AM I JEW OR A GENTILE IF I KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS ?

[phil112]

................I do not understand Christians arguing that God's 10 commandments are no longer valid. ........................

You and red pepetitively say that, someone is saying the law is gone or destroyed. I don't remember anyone saying that. Would you copy and paste that quote so we will who you are referencing it to?

 

[phil112]

.......................We all killed Jesus, don't blame it on the Jews.

You take blame for it if you wish. I had nothing to do with it and it abhors me.

Don't blame the Jews.

If they murder someone, you darn tootin' I'm going to blame them.

Hate seeks an outlet, and the Jews have always been an easy target.

And the jews at that time and place hated and found their outlet: they murdered Christ.

 

[john832]

Let's see who actually killed Jesus Christ:

And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shat bruise his heel. Gen. 3:15

Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve. Luke 22:3
And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray him; John 13:2

Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect [mature]: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this world knew; for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Eph. 6:12

God's plan for salvation was to give his Son - Jesus laid down his life doing his Father's will but in all started in Gen. 3:15 I will put enmity between thy seed and her seed . . . .

Satan killed Christ through the Romans and at the behest of the jews, but who really killed Christ?

You did and I did and every other person who has ever lived killed Christ...

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

I personally killed Christ and so did you. He died for our sins so that we may live.

 

[cfultz3]

There is no difference between a "moral" law and the 10 commandments.

The 10 commandments are moral laws, just as all the proverbial morals. I did not mean to imply they were not, sorry.

 

[cfultz3]

Being led of the Spirit is not by the work of men, but by God. We don't just try to be moral and good and call that being led by the Spirit. That is being under the Law. Ask any of the legalists here if there is any difference.

To walk pleasingly before God is being a legalist? Okay.....Thanks

 

[phil112]

..........................I personally killed Christ and so did you. He died for our sins so that we may live.

That is preposterous. Christ died for us, so that we might live. If you want to personally take responsibility, go ahead, but it is idiotic to think so.
But, hey, while you're at it, go ahead and accept personal responsibilty for murdering all of the law enforcement men and soldiers that died for you too.

 

[Daley]

repent and you will be saved, give your fears to the lord rejoice and pray for your brothers and sisters to honor the sabbath

Isaiah 66:22-23
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[SUP]22 [/SUP]‘As the new heavens and the new earth that I make will endure before me,’ declares the Lord, ‘so will your name and descendants endure. [SUP]23 [/SUP]From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come and bow down before me,’ says the Lord.

Verse 21 places the priests and Levites in the new world too, so will you be returning to the Levitical priesthood? Hebrews 7 says that priesthood is over.

 

[Brother_Don]

neither jew or gentile, we are children of the Most High, adopted into His family.

 

[Timeline]

That makes it sound like Jesus committed suicide on the cross, which is a sin. Pilate's wife told him she had a dream and she warned him to take no action against Jesus:



So I think you may be incorrect in saying this was God's perfect will for Christ to die in this hideous manner. I believe God had another plan, but that is academic at this point.

Pontus Pilate tried his best to let Jesus go. He even declared Jesus to be innocent, but the Jews persisted in demanding His death. Ultimately the Jews plotted His death and virtually forced Pilot to murder an innocent man, very sad.

Jesus did give up his own life. I definitely would not call it suicide because suicide is usually selfish and done in dispare. Jesus gave his life to become sin so that our sin was removed. Jesus' life, death, and resurrection was the plan before Adam and Eve sinned in the garden. Jesus was foreshadowed in the garden, law, prophecy, etc.

 

[just-me]

Jesus did give up his own life. I definitely would not call it suicide because suicide is usually selfish and done in dispare. Jesus gave his life to become sin so that our sin was removed. Jesus' life, death, and resurrection was the plan before Adam and Eve sinned in the garden. Jesus was foreshadowed in the garden, law, prophecy, etc.

Amen!! reading Psalms 22 confirms that Jesus' death, and the way it happened (in detail) was the plan all along. The time of the crucifixion also matches perfectly with Passover. Jesus predicted His own death, and even said "Not my will, but thine." The 3rd day after the Exodus is related to Jesus' resurrection, and the cross, or tree, if you will. Exodus 15:22-25

If that isn't love, I don't know what else it could be.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Let's see who actually killed Jesus Christ:

And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shat bruise his heel. Gen. 3:15

Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve. Luke 22:3
And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray him; John 13:2

Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect [mature]: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this world knew; for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Eph. 6:12

God's plan for salvation was to give his Son - Jesus laid down his life doing his Father's will but in all started in Gen. 3:15 I will put enmity between thy seed and her seed . . . .

I think we need to remember something.

jesus was God, as god, no one could kill him. He could have easily come of that cross after it was finished, and destroyed everyone who was against him. However, He GAVE UP THE GHOST (allowed himself to die) so he could be the first fruits of the resurrection, and also prove the father accepted his sacrifice (otherwise he never would have rose.

and in the great scheme of things, as I said earlier, what killed him was my sin, your sin, and the sin of everyone who ever lived and will live.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Antisemitism is on the rise, and we all know where that leads. Unless you are a denier. Hatred of the Jews is in the Bible from cover to cover, and the haters are not the good guys.

We all killed Jesus, don't blame it on the Jews. We all sin, and He died in our place. Isn't that a good reason to rejoice? I think so. Jesus laid His life down, no greater Love than a man lay his life down for a friend, and He invites us to be His friends.

Don't blame the Jews. They are human beings, and God loves them, and Jesus asked Father to forgive them, for they know not what they do, and that while Jesus was still on the tree. I hope He will ask leniency for me as well.

Hate seeks an outlet, and the Jews have always been an easy target.

Mouth of the False Prophet- the Jews can't live among us as Jews.
Mouth of the Beast-The Jews can't live among us.
Mouth of the Dragon-The Jews cannot live.

Don't be a hater. Jesus expects better of us than hate.

The hatred comes from the catholic church, unfortunately. alot of the protestants brought that hatred and replacement attitude with them.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

.....Jesus told that perverse generation of Jews, that they were beget of their father the Devil.....

true, but would than not be the most of the gentiles also? And did not even jesus still have a heart for them>

Matthew 23:37 [ Jesus Laments over Jerusalem ] “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!

That sounds like love to me, Not hate.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If I, being under grace, live righteuously then the law is established to the sinner. The law is a tutor so that the unbeliever can find his/her Savior. Grace is not permission to live as I please. How will the law be established in sinners around me if I claim to be of Jesus but live like they do (or worse).

of course this is not the question.

The question is can you fulfill the royal law?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You and red pepetitively say that, someone is saying the law is gone or destroyed. I don't remember anyone saying that. Would you copy and paste that quote so we will who you are referencing it to?

yeah, I hear this over and over, but have yet to hear anyone make such a claim

 

[eternally-gratefull]

To walk pleasingly before God is being a legalist? Okay.....Thanks

no, He is saying to do it by following a law. or of your own power (which is saying you are following some law) is being a legalist.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That is preposterous. Christ died for us, so that we might live. If you want to personally take responsibility, go ahead, but it is idiotic to think so.
But, hey, while you're at it, go ahead and accept personal responsibilty for murdering all of the law enforcement men and soldiers that died for you too.

So You do not think your sin killed Christ?

ok.. thanks..

 

[Zinzerio]

The jews had murder in their hearts. They absolutely stopped at nothing to do that. They lied, bore false witness against Him, anything they had to do, to accomplish the evil in their heart, so great was their hatred of Christ. God didn't kill Him. That is an insane pronouncement.
Do we kill our children when they get killed on the battlefield in war? Why not? We pay taxes, without which we wouldn't have armed forces................ludicrous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well that must mean that you are in AN UNBELIEF system too
simply because The farther who Jesus communed with would by no means let his one and only son die on the cross for nothing. its not just jews who murder it everyone you murder your brothers in mind when you teach the wrong way.

Jesus came for sinners in the hope that they would repent. After Jesus died a lot of people where set free and a lot people received the spirit. (The day of Pentecost) And if you read everything what Jesus came for lived for taught and died for you would understand that this verse should be taking note of which is 1 john 2:4 Jesus is Our Advocate

…3By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4The one who says, "I have come to know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him; 5but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him:…

Jesus did not die on the cross for nothing the soon you what he taught and understand the better it will be for you.
you can receive mercy or you can have the crows pluck your eyes out.

1 john 3:10
10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are:


Matthew 19:17-19

New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]17 [/SUP]“Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”
[SUP]18 [/SUP]“Which ones?” he inquired.
Jesus replied, “‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, [SUP]19 [/SUP]honor your father and mother,’[SUP][a][/SUP] and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.

Its is also true that Jesus spoke to thees word too 1 john 3:4-6
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. [SUP]5 [/SUP]But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. [SUP]6 [/SUP]No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.

1 john 3:9
and we also Jesus spoke these words [SUP]9 [/SUP]No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. [SUP]10 [/SUP]This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.

And also Jesus spoke these words


More on love and hatred

[SUP]11 [/SUP]For this is the message you heard from the beginning: we should love one another. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Do not be like Cain, who belonged to the evil one and murdered his brother.

And Jesus also spoke these words Anyone who does not love remains in death. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Anyone who hates a brother or sister is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him.

This is the greatest commandment from Jesus and the way see it is if you love your brother and sister you do not continue to steal to murder to dishonor to bear false witness its simple and it is the truth.

1 John 5:18

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[SUP]18 [/SUP]We know that anyone born of God does not continue to sin; the One who was born of God keeps them safe, and the evil one cannot harm them.
Then we see this from Jesus telling everyone what to do this is another commandment he give he tels everyone not just you he tels everyone this he says

John 14:15-17

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Jesus promises the Holy Spirit

[SUP]15 [/SUP]‘If you love me, keep my commands. [SUP]16 [/SUP]And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you for ever – [SUP]17 [/SUP]the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be[SUP][a][/SUP] in you.

 

[Daley]

There are three kinds of Jews mentioned in the Bible: 1, a biological descendant of the tribe of Judah; 2, a person who practices the law of Moses; 3, a person of the faith of Abraham, such as born again Christians.

 

[Timeline]

of course this is not the question.

The question is can you fulfill the royal law?

I do not believe that we are under the old law. Apparently that is how it came across. I am just saying that we are covered by grace, but that we do not show the sinner, who needs a tutor, how to live if we do wrong. We should behave according to the love and grace extended to us.

[SUP]23 [/SUP]“For this reason the kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who wished to settle accounts with his slaves. [SUP]24 [/SUP]When he had begun to settle them, one who owed him ten thousand talents was brought to him. [SUP]25 [/SUP]But since he did not have the means to repay, his lord commanded him to be sold, along with his wife and children and all that he had, and repayment to be made. [SUP]26 [/SUP]So the slave fell to the ground and prostrated himself before him, saying, ‘Have patience with me and I will repay you everything.’ [SUP]27 [/SUP]And the lord of that slave felt compassion and released him and forgave him the debt. [SUP]28 [/SUP]But that slave went out and found one of his fellow slaves who owed him a hundred denarii; and he seized him and began to choke him, saying, ‘Pay back what you owe.’ [SUP]29 [/SUP]So his fellow slave fell to the ground and began to plead with him, saying, ‘Have patience with me and I will repay you.’ [SUP]30 [/SUP]But he was unwilling and went and threw him in prison until he should pay back what was owed. [SUP]31 [/SUP]So when his fellow slaves saw what had happened, they were deeply grieved and came and reported to their lord all that had happened. [SUP]32 [/SUP]Then summoning him, his lord *said to him, ‘You wicked slave, I forgave you all that debt because you pleaded with me. [SUP]33 [/SUP]Should you not also have had mercy on your fellow slave, in the same way that I had mercy on you?’ [SUP]34 [/SUP]And his lord, moved with anger, handed him over to the torturers until he should repay all that was owed him. [SUP]35 [/SUP]My heavenly Father will also do the same to you, if each of you does not forgive his brother from your heart.”

We all owe/owed the debt and should be aware that we are in the same boat as all mankind. None of us can fulfill our debt. Jesus did that for us. The debt is forgiven in Jesus and we work and live in Him.