AM I JEW OR A GENTILE IF I KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS ?

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phil112

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do you believe if one does not obey some of the Mosaic laws they can not be saved
Find where I said that, and I will call myself a liar.
I guess I need you to tell me what the danger is you mention here, then.
Talking against the law is dangerous...........Putting down the law just to get over it is very dangerous and that comes from a carnal mind.
 
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phil112

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.................... The Jews did not kill Jesus.
IT WAS GOD'S AND CHRIST'S LOVE FOR HUMANITY THAT ULTIMATELY KILLED JESUS CHRIST.................

Just wow! You have no, absolutely no, reading comprehension and or, understanding of the word of God. What say, shall we ask Stephen?
Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers
 
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Just wow! You have no, absolutely no, reading comprehension and or, understanding of the word of God. What say, shall we ask Stephen?
I immediately thought of this scripture you posted concerning who killed Jesus.....and it also seems that....

1. The Jews delivered him to be killed at the result of a sham trial that broke their own laws...
2. The Romans also killed him as Pilate gave the death sentence and Roman Soldiers nailed him to the cross after a good ole beat down........
3. The Heavenly Father desired his death as well so as to fulfill His will...
4. Jesus wanting to please the Father laid down his life willingly...
5. Technically Adam is guilty as well, had he not sinned...
6. EVE...Well that's another story..Had she had her head on straight when the serpent.....
7--->number of completion....Humanity over all is guilty as well as Christ did pay humanities sin debt.

And on and on and on.......:)
 
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phil112

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The jews had murder in their hearts. They absolutely stopped at nothing to do that. They lied, bore false witness against Him, anything they had to do, to accomplish the evil in their heart, so great was their hatred of Christ. God didn't kill Him. That is an insane pronouncement.
Do we kill our children when they get killed on the battlefield in war? Why not? We pay taxes, without which we wouldn't have armed forces................ludicrous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Racism is a devise of the devil, no matter what race it is, even Jews. The Jews did not kill Jesus.
IT WAS GOD'S AND CHRIST'S LOVE FOR HUMANITY THAT ULTIMATELY KILLED JESUS CHRIST.
“For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whomsoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life” (John 3:16).

But then you think God was "surprised" by the turn of events, that it was not His perfect will..

and that is "academic"? I'd say, more like your foundation is cracked.
Let's see who actually killed Jesus Christ:

And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shat bruise his heel. Gen. 3:15

Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve. Luke 22:3
And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray him; John 13:2

Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect [mature]: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this world knew; for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Eph. 6:12

God's plan for salvation was to give his Son - Jesus laid down his life doing his Father's will but in all started in Gen. 3:15 I will put enmity between thy seed and her seed . . . .


 
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Karraster

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Antisemitism is on the rise, and we all know where that leads. Unless you are a denier. Hatred of the Jews is in the Bible from cover to cover, and the haters are not the good guys.

We all killed Jesus, don't blame it on the Jews. We all sin, and He died in our place. Isn't that a good reason to rejoice? I think so. Jesus laid His life down, no greater Love than a man lay his life down for a friend, and He invites us to be His friends.

Don't blame the Jews. They are human beings, and God loves them, and Jesus asked Father to forgive them, for they know not what they do, and that while Jesus was still on the tree. I hope He will ask leniency for me as well.

Hate seeks an outlet, and the Jews have always been an easy target.

Mouth of the False Prophet- the Jews can't live among us as Jews.
Mouth of the Beast-The Jews can't live among us.
Mouth of the Dragon-The Jews cannot live.

Don't be a hater. Jesus expects better of us than hate.
 
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Where do i start first of all i have 6 members here on my ignore list simply your racism is quite clearly to see as when you become a child of God racism does not play a part. I have never seen such hatred in all my life. I am ashamed to be a christian because this is just not christian at all but this IS twisted sects of Christianity at its highest level i would go as far as to say some sort of cult

Whether this is peoples intentions here to be racist i hope not because we know whats happens to people who deliberately sin.

If any of the people who are on my ignore list are doing this either stop it please or please leave Gods children alone.
The world is watching you and always and the lion of Judah. (God)

the God of Abraham is the same God as to today God does not lie and God loves his people and i have shown you all this in Jeremiah in my last post and for people i want to say im sorry about all this perverse wicked side of Christianity.

Jesus is lord and Jesus lets his people go in to fold and out which is not entrapment like the display of entrapment here

There is a threre is a thread called its dangerous to argu about the law go there please not here.
 
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Let's see who actually killed Jesus Christ:

And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shat bruise his heel. Gen. 3:15

Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve. Luke 22:3
And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray him; John 13:2

Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect [mature]: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this world knew; for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Eph. 6:12

God's plan for salvation was to give his Son - Jesus laid down his life doing his Father's will but in all started in Gen. 3:15 I will put enmity between thy seed and her seed . . . .



.....Jesus told that perverse generation of Jews, that they were beget of their father the Devil.....
 
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I´m not GOOD at keeping the comandments (those 613) but I´ve made my life style so I could deal with those 10 Jesus resumed as two: LOVE GOD and those who are like you.
 
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danschance

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I immediately thought of this scripture you posted concerning who killed Jesus.....and it also seems that....

1. The Jews delivered him to be killed at the result of a sham trial that broke their own laws...
2. The Romans also killed him as Pilate gave the death sentence and Roman Soldiers nailed him to the cross after a good ole beat down........
3. The Heavenly Father desired his death as well so as to fulfill His will...
4. Jesus wanting to please the Father laid down his life willingly...
5. Technically Adam is guilty as well, had he not sinned...
6. EVE...Well that's another story..Had she had her head on straight when the serpent.....
7--->number of completion....Humanity over all is guilty as well as Christ did pay humanities sin debt.

And on and on and on.......:)
I agree. Yet you left out one thing. We all killed Jesus and Christian baptism is partaking in His death. Communion is a remebrance of his death as we eat flesh and drink his blood. So we all killed Jesus.

Yes, the Romans share in the guilt, but keep in mind Pontius Pilate tried to set Jesus free and even declared Him innocent. He even tried to let Jesus go a secound time when he said who do you wish me to free Barabas or Jesus? The Jews stood thier ground and demanded Jesus be put to death. Pilate knew he was shedding innocent blood and did a public hand washing to say that his hanbds are clean of HIS blood. The Jews who were present said:

And all the people(Jews) answered, “His blood be on us and on our children!” Matt 27:25
So there you have it. The Jews who were present, willing accepted the guilt of shedding innocent blood of their own Messiah and prefered to let a criminal (Barabas) go free instead of Christ. yet every time we sin, we are also to blame for His death.
 
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Karraster

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Getting hatred out of your heart is not a matter of, ok, alrighty then...most helpful is to pray for whoever is the object of that hate. It's not easy to hate someone you pray for.
 
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danschance

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Getting hatred out of your heart is not a matter of, ok, alrighty then...most helpful is to pray for whoever is the object of that hate. It's not easy to hate someone you pray for.
If you are talking about my last post above, please show me where I posted hate.
 
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I hope he excepts leniency for people here i really do and i wish i did not have to put it so bluntly as i have, but the lion will not stand for innocent shedding of blood.
we know the thief on the cross was shown mercy but the other guy got his eyes plucked out by a crow.

there is hope for sinners in john 14:15-16 if sinners have a sincere heart for it to ask.
and even can people ask his children to help and pray for them to, his is the advice for everyone here from me and please i urge all as brothers and sisters to do this.

its passover soon a time for freedom, and a time when the spirit was given, the spirit brings light and love not hate from a bove.
 
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That makes it sound like Jesus committed suicide on the cross, which is a sin. Pilate's wife told him she had a dream and she warned him to take no action against Jesus:



So I think you may be incorrect in saying this was God's perfect will for Christ to die in this hideous manner. I believe God had another plan, but that is academic at this point.

Pontus Pilate tried his best to let Jesus go. He even declared Jesus to be innocent, but the Jews persisted in demanding His death. Ultimately the Jews plotted His death and virtually forced Pilot to murder an innocent man, very sad.
I dont know how why you have these beliefs?. It is not just.

it is not the Jews who crucify Jesus over and over again its everyone every time you sin you put a stripe on Jesuses back and every time you do something for his children you go in the book of remembrance. where do you want to be ?
where would like his children to be ? do you have loved ones ? do you tell them what you tell his children here ?
i am praying right now i urge all brother and sister to pray to.
 
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Karraster

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Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name.



edit to add....kjv translation...it does not tell the reader what the Name is...........
 
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Grandpa

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The day I was born, it was written on my heart (the example of the Gentiles fulfilling the Law, although they did not have the Law, is a good example of the Lord enlightening everyone who comes upon this Earth (the Law from Christ)).


It is the Law from Christ which speaks of godliness, morality.


The Law given through Moses was given so that there would be an acknowledgement of sin and by which, all were sentenced to Death. But, that Law from Christ does not sentence us to Death, but morally leads us to the Light. What a delight it must be to God to see those who hunger and thirst for His righteous path, that path which speaks His morals.


They who teach lasciviousness teaches immorality and I have yet to have seen only ONE person here on CC who taught that we are free to sin as we PLEASE, only ONE. If we are hearkening to the Spirit, then by this Law from Christ (love), we are satisfying the Law from God (dos and donts). I agree, that same Law would condemn them.




More in agreement then not:

Jesus was talking about satisfying God's will (those moral laws from God which are fulfilled by the act of love) by the Law He has given (actually a reassertion of God's command to love Him and others). It is about a good conscience before God, not the putting away of the filth from the flesh. And we have a good conscience before God when we hearken to His Spirit who leads us to fulfill God's Law through that moral thing we call love.

And as you have implied, am I really fulfilling God's Law if I only hearken to the Spirit when He convicts me to not commit adultery, yet, ignore Him when He convicts me of the immorality of evil thinking? Can I exist as a Christian with my thoughts in a state of contradicting my heart and conscious and the Spirit?
There is no difference between a "moral" law and the 10 commandments. You are using the same verbage as the legalists which attempts to keep Christians under the same law they are no longer under. You are just attempting to trade Ministry of Death with the Ministry of Morality. And by doing that keep everyone under the law.

Being led of the Spirit is not by the work of men, but by God. We don't just try to be moral and good and call that being led by the Spirit. That is being under the Law. Ask any of the legalists here if there is any difference.
 
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There is no difference between a "moral" law and the 10 commandments. You are using the same verbage as the legalists which attempts to keep Christians under the same law they are no longer under. You are just attempting to trade Ministry of Death with the Ministry of Morality. And by doing that keep everyone under the law.

Being led of the Spirit is not by the work of men, but by God. We don't just try to be moral and good and call that being led by the Spirit. That is being under the Law. Ask any of the legalists here if there is any difference.
Grandpa, I guess you are referring to a person such as me, who believes the 10 commandments were given by God and to stand for eternity. I also believe in Messiah, and His spirit to keep me.

I have a question, because I do not understand Christians arguing that God's 10 commandments are no longer valid. My question is, Do you tell your grandchildren the 10 commandments are done away with? Now you may think I'm being a smarty, but I assure you, I do wonder what you tell a 5 year old, or 7, or 15 year old. Because I'm over half a century and I still cannot understand the confusing message, the law is over, it's grace now.
 
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Racism is a devise of the devil, no matter what race it is, even Jews. The Jews did not kill Jesus.
IT WAS GOD'S AND CHRIST'S LOVE FOR HUMANITY THAT ULTIMATELY KILLED JESUS CHRIST.
“For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whomsoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life” (John 3:16).

But then you think God was "surprised" by the turn of events, that it was not His perfect will..

and that is "academic"? I'd say, more like your foundation is cracked.


It was God's Plan to let the evil Jews to ask the romans to kill Jesus,...and who kill Steban? the rocks became a live?
Stop the blind crazines, Most of the Law people in time of Jesus were evil and killed Jesus, and the prophets before him, and apostols, and you forget the biggest killer that finally repented "Paul" and his confession!.
Yes Jesus gave his life, and ask for forgivenes for his killers,...... but that does not take the responsibility of those evil Jews!

And who forbid the jew believers out of the synagogues?
 
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I see what you are saying.

The Law states that we need a sacrifice. So, under the New Covenant, we Christians continue to need the covering of Christ's blood.

The Law states that we need a High Priest between us and God. So, under the New Covenant, we Christians continue to need Christ as our High Priest.

ETC....

Correct?
You nailed it! Pun intended
 

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If I, being under grace, live righteuously then the law is established to the sinner. The law is a tutor so that the unbeliever can find his/her Savior. Grace is not permission to live as I please. How will the law be established in sinners around me if I claim to be of Jesus but live like they do (or worse).