Tintin, for a long time I've known you weren't fond of me. I've posted 1300 times and I've seen you *liking mostly posts that directly oppose my statements. Out of 1300 posts not one time have I had an alert that says you've liked one. Where did I first go wrong with you? where do I continually go wrong with you?
How do I start a church?
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We do agree on most of your key points and I'm not trying to take anything away from the school you attended or why. Which seminary school would you suggest that won't teach me a biased doctrine? There are many false teachers out there and many of them (if not all of them in the church) have seminary degrees.
Leading a church has been something I've felt God has wanted me to do from the beginning. I didn't NEED to come to a forum, I've been here. I chose to ask and see my brothers and sisters opinions and advice. Sure, there are lots of people I can speak to personally about this. Don't think I'm not. Does that mean I shouldn't ask about it here?
DeadtoSin........what I find really amusing is that some criticize you for not wanting to learn from men..........and then question why you would come to a Christian Forum to ask their opinions............
NOW THAT RIGHT THERE IS FUNNY, I don't care who you are.......
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Originally Posted by breno785au
Thanks man, I was thinking those same thoughts, just didn't know how to word it.
And i'll just put it out there and not to discourage, it's probably just me but if you need to come onto a forum and ask how to start a church...maybe you shouldn't...just yet...i mean, dont you have anyone you can speak to personally about this?
Leading a church has been something I've felt God has wanted me to do from the beginning. I didn't NEED to come to a forum, I've been here. I chose to ask and see my brothers and sisters opinions and advice. Sure, there are lots of people I can speak to personally about this. Don't think I'm not. Does that mean I shouldn't ask about it here?
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As a minister with 20 years of service serving in the office of Bishop for several years I see no reason to not tell you the truth. All the points are just that points to cinsider. You stated you are not very trustibg of the world. Well welcome to real life ministry I am not either!That is not my focus trusting the world. My focus is trusting that God will direct and guide me while I visit this world. School is not a bad place to go. It is not a requirement perse but hey if Jesus taught then we must be willing to be taught is my point. As far as your walk well you are not walking alone! I as well as many others walk with you each day even if you don't see us.Spending a great deal of time learning from others could be very dangerous as you don't knoe their intent always. It is just wise to get some formal education even if you get it from a well established Pastor you find to be in line with your beliefs. Just be wise is all I am saying. And be very aware of the many angels of light that will fool the very elect if it were possible!!1
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I'm in agreement with all that has been said that is inline with scripture the rest I throw out with the bath water.Jesus formed my understanding of what it is to be a teacher,leader,man,Pastor,dad and all that I am. His formal teachings on Church did not include boards of directors and voting and all the foolishness we consider Church. Following the law and standards of the land he taught to do that but not in conflict with his word. There is a way that always seems right to man,but at the end of it is destruction. I believe the words of God not just to be figuartive but literal as well and when rightly dived we have issues in our understanding. Even after 20 years of ministry i am still teachable and open to God renewing any wrong patterns of understanding he points out in my life through other believers. If he can use a donkeyto point the way then I can hear a donkey speak to me. Just a few thoughts.
Apparently, some here have never studied the Book of Acts..........do they not discuss Acts in Seminary?
NOW THAT RIGHT THERE IS FUNNY, I don't care who you are.......
QUOTES......
Originally Posted by breno785au
And i'll just put it out there and not to discourage, it's probably just me but if you need to come onto a forum and ask how to start a church...maybe you shouldn't...just yet...i mean, dont you have anyone you can speak to personally about this?
Leading a church has been something I've felt God has wanted me to do from the beginning. I didn't NEED to come to a forum, I've been here. I chose to ask and see my brothers and sisters opinions and advice. Sure, there are lots of people I can speak to personally about this. Don't think I'm not. Does that mean I shouldn't ask about it here?
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As a minister with 20 years of service serving in the office of Bishop for several years I see no reason to not tell you the truth. All the points are just that points to cinsider. You stated you are not very trustibg of the world. Well welcome to real life ministry I am not either!That is not my focus trusting the world. My focus is trusting that God will direct and guide me while I visit this world. School is not a bad place to go. It is not a requirement perse but hey if Jesus taught then we must be willing to be taught is my point. As far as your walk well you are not walking alone! I as well as many others walk with you each day even if you don't see us.Spending a great deal of time learning from others could be very dangerous as you don't knoe their intent always. It is just wise to get some formal education even if you get it from a well established Pastor you find to be in line with your beliefs. Just be wise is all I am saying. And be very aware of the many angels of light that will fool the very elect if it were possible!!1
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I'm in agreement with all that has been said that is inline with scripture the rest I throw out with the bath water.Jesus formed my understanding of what it is to be a teacher,leader,man,Pastor,dad and all that I am. His formal teachings on Church did not include boards of directors and voting and all the foolishness we consider Church. Following the law and standards of the land he taught to do that but not in conflict with his word. There is a way that always seems right to man,but at the end of it is destruction. I believe the words of God not just to be figuartive but literal as well and when rightly dived we have issues in our understanding. Even after 20 years of ministry i am still teachable and open to God renewing any wrong patterns of understanding he points out in my life through other believers. If he can use a donkeyto point the way then I can hear a donkey speak to me. Just a few thoughts.
Apparently, some here have never studied the Book of Acts..........do they not discuss Acts in Seminary?
Thank you Sister for your kind words...........When I first read the OP, I actually hesitated to respond, because I did not know the Theological ideologies of the Author............but, then I decided to respond, BUT DO SO in the strict parameters of "HOW TO START A CHURCH." Without regard for Theological ideology............
Way I saw it was this: Even IF I may disagree with a persons ideology, does that mean they do not have the right to have that ideology/belief? NO. Does that mean they don't have the right to join in congregational worship with like minded believes? No. So, based on that, my sole intent was to offer what knowledge I have concerning the "nuts and bolts" procedure of starting a Church.
Thanks again.............
Way I saw it was this: Even IF I may disagree with a persons ideology, does that mean they do not have the right to have that ideology/belief? NO. Does that mean they don't have the right to join in congregational worship with like minded believes? No. So, based on that, my sole intent was to offer what knowledge I have concerning the "nuts and bolts" procedure of starting a Church.
Thanks again.............
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Hi. Yes, I know we don't see eye-to-eye. I don't have a problem with you but many of your beliefs. They're just not biblically-sound. I don't know where to begin. If I've liked posts opposing yours, it's not personal, but more that I agree with what the other person has said. Again, I have no problem with you.
T
Yes, there are many false teachers out there and many of them have seminary degrees but it's just like anything, there are bad apples in every bunch. Let me explain. Most priests don't harm children but some pedophiles became priests because they would have easy access to children. Most pastors etc. don't harm their congregations but more and more are falling to spiritual pride and become totalitarian leaders, not what God intended. If people try to bring godly correction, they're shut down or thrown-out. In short, some become pastors etc. to control people, not because they want to help shepherd God's people to walk in Spirit and Truth. To be a pastor, it means one has to be a godly leader - one who's intensely humble and is honest with God and the people around him. One who seeks correction when his beliefs/words don't align with God's. I wish you the best.
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Brother lets be clear your walk is your walk and how you walk that walk is between you and God I only want to assist you if I can if i cant I'll keep it moving. My post are clear school is a choice of each man. I simply said Jesus taught. I'm not debating the issue I just point out facts.Yes there are several and I mean several false teachers as well as pastors I know it and you do too. I've agreed with most of what you have said I just have strong convictions on how to do certian things just as I am suer you do. I have no ill will or bad feelings abou tany post. I do not think its funny I think it is serious and mean well in my words. I like several schools Liberty comes to mind or Jacksonville But that is just a few of SOOOO many. I went to Crossroads.Your points are well taken and have some validity never said they didn't. Just be cautious.
Hello Deadtosin,
It sounds as though you already have a congregation. Is it necessary to 'start' anything? Just wait and see if God adds to your numbers. If you are each already, as individuals, enjoying the fellowship that we all share - with the Father and with His Son through the Spirit: then you already have all that you need.
It sounds as though you already have a congregation. Is it necessary to 'start' anything? Just wait and see if God adds to your numbers. If you are each already, as individuals, enjoying the fellowship that we all share - with the Father and with His Son through the Spirit: then you already have all that you need.
So, is it "foolishness" for a church congregation to come together in the Name of the Lord and conduct church business? Well, let us look at Scripture.........
Acts 1:6) And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples, and said, (the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty,) 16 .) Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus.17 .) For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.18 .) Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.19 .) And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood.20 .) For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.
21 .) Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,
22 .) Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection. 23 .) And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias. 24 .) And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen, 25 .) That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place. 26 .) And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.
This event clearly shows that 120 disciples of Christ "came together/congregated" to determine who would replace Judas as one of the twelve.......they discussed it, they CHOSE TWO nominees........AND THEY VOTED to see which would be chosen.
............just saying.........
Acts 1:6) And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples, and said, (the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty,) 16 .) Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus.17 .) For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.18 .) Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.19 .) And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood.20 .) For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.
21 .) Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,
22 .) Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection. 23 .) And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias. 24 .) And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen, 25 .) That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place. 26 .) And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.
This event clearly shows that 120 disciples of Christ "came together/congregated" to determine who would replace Judas as one of the twelve.......they discussed it, they CHOSE TWO nominees........AND THEY VOTED to see which would be chosen.
............just saying.........