Is Pornography a Deal-Breaker for You?

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seoulsearch

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Thanks for all the great discussion going on here... I'm going to check out the Setting Captives Free site myself--my own personal addiction happens to be food, as I've struggled with various eating disorder symptoms since childhood.

Whenever breaking any persistent sin, bad habit, or addiction, I think one of the most important things is to never do it by yourself (you have to be willing to open up to others and let them hold you accountable) and it may take a variety of different approaches--sometimes all at once. I've tried NUMEROUS angles over the years (Bible study, prayer, groups, medical and psychological help) and I'm still walking it out... but I thank God I'm at a point where I think I'm finally making some progress instead of hanging in limbo or always falling into a yo-yo pattern.

I admire the people here too who are willing to admit their own struggles, and thanks very much to the ones who are offering real suggestions--even ones they've tried themselves--for those of us still not quite completely free.
 
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Those men or women struggling with porn should also take the time to check out XXXchurch.com, a very good site with some great free tools for men. A fellow co-worker at a church and I became very close friends and in a moment of honesty one day revealed to each other our struggles with pornography. Both being computer programmers, we knew how to work our way around things. We found one of the tools on that site to be awesome for us, an accountability tool. The tool sends a periodic email to your accountability partner that lists every website that you've visited recently and every search. It also lists any time that the service is shut down (it is set up to auto start whenever a connection to the internet is found), so your partner knows when you've turned off your tracker and can raise that question with you. It also allows you to have more than one partner if you'd like to start an accountability circle at your church on the topic.

On average, 45% of all pastors have porn on their work computers, and the rate grows to almost 55% of all church employees having porn on church-owned computers. A random survey that a Christian computing magazine did a few years ago found over 80% of pastoral families had pornography on their computer (though, obviously you can't say FOR SURE in that case that it was the pastor). This is a HUGE problem in our current society where a PG movie often has as many sexual references and jokes as old R movies once did. My 18 y/o brother has watched some older movies with me, and he's questioned why certain films are rated R as they're often less graphic than newer PG and PG-13 movies, especially in sexual content. To all out say that you will not tolerate anyone who's ever had a problem or may ever have a problem is too black and white, in my book. You absolutely should love the person through a struggle as it happens. And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that anyone should accept no action in cleaning porn out of a partner's life. Tolerance by a spouse or partner simply encourages further exploration, often into more lude and disgusting areas.

This is a subject very near and dear to my heart as I've done interviews of the leaders in youth ministries that I've worked with before, and found that my freshman leaders, boys and girls, had very little exposure to pornography, but by the time they were juniors, over half were viewing twice or more per week, and no one, guy or girl, in my seniors stated that they had not ever voluntarily looked at pornography. 100%, boys and girls, before even leaving high school, had sought out pornographic images. Our current 20- and 30-somethings were the first in a rapidly over-exposed world, and the problem is rampant. It is entirely frightening to know what may become of our next generation.

I have dated a young Christian woman who had a problem with porn in a different way - she would go online and expose herself, not for money, but for the "thrill" of it. I confronted her about my personal issues with what she was doing, and explained to her that I could not move forward in a Godly relationship with her doing this, but I would remain her friend. She struggled with that, and eventually she chose to break all contact with me for some time, but she is now receiving counseling, working through her own self image issues and has contacted me to thank her for holding her accountable to God and not to me. Her previous boyfriends, claiming to be Christian, would eventually engross themselves into her struggles and only take her deeper, and she needed to be pointed back to God as the only one she had to feel beautiful for.

Okay, I could talk on this subject for some time, but I'll take a breath now!
 
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Those men or women struggling with porn should also take the time to check out XXXchurch.com, a very good site with some great free tools for men. A fellow co-worker at a church and I became very close friends and in a moment of honesty one day revealed to each other our struggles with pornography. Both being computer programmers, we knew how to work our way around things. We found one of the tools on that site to be awesome for us, an accountability tool. The tool sends a periodic email to your accountability partner that lists every website that you've visited recently and every search. It also lists any time that the service is shut down (it is set up to auto start whenever a connection to the internet is found), so your partner knows when you've turned off your tracker and can raise that question with you. It also allows you to have more than one partner if you'd like to start an accountability circle at your church on the topic.

On average, 45% of all pastors have porn on their work computers, and the rate grows to almost 55% of all church employees having porn on church-owned computers. A random survey that a Christian computing magazine did a few years ago found over 80% of pastoral families had pornography on their computer (though, obviously you can't say FOR SURE in that case that it was the pastor). This is a HUGE problem in our current society where a PG movie often has as many sexual references and jokes as old R movies once did. My 18 y/o brother has watched some older movies with me, and he's questioned why certain films are rated R as they're often less graphic than newer PG and PG-13 movies, especially in sexual content. To all out say that you will not tolerate anyone who's ever had a problem or may ever have a problem is too black and white, in my book. You absolutely should love the person through a struggle as it happens. And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that anyone should accept no action in cleaning porn out of a partner's life. Tolerance by a spouse or partner simply encourages further exploration, often into more lude and disgusting areas.

This is a subject very near and dear to my heart as I've done interviews of the leaders in youth ministries that I've worked with before, and found that my freshman leaders, boys and girls, had very little exposure to pornography, but by the time they were juniors, over half were viewing twice or more per week, and no one, guy or girl, in my seniors stated that they had not ever voluntarily looked at pornography. 100%, boys and girls, before even leaving high school, had sought out pornographic images. Our current 20- and 30-somethings were the first in a rapidly over-exposed world, and the problem is rampant. It is entirely frightening to know what may become of our next generation.

I have dated a young Christian woman who had a problem with porn in a different way - she would go online and expose herself, not for money, but for the "thrill" of it. I confronted her about my personal issues with what she was doing, and explained to her that I could not move forward in a Godly relationship with her doing this, but I would remain her friend. She struggled with that, and eventually she chose to break all contact with me for some time, but she is now receiving counseling, working through her own self image issues and has contacted me to thank her for holding her accountable to God and not to me. Her previous boyfriends, claiming to be Christian, would eventually engross themselves into her struggles and only take her deeper, and she needed to be pointed back to God as the only one she had to feel beautiful for.

Okay, I could talk on this subject for some time, but I'll take a breath now!
I heard about the xxxchurch website from some magazine. The sexual thing is really making its hit on fellow Christians and you are absolutely right in saying that we should be encouraging to others to end the bad habit rather than to shun them away and discourage them from ever really taking a good look at what they are doing.
 
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I think it would be something that I would be extremely bothered by. If we was actively doing everything he could to stop, then yeah...I'd give him a shot- but if he just accepted it as something that will 'always be something he does'...then bye lol. I don't mean to sound harsh, but I'm just really disturbed by the idea of dating someone who looks at pornography...I don't want to feel like I have to live up to some unreal expectations and the way it objectifies women as solely sex objects and vessels to fulfill man's lusts...then yeah...I wonder if he really appreciates all that a woman has to offer.
 
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I think it would be something that I would be extremely bothered by. If we was actively doing everything he could to stop, then yeah...I'd give him a shot- but if he just accepted it as something that will 'always be something he does'...then bye lol. I don't mean to sound harsh, but I'm just really disturbed by the idea of dating someone who looks at pornography...I don't want to feel like I have to live up to some unreal expectations and the way it objectifies women as solely sex objects and vessels to fulfill man's lusts...then yeah...I wonder if he really appreciates all that a woman has to offer.
And I think that is a very normal response. You shouldn't be expected to put up with a man who will not stop looking at pornography for you! I am talking more about the man that does want to change and isn't given a chance in society because he isn't there - yet.
 
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Jordan9

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As someone currently struggling with pornography, I have to say, no woman (or man, because guys don't have the monopoly on this) should have to "put up with it."
 
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songster

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The issue of viewing pornography is a serious one, and is usually accompanied by a masturbatory addiction. I’ve dealt with this myself and have had countless friends, some of whom are very successful businessmen, dealing with the same compulsions. I can not stress the point enough to women, not to become involved with men who have not overcome this addictive behavior.

What you are seeing and hearing when the person says one thing and does another is evidence of the existence of an intense battle.

Fetishes and voyeurism take different forms, and pornography viewing is usually only the most obvious problem. There are deep intimacy issues represented here, and unless a woman desires to spend her life fixing her mate, she should first ask the Lord for a husband, and then, ask for a confirmation from the Lord, showing quite clearly that he was sent from God.

Pornography viewing is voyeurism, ( hiding while viewing). This eliminates the risk of rejection. While women view pornography for different reasons ranging from curiosity, to developing sex skills, men view with a deliberate intent to satisfy both the sexual desire (one of a man’s most prevalent needs), and the need to connect or to be intimate. This is not actually fulfilling that need for intimacy, It’s replacing it!

Insecurities in men, associated with this addiction, can include periodic impotence, parental difficulties as a child, and general low self esteem. Here is the most important note about this issue, ‘The man who is addicted to fetishes and/or viewing pornography, is never satisfied! ’ The desire is insatiable and more creative viewing material is eventually sought. Pornography appeals to the same area of the brain that cocaine and other pleasure producing drugs do. Unless you are helping a family member, I strongly advise against pursuing a relationship with someone who is still struggling with this addictive habit.

To those who are actually struggling with this seriously underestimated addictive behavior, It can be beaten, you can overcome it, with the Lords help.
 
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The issue of viewing pornography is a serious one, and is usually accompanied by a masturbatory addiction. I’ve dealt with this myself and have had countless friends, some of whom are very successful businessmen, dealing with the same compulsions. I can not stress the point enough to women, not to become involved with men who have not overcome this addictive behavior.

What you are seeing and hearing when the person says one thing and does another is evidence of the existence of an intense battle.

Fetishes and voyeurism take different forms, and pornography viewing is usually only the most obvious problem. There are deep intimacy issues represented here, and unless a woman desires to spend her life fixing her mate, she should first ask the Lord for a husband, and then, ask for a confirmation from the Lord, showing quite clearly that he was sent from God.

Pornography viewing is voyeurism, ( hiding while viewing). This eliminates the risk of rejection. While women view pornography for different reasons ranging from curiosity, to developing sex skills, men view with a deliberate intent to satisfy both the sexual desire (one of a man’s most prevalent needs), and the need to connect or to be intimate. This is not actually fulfilling that need for intimacy, It’s replacing it!

Insecurities in men, associated with this addiction, can include periodic impotence, parental difficulties as a child, and general low self esteem. Here is the most important note about this issue, ‘The man who is addicted to fetishes and/or viewing pornography, is never satisfied! ’ The desire is insatiable and more creative viewing material is eventually sought. Pornography appeals to the same area of the brain that cocaine and other pleasure producing drugs do. Unless you are helping a family member, I strongly advise against pursuing a relationship with someone who is still struggling with this addictive habit.

To those who are actually struggling with this seriously underestimated addictive behavior, It can be beaten, you can overcome it, with the Lords help.
Impressive response. Thanks for taking the time to right it.
 

seoulsearch

OutWrite Trouble
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Thank you all for such honest and heartfelt posts. I'm very encouraged to see such strong views that there are others out there who feel porn is something that should not be passively tolerated.

Please keep sharing your thoughts and experiences.

And for all of us who struggle with persistent habits, addictions, faults... I pray that God will give us all the strength to overcome.
 
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Hello everyone...

I became glad by reading all the posts of this subject. By Gods grace im fortunately not addicted to porn, but im aware of its danger! I want to encourage everyone who are struggling with this: Gods merci is big enough, not only to forgive this sin, but also to help us winning this struggle! Our temptation (and weakness for it) is never bigger than His grace and power to conquer this temptation.

God bless all of you!
 
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The issue of viewing pornography is a serious one, and is usually accompanied by a masturbatory addiction. I’ve dealt with this myself and have had countless friends, some of whom are very successful businessmen, dealing with the same compulsions. I can not stress the point enough to women, not to become involved with men who have not overcome this addictive behavior.

What you are seeing and hearing when the person says one thing and does another is evidence of the existence of an intense battle.

Fetishes and voyeurism take different forms, and pornography viewing is usually only the most obvious problem. There are deep intimacy issues represented here, and unless a woman desires to spend her life fixing her mate, she should first ask the Lord for a husband, and then, ask for a confirmation from the Lord, showing quite clearly that he was sent from God.

Pornography viewing is voyeurism, ( hiding while viewing). This eliminates the risk of rejection. While women view pornography for different reasons ranging from curiosity, to developing sex skills, men view with a deliberate intent to satisfy both the sexual desire (one of a man’s most prevalent needs), and the need to connect or to be intimate. This is not actually fulfilling that need for intimacy, It’s replacing it!

Insecurities in men, associated with this addiction, can include periodic impotence, parental difficulties as a child, and general low self esteem. Here is the most important note about this issue, ‘The man who is addicted to fetishes and/or viewing pornography, is never satisfied! ’ The desire is insatiable and more creative viewing material is eventually sought. Pornography appeals to the same area of the brain that cocaine and other pleasure producing drugs do. Unless you are helping a family member, I strongly advise against pursuing a relationship with someone who is still struggling with this addictive habit.

To those who are actually struggling with this seriously underestimated addictive behavior, It can be beaten, you can overcome it, with the Lords help.

Very, very well thought out an articulate.

That's pretty much the definition of letting the perfect be the enemy of the good. At the end of the day, the point is to have not watched porn, not to be a rugged individualist.
Also extremely true and well said, good input.

It would be a deal breaker for me for the exact reason songster pointed out. Pornography is a habitual addiction, I wouldn't want to become involved with someone who has not overcome that addiction by God's grace. I used to have the standard that I never wanted to start something with someone who has EVER struggled with porn.. not because I didn't think they deserved a second chance or anything like that.. but just because of the psychological effects it has on men and the amount of users who end up returning to it when circumstances grow dim.

Thats no longer a standard I hold. First of all I think the vast majority of men have struggled with it at some point or another, so thats a bit unrealistic of me. Secondly, I know that when God washes away our sin He does it completely... and if it is something a future husband of mine would fall back into I would just have to take that risk and forgive him and show him the mercy God has shown me- as difficult as that may be.

But for someone who still has a problem, absolutely not happening.
 
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It's simply an ugly expression of egoism. The root is the ego and nothing else. But this only valid for believers. Hence it's not conducive to a healthy relationship.
 
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Cako53

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First off. I would advise you against a relationship with anyone watching porn. I suffered from a 4 year very heavy pornography addiction, and it truly does mess up your mind and how you view everyday things. I am still needing God to help me in my recovery as my mind hasn't fully been cleared from the stuff I once put into my brain. The part of your brain that get's addicted to pornography is the same part that get's addicted to heroin, and doctors say that it is just as addictive as heroin. Now you might not believe that, but I personally do. It doesn't matter how nice of a guy or girl they may seem, they have so major issues they need to sort out. Even if they appear to be a Godly person, trust me they aren't. I have lived that double life before. The images that you put into your head push you further and further away from God, you basically build your own wall inbetween you and God. I don't think it is faithful to be dating someone and being a pornography watcher. They might not even realise how addicted they are until they quit. I never realised how much it consumed my everyday life until I quit and I was trying to fill in those time slots. My morning before school would be porn, got home from school before work porn, and that night about 2 hours of porn. My daily activities revolved around it, how would this be fair to your partner? So all in all, my answer would be no. Don't get into a relationship like this.
 
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of course it's a deal breaker. I can't have him watching someone else have sex. I would be super jealous. I want a nice boy :)
 
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ClimbingUpward

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After I got married, my husband told me he was into porn. That didn't sit well with me as I was and still am a Christian. He was, but had backslidden somewhere along the line. Didn't backslide obviously, still went to church etc, so was a huge slap in the face when he confessed. If we weren't married. I would've walked away, but seeing as we were, I didn't have much choice but to stay.

Didn't trust him again for a long time. Especially after my mum, walked in ion him on computer and porn up on screen, which he said was an accident, but how do things like that just pop up on the screen? Can anyone answer that for me?

Porn unfortunately is highly addictive, as hideous as it is, men for some reason can't help themselves. but also in saying that, not ALL men are into that, and not ALL men have even looked at it. And there are men who may have been into it at one stage, but are not now. My husband as for one. My brother, for another. They are men of God, that's what got them out of it.

The excuse, 'boys will be boys'...pile of rubbish!! God did not intend for 'boys' too look at that kind of stuff. People are giving in to this too easily. The people who say that have given up. And they probably aren't Christian. I have friends who speak like that. It saddens me, that they don't see it as a big deal.
 
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Cako53

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After I got married, my husband told me he was into porn. That didn't sit well with me as I was and still am a Christian. He was, but had backslidden somewhere along the line. Didn't backslide obviously, still went to church etc, so was a huge slap in the face when he confessed. If we weren't married. I would've walked away, but seeing as we were, I didn't have much choice but to stay.

Didn't trust him again for a long time. Especially after my mum, walked in ion him on computer and porn up on screen, which he said was an accident, but how do things like that just pop up on the screen? Can anyone answer that for me?

Porn unfortunately is highly addictive, as hideous as it is, men for some reason can't help themselves. but also in saying that, not ALL men are into that, and not ALL men have even looked at it. And there are men who may have been into it at one stage, but are not now. My husband as for one. My brother, for another. They are men of God, that's what got them out of it.

The excuse, 'boys will be boys'...pile of rubbish!! God did not intend for 'boys' too look at that kind of stuff. People are giving in to this too easily. The people who say that have given up. And they probably aren't Christian. I have friends who speak like that. It saddens me, that they don't see it as a big deal.
INDEED! It is possible for porn to pop up, when you get viruses and such, but the chances of it popping up at that time are quite slim. I'm sorry you had to go through that though.
 

zeroturbulence

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Long story short--I was dating someone once, and stopped over at their house (he lived with his Mom) unannounced one day... and there on his desk... was a three-inch stack of "pictures" he's printed out from the internet... ...
So I guess those pictures came in handy after you left o_O

Sorry...I couldnt resist! :D
 
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I don't have much of a problem if she is looking at porn, as long as it's not perverted, it's not a deal breaker, but certainly something to be avoided. In the words of Ray Romano's dad I think it was
"Who cares where she gets her appetite as long as she has her meal at home. "
 
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Leilaii425

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I don't have much of a problem if she is looking at porn, as long as it's not perverted, it's not a deal breaker, but certainly something to be avoided. In the words of Ray Romano's dad I think it was
"Who cares where she gets her appetite as long as she has her meal at home. "

Not only is that ridiculas, but humorous as well.
 
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Cako53

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I don't have much of a problem if she is looking at porn, as long as it's not perverted, it's not a deal breaker, but certainly something to be avoided. In the words of Ray Romano's dad I think it was
"Who cares where she gets her appetite as long as she has her meal at home. "
Yea, is that supposed to be serious? I found it funny, but not sure if I should take you seriously?