus is a single God entity existed before He created everything,interacting with His own mind?That is human way of thinking things...

 

[John_agape]

The only acceptable perspective about Jesus comes exclusively from the Bible. It is completely irrelevant what Islam has to say about Jesus.

Actually Islam does say that Jesus is the son of the Holy Spirit and virgin Mary.

However to not be Christian they say the Holy Spirit is the angel Gabriel. Hence the confusion in Islam.

 

[ji]

Actually Islam does say that Jesus is the son of the Holy Spirit and virgin Mary.

However to not be Christian they say the Holy Spirit is the angel Gabriel. Hence the confusion in Islam.

you're right,...from what i heard muhammad(the illiterate man) was possessed by evil entity(could have been lucifer himself)to write quran.And muhammad believed it was Gabriel..which makes me think that Christianity had its impact in arabia at that time..and satan was waiting for creating another deception...islam..
No wonder why Jesus says satan himself masquerades as angel of light..

 

[ji]

Generally,Godhead doesn't mean worship three different Gods...lol..
That's the stupidest thing to do...

They are one...and Jesus is our Portal(Jesus is the Way,Truth and Life) back to God's Glory and Jesus is the one to be worshiped without any doubt
He is Lord God Almighty and God The Father Created everything through Him for Him.Its all in Holy Scripture.
When we worship Jesus we worship the Godhead

So don't go making and splitting religions tomorrow..lol

God Bless

 

[oldhermit]

Actually Islam does say that Jesus is the son of the Holy Spirit and virgin Mary.

However to not be Christian they say the Holy Spirit is the angel Gabriel. Hence the confusion in Islam.

It does not matter whether Islam is correct or incorrect in their teaching about Jesus. The issue is that the testimony of the ungodly is worthless and Jesus does not desire this type of testimony. This is why he refused the demons to speak who KNEW who he was.