Talking against the law is dangerous

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ivanc0

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ZINZERIO said:
Originally Posted by ivanc0

Sorry I did not put the quote, so I need to post this again.

I have a simple question for you, have you read acts 15:5? there clearly stipulate what law is the issue of act 15:10, and the resolution act 15:20

Acts 15:5

English Standard Version (ESV)

[SUP]5 [/SUP]But some believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees rose up and said, “It is necessary to circumcise them and to order them to keep the law of Moses.”

Ok, now I want an honest reply from you. Why you do not believe and accept this verse?
Is translated wrongly?
Is out of context?
Peter was drank?

Please give me your reason!

im sorry your words are like dirt to me now you are official on a 1 week ignor button
im sorry your words are like dirt to me now you are official on a 1 week ignor button
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This makes me recall when I use to play chess, and if I was close to a checkmate my opponent kicked the board.
You acting like that.
I have never expected such an inmature and childish reaction.

Just answer the question and face your demons like a men!

In acts 5, clearly stipulates that the Christian pharisees where requesting the Gentiles also keep the law of Moses like them.
Then Peter Stood Up and said, "Do no put a yoke on this People a Yoke that neither us or our parents could carry" (The law of Moses)
Then James decided a resolution ordering the gentiles to not to fornicate, do not eat food sacrificed to idols,do not eat blood, and animals that have drown. full stop.
Now you came with complicated theories.
and do not Undestand that there were two streams of cristian. the jew and the gentile
Romans 3:31 that you like so much, was written to jews liven in rome not gentiles, see romans 4:1 the very next verse. it refer to the greeks and barbarians, but not latin romans, He has still no contact with them. but is writting to the jews converted to christ that are now living in Rome.
 
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Zinzerio

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[video=youtube;8v5zt3eIN2U]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8v5zt3eIN2U[/video]
 
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ivanc0

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Timeline said:
Originally Posted by ivanc0

Sorry I did not put the quote, so I need to post this again.

I have a simple question for you, have you read acts 15:5? there clearly stipulate what law is the issue of act 15:10, and the resolution act 15:20

Acts 15:5

English Standard Version (ESV)

[SUP]5 [/SUP]But some believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees rose up and said, “It is necessary to circumcise them and to order them to keep the law of Moses.”

Ok, now I want an honest reply from you. Why you do not believe and accept this verse?
Is translated wrongly?
Is out of context?
Peter was drank?

Please give me your reason!

I don't know...because the Pharisees said it! And then the apostles said that they should not be circumcised.
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But, What did Paul said about, the ones that accept to be circumcised?
[h=3]Galatians 5:3[/h]English Standard Version (ESV)

[SUP]3 [/SUP]I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law.

See not matter how you see it the Law of moses is not for the GENTILES
 
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Zinzerio

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ivanc0 said:
This makes me recall when I use to play chess, and if I was close to a checkmate my opponent kicked the board.
You acting like that.
I have never expected such an inmature and childish reaction.

Just answer the question and face your demons like a men!

In acts 5, clearly stipulates that the Christian pharisees where requesting the Gentiles also keep the law of Moses like them.
Then Peter Stood Up and said, "Do no put a yoke on this People a Yoke that neither us or our parents could carry" (The law of Moses)
Then James decided a resolution ordering the gentiles to not to fornicate, do not eat food sacrificed to idols,do not eat blood, and animals that have drown. full stop.
Now you came with complicated theories.
and do not Undestand that there were two streams of cristian. the jew and the gentile
Romans 3:31 that you like so much, was written to jews liven in rome not gentiles, see romans 4:1 the very next verse. it refer to the greeks and barbarians, but not latin romans, He has still no contact with them. but is writting to the jews converted to christ that are now living in Rome.
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when you can answer my question i will answer your and it does not surprise that your friend kicked the chess over because if it was i would probly kick your chess board into next week and some more your level of noncooperation is the very somewhat plain for all to see and not just me, i don't expect anything less from a Russian Mathia chess player as you think your ok not to obey the ten commandments and i believe also the Russian mathia think this too
 
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Timeline said:
I know you will not accept this, but I believe that the earth and heaven mentioned here have already passed away (so for me it is not inconvient at all).
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What planet are you living on? LOL:p
 
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danschance

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Karraster said:
Yeah, I did recognize you both use the same material.:)
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Actually, "my material" comes from the bible, for the most part and since I have never seen her website until last nite, your conspiracy theory is not based on facts.
 
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chubbena

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just-me said:
I guess I should have said Jesus OUR Lord, the true Messiah, Son of the Most high living God, the Almighty that is perfect in every respect. That do it? (smile)
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Then no. However, believers have different digestive systems and I don't have to state the obvious.
Jeremiah said "When your words came, I ate them; they were my joy and my heart’s delight, for I bear your name, Lord God Almighty.
David said "Blessed is the one who does not walk in step with the wicked or stand in the way that sinners take or sit in the company of mockers, but whose delight is in the law of the Lord, and who meditates on his law day and night. That person is like a tree planted by streams of water, which yields its fruit in season and whose leaf does not wither— whatever they do prospers.
 
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chubbena

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danschance said:
Paul taught from the entire Old Testament, not just the Pentateuch (torah). According to standard Christian hermeneutics, the old testament is to be interpreted in the light of the New Testament, not in the light of the Pentateuch. This is widely taught in all major seminaries. The New testament has primacy over all of the Old testament, never the other way around.
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This is widely taught in all major seminaries. That speaks volume.
They had seminaries in the first century too.
 
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prodigal

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danschance said:
Paul taught from the entire Old Testament, not just the Pentateuch (torah). According to standard Christian hermeneutics, the old testament is to be interpreted in the light of the New Testament, not in the light of the Pentateuch. This is widely taught in all major seminaries. The New testament has primacy over all of the Old testament, never the other way around.
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wonder what st paul, the same that said in acts14:14-15 14 But when the apostles Barnabas and Paul heard of it, they tore their robes and rushed out into the crowd, crying out 15and saying, "Men, why are you doing these things? We are also men of the same nature as you, and preach the gospel to you that you should turn from these vain things to a living God, WHO MADE THE HEAVEN AND THE EARTH AND THE SEA AND ALL THAT IS IN THEM. ,

would say about putting his letters above those of the old testament that he lived his life by.. mmm
 
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Karraster

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Timeline said:
I know you will not accept this, but I believe that the earth and heaven mentioned here have already passed away (so for me it is not inconvient at all).
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The earth and heavens mentioned here have passed away? How many earths and heavens are there? Am I on a different planet, or are you?
 
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Karraster

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danschance said:
Actually, "my material" comes from the bible, for the most part and since I have never seen her website until last nite, your conspiracy theory is not based on facts.
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It could be that I'm aware of certain tricks that certain members use.
 
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MidniteWelder

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Perhaps they've passed away and they just don't know it yet.
They're in denial
Very stubborn those heavens and earths
 
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eternally-gratefull

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ivanc0 said:
But, What did Paul said about, the ones that accept to be circumcised?
Galatians 5:3

English Standard Version (ESV)

[SUP]3 [/SUP]I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law.

See not matter how you see it the Law of moses is not for the GENTILES
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Actually, yes it is.

It is just as much of a schoomaster, and ministry to death to gentiles as it was and is for the jews.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Timeline said:
I know you will not accept this, but I believe that the earth and heaven mentioned here have already passed away (so for me it is not inconvient at all).
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It has? When did it pass away?

And as for her response to you.

17And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

It has not failed. It still is active. It still condemns all who does not obey every letter written in it. It is still very active in the world today, if it were not. We would no longer need Christ.
 
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ivanc0

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ZINZERIO said:
Originally Posted by ivanc0


This makes me recall when I use to play chess, and if I was close to a checkmate my opponent kicked the board.
You acting like that.
I have never expected such an inmature and childish reaction.

Just answer the question and face your demons like a men!

In acts 5, clearly stipulates that the Christian pharisees where requesting the Gentiles also keep the law of Moses like them.
Then Peter Stood Up and said, "Do no put a yoke on this People a Yoke that neither us or our parents could carry" (The law of Moses)
Then James decided a resolution ordering the gentiles to not to fornicate, do not eat food sacrificed to idols,do not eat blood, and animals that have drown. full stop.
Now you came with complicated theories.
and do not Undestand that there were two streams of cristian. the jew and the gentile
Romans 3:31 that you like so much, was written to jews liven in rome not gentiles, see romans 4:1 the very next verse. it refer to the greeks and barbarians, but not latin romans, He has still no contact with them. but is writting to the jews converted to christ that are now living in Rome.
when you can answer my question i will answer your and it does not surprise that your friend kicked the chess over because if it was i would probly kick your chess board into next week and some more your level of noncooperation is the very somewhat plain for all to see and not just me, i don't expect anything less from a Russian Mathia chess player as you think your ok not to obey the ten commandments and i believe also the Russian mathia think this too
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In benefit of the debate, please ask you Question again, and I will make my best effort to answer it! (Please do not make reference to a post number, Just ask you question. Lets try to ask and answer one point at a time)

Thanks.
 
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ivanc0

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eternally-gratefull said:
Actually, yes it is.

It is just as much of a schoomaster, and ministry to death to gentiles as it was and is for the jews.
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Moses law is a covenant between the descendants of Jacob=Israel and God, and the signature of the covenant was the circumcision.
Paul said the law resumes in one word "Love your fellow"

Then again How you explain acts 15?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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ivanc0 said:
Moses law is a covenant between the descendants of Jacob=Israel and God, and the signature of the covenant was the circumcision.
Paul said the law resumes in one word "Love your fellow"

Then again How you explain acts 15?
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so the law does not condemn gentiles?

Then why do they need Christ? if there is no minstery of death and judgment against them, then I guess they are all saved.

As for acts 15. Remember, the act of circumcision was given to Abraham (a gentile) as a sign.
 
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Zinzerio

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eternally-gratefull said:
It has? When did it pass away?

And as for her response to you.

17And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

It has not failed. It still is active. It still condemns all who does not obey every letter written in it. It is still very active in the world today, if it were not. We would no longer need Christ.
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It only condems if you dont know what to do with conviction .
 
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Zinzerio

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ivanc0 said:
In benefit of the debate, please ask you Question again, and I will make my best effort to answer it! (Please do not make reference to a post number, Just ask you question. Lets try to ask and answer one point at a time)

Thanks.
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Do you think its ok to break the commandments ? yes or no
 
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