Talking against the law is dangerous
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after reading my very long 3 pages i posted of another brothers beliefs which i believe in most of what he was saying, i am that blown away by it i don't know about the rest just yet.
i do however truly believe that the grace of god can help us to not break one of the commandments, but if we try to do it alone we will fail,
so many people will say, i don't know anyone who does not break the commandments, this is not a plan that can work, so what can we say to this and to these people who say this ?
maybe we can say read something very inspiring and this may help you all week to achieve it for one week and maybe in one week you feel the lords presence ? yes no yes no i just felt a few times already while i write my hope to thees people.
maybe then after one week they love it the feel the power and grace and all its glory and they become super confident and forget about the God, maybe they don't maybe they go for another week,
in the perfect worl i feel this can be done if you have to lock your to do it this is sad why go to a desert island have a 2 week break with just you the bible and some Delicious sea food, with exotic drinks too.
and then after the 2 weeks of beautiful relaxation you apply all what you did to your life,
you become a new creation yes.
lol this could be true this could be not true for m e or for you but as we strive to do it and learn gods almighty truth anything is possible if you believe
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i do however truly believe that the grace of god can help us to not break one of the commandments, but if we try to do it alone we will fail,
so many people will say, i don't know anyone who does not break the commandments, this is not a plan that can work, so what can we say to this and to these people who say this ?
maybe we can say read something very inspiring and this may help you all week to achieve it for one week and maybe in one week you feel the lords presence ? yes no yes no i just felt a few times already while i write my hope to thees people.
maybe then after one week they love it the feel the power and grace and all its glory and they become super confident and forget about the God, maybe they don't maybe they go for another week,
in the perfect worl i feel this can be done if you have to lock your to do it this is sad why go to a desert island have a 2 week break with just you the bible and some Delicious sea food, with exotic drinks too.
and then after the 2 weeks of beautiful relaxation you apply all what you did to your life,
you become a new creation yes.
lol this could be true this could be not true for m e or for you but as we strive to do it and learn gods almighty truth anything is possible if you believe
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Repent is a deliberate act on our part. Repent does not mean simply "I'm sorry forgive me" there's more. It means not only are we contrite, but that we burn that house down so we can't go back and visit it. Keeping sin in a cage on your back porch so you can check on it and see how it's doing once and a while only lets it remain alive. Get rid of it, remove yourself, whatever you have to do.
Grace comes when we surrender, and God's will is what you seek, it's known by His Word, and His nudging on your heart to agree. The more truth you obey the more truth you receive. Why would God reveal more understanding when you don't do what you already know?
It's not rocket science. It is open subordination to the One True God, confessing He is your King. When you act as a friend to God, He will respond. Keeping Shabbat was and is, elemental in my walk with my King. That's why the devil hates Sabbath so much, and that is why the world hates it so much.
I have no idea where you thought that. the scripture in Ezekiel 20:18-26 is God's harsh judgment, and I quoted Romans 1:21-32 to confirm you scripture and give my thoughts that God's judgments in this case were righteous and true.
I believe that we also can establish the law in our hearts following what 2 Timothy 2:15 says
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
And I concur. Sorry that you misunderstood our previous exchange. What you say is very true in my opinion. Thanks brother. God's law stands until heaven and earth pass away, and earth is still underneath our feet, praise His name!
I believe that we also can establish the law in our hearts following what 2 Timothy 2:15 says
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
And I concur. Sorry that you misunderstood our previous exchange. What you say is very true in my opinion. Thanks brother. God's law stands until heaven and earth pass away, and earth is still underneath our feet, praise His name!
yar the hope is that at some point in a persons life they do try to do it it is inevitable which makes me sometimes think i am a jew or a gentile hmm, i believe they strive not to break the ten commandments ? have they excepted the new commandment of the new t ,, i dunno they believe he was a profit ?
the bible tells us that we follow the the teachings of the profits ? so i often wonder if im a jew at heart or a gentile maybe there is no such thing really once you become a born again a christian a ambassador in a spectable of a world hmm
all i want to do is talk to a jew lol
the bible tells us that we follow the the teachings of the profits ? so i often wonder if im a jew at heart or a gentile maybe there is no such thing really once you become a born again a christian a ambassador in a spectable of a world hmm
all i want to do is talk to a jew lol
Nope, we have to believe that the death of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ accomplished everything that it was meant to accomplish. That as he died on that cross he was fulfilling prophecies of the OT and that his death completely took away our sins - there is nothing NOTHING we can add to what he has done.
This is the new man, the new creature, the new creation:
2 Corinthians 5:15, 17, 18a And he died for all that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them and rose again . . . Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ . . .
Galatians 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
Ephesians 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. (This chapter also contains some correlation to the 10 commandments)
Colossians 3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him, . . Put on therefore as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindeness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye. And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness - In other words, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
This is the new man, the new creature, the new creation:
2 Corinthians 5:15, 17, 18a And he died for all that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them and rose again . . . Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ . . .
Galatians 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
Ephesians 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. (This chapter also contains some correlation to the 10 commandments)
Colossians 3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him, . . Put on therefore as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindeness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye. And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness - In other words, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Can I present something to you, and ask for your response? You will have to send me a PM in CC because it's going to take you a little time.
Read Exodus chapters 20 thru 23, and see that Moses wrote those laws after God spoke them to him.
They are a lot more than the "Ten Commandments." As you know, the first part of Exodus 20 contain the "Ten Commandments" as they have come to be known by most Christians.
Then read Exodus 24:12, and see that the tablets of stone were about to be given several days later as per the instructions of God.
Now to bring this all together I will quote three scriptures.
Exodus 34:28 (KJV)
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the "ten commandments."
Deuteronomy 4:13 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even "Ten commandments;" and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.
Deuteronomy 10:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing, the "Ten commandments," which the LORD spake unto you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly: and the LORD gave them unto me.
When I realized that the "Ten Commandments" were not the "Ten Commandments" that I always thought were written on stone, I did some research to see where this conflict of scripture came in, so I went to the Hebrew language to try to find out.
Each one of these previous mentioned scriptures were different in the Hebrew language, and I found that instead of the term "Ten Commandments" it said "Ten Words." So I wondered what those "Ten Words" really meant. To make a long story short, I found they were a term used to define a complete project that would be defined on "stone tablets."
Here is what the "Ten *Words" mean.
First, the word "*words" are the words of God, and that's a given.
Now for "Ten." It means to give the fruit of the spirit by the divine completeness from the Father. That's why there is no law against the fruit of the Spirit because it is the law. So the tablets of stone properly define, in detail, by God's laws and ordinances, the over all concept of the "fruit of the Spirit."
There's your "stone tablets."
Galatians 5:22-23 (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Read Exodus chapters 20 thru 23, and see that Moses wrote those laws after God spoke them to him.
They are a lot more than the "Ten Commandments." As you know, the first part of Exodus 20 contain the "Ten Commandments" as they have come to be known by most Christians.
Then read Exodus 24:12, and see that the tablets of stone were about to be given several days later as per the instructions of God.
Now to bring this all together I will quote three scriptures.
Exodus 34:28 (KJV)
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the "ten commandments."
Deuteronomy 4:13 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even "Ten commandments;" and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.
Deuteronomy 10:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing, the "Ten commandments," which the LORD spake unto you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly: and the LORD gave them unto me.
When I realized that the "Ten Commandments" were not the "Ten Commandments" that I always thought were written on stone, I did some research to see where this conflict of scripture came in, so I went to the Hebrew language to try to find out.
Each one of these previous mentioned scriptures were different in the Hebrew language, and I found that instead of the term "Ten Commandments" it said "Ten Words." So I wondered what those "Ten Words" really meant. To make a long story short, I found they were a term used to define a complete project that would be defined on "stone tablets."
Here is what the "Ten *Words" mean.
First, the word "*words" are the words of God, and that's a given.
Now for "Ten." It means to give the fruit of the spirit by the divine completeness from the Father. That's why there is no law against the fruit of the Spirit because it is the law. So the tablets of stone properly define, in detail, by God's laws and ordinances, the over all concept of the "fruit of the Spirit."
There's your "stone tablets."
Galatians 5:22-23 (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
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How is it that quoting parts of scripture that was written by a man who taught Torah, lived Torah and took a Nazarite vow (Acts 18:18) helping make your claim the law no longer is necessary for us to do?
Acts 18:21 But bade them farewell, saying, I must by all means keep this feast that cometh in Jerusalem: but I will return again unto you, if God will. And he sailed from Ephesus..... Oops, looks like he kept the feasts also, as did all the disciples of Jesus and also Jesus did too, so...
but we don't have to...we got grace
seriously?
Acts 18:21 But bade them farewell, saying, I must by all means keep this feast that cometh in Jerusalem: but I will return again unto you, if God will. And he sailed from Ephesus..... Oops, looks like he kept the feasts also, as did all the disciples of Jesus and also Jesus did too, so...
but we don't have to...we got grace
seriously?
From post 507
You can see hear that there are only 9 attributes in the "fruit of the Spirit." One is missing, or should I say; What was written on stone that was going be fulfilled? The next verse fills in the missing number to "fulfill" the quantity of "ten."
Galatians 5:24 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP]And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Exodus 12:3 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house:
Leviticus 14:21 (KJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP]And if he be poor, and cannot get so much; then he shall take one lamb for a trespass offering to be waved, to make an atonement for him, and one tenth deal of fine flour mingled with oil for a meat offering, and a log of oil;
This is no coincidence.
You can see hear that there are only 9 attributes in the "fruit of the Spirit." One is missing, or should I say; What was written on stone that was going be fulfilled? The next verse fills in the missing number to "fulfill" the quantity of "ten."
Galatians 5:24 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP]And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Exodus 12:3 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house:
Leviticus 14:21 (KJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP]And if he be poor, and cannot get so much; then he shall take one lamb for a trespass offering to be waved, to make an atonement for him, and one tenth deal of fine flour mingled with oil for a meat offering, and a log of oil;
This is no coincidence.
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Did he take future sins away too ? if your answer is yes which it should be would that imply he takes are future sins away without us knowing hmm ? YES NO or does that mean if we dont sin no more then what is there to take away and how do we not sin no more hmm ? would that be by not BREAKING ONE OF THE COMMANDMENTS what God say ,, hmm he say if you love you will keep my commandment he not say if you love me you will throw away my commandment.
why do you say nope to my belief do you feel you can follow the commandments by your self ?
or do you feel you would need God to help you to do that,
Is breaking one of the commandments a sin ?
if your answer is yes which it is then are you like me not following the sabbath ?
Personally now that i know i will have to work on a Sunday
why do you say nope to my belief do you feel you can follow the commandments by your self ?
or do you feel you would need God to help you to do that,
Is breaking one of the commandments a sin ?
if your answer is yes which it is then are you like me not following the sabbath ?
Personally now that i know i will have to work on a Sunday
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Paul observing a feast and any other aspect of Judaism does not mean he was strictly observant of Judaism because other scriptures contradict that claim.
Whoops! In the verse above Paul clearly states he is not an observant Jew, but he will observe Jewish identity markers to win Jews to Christ. Also note that Paul claims to be under the law of Christ.
Whoops! In the verse above Paul clearly states he is not an observant Jew, but he will observe Jewish identity markers to win Jews to Christ. Also note that Paul claims to be under the law of Christ.
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I was quoting scripture concerning the 'new man', the new creation', the 'new creation' relative to what ZINZERIO.
Now, I wonder why there is no other mention of Paul making a feast in the year and a half that he stayed with Justus? So - yes, he went to be at Jerusalem the day of Pentecost.
Wonder what was the last feast any of those proclaiming that we 'must keep the feast' attended?
Now, I wonder why there is no other mention of Paul making a feast in the year and a half that he stayed with Justus? So - yes, he went to be at Jerusalem the day of Pentecost.
Wonder what was the last feast any of those proclaiming that we 'must keep the feast' attended?
i dont suppose theres any chance of some sort of common ground here is there , has any one really got the message yet ? from me ? what laws are the most important to keep can we establish that much ? can some one please have a sensible reply and answer some questions here its rabit trail galore right now
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why is that there (though not being myself under the law)in parenthesis?
anyhow, so Paul was a hypocrite? Or some have misunderstood him? It's one or the other. In which case, if you say he taught one thing and lived another, he was a hypocrite...so then to carry that thought a bit further...why in the world would anybody trust a hypocrite?????
But as for me, I do not think Paul was a hypocrite, rather his speech is right over your head if you do not study Torah.
KJV 2 Peter 3;16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
ISV He speaks about this subject in all his letters. Some things in them are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, leading to their own destruction, as they do the rest of the Scriptures.
Gee..i think the KJV is a bit kinder....
anyhow, so Paul was a hypocrite? Or some have misunderstood him? It's one or the other. In which case, if you say he taught one thing and lived another, he was a hypocrite...so then to carry that thought a bit further...why in the world would anybody trust a hypocrite?????
But as for me, I do not think Paul was a hypocrite, rather his speech is right over your head if you do not study Torah.
KJV 2 Peter 3;16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
ISV He speaks about this subject in all his letters. Some things in them are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, leading to their own destruction, as they do the rest of the Scriptures.
Gee..i think the KJV is a bit kinder....
you all seem to replying when i log of this is not fair because as off late when i log in i see that my beliefs are being undermined this is not nice to walk into so i bid you fair well but now this thread is bring disaster as no one can even answer me one simle question no doubt when i log back in i will see no answer i am getting no reply so now i ask one more time which are the most important laws to keep is it all of the commandment or just a couple please can i have honest answer