Passover/Unleavened Countdown . . .For Those Who Celebrate Them

[tooldtocare]

Many people misunderstand what Passover is all about. According to scripture the Israelites were told to mark their door with blood to distinguish their home from an Egyptian. (which means they lived in identical houses). In the middle of the night some murders entered every house unmarked and murdered the child within. Even the Pharos’s child was murdered. Believe me God would not murder a child!! But cruel murders would!

This cold blooded act proves two things, first the Israelites were not slaves and second this marked the FIRST recorded act of terrorism

BTW Joseph became ruler over all of Egypt and he brings “all” the Israelites out of the wilderness and into Egypt where he gave them the best of the land. They lived in Egypt for 430 years. The only reason they leave Egypt is because Moses murders a man in cold blood and then buries him in the sand. This BTW marks the great EXIDIOUS

 

[Vaudeville]

Wow, thank you! I love these promises! That will be a glorious day!

you missed it by about 2700 years.

 

[Vaudeville]

I never could figure out why it is that anyone who is into distorting the word of God does it by poring out judgments, not on what others read in scripture, but on other people. We are warned against this in the Lord's Prayer.

They seem to think that because scripture warns against false prophets, etc. they have the same right to do it as God does.

have you produced the posts where anyone has said God is bad, the jews are bad kill the law?

 

[Vaudeville]

They are the LORDS Feasts, and they are appointments. We have inherited lies from our forefathers, who thought Christians have replaced Israel. I am so happy to find out that is completely the lie of my lifetime. We are grafted in, better get on board. You can't watch like Messiah told us to do unless you know what time it is. Don't be a foolish virgin.

completely backward. not surprisingly.

 

[Vaudeville]

that deserved a bump, and a thank you.

that deserved correction. the galatian false teachers are alive and well.

 

[Karraster]

They can't??? Then how do you exlain this passage of Scripture:


Zechariah 14:16-19

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. 17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain. 18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the Lord will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles. 19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Ok, this is a future event. It has not happened yet.

I think you highlite words and phrases to try and prove your point and miss the message. Have you read it all together, taking each word into consideration? It says All the families of the earth...as in, all the families of the Earth. When was it that all families of the earth were asked to come to Jerusalem? and when was all nations punished for not going? This is speaking of when Messiah reigns on Earth. That's how I read it.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

Would you tell Christ that same statement?


Luk 22:15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:
Luk 22:16 For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.
Luk 22:17 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves:
Luk 22:18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.
Luk 22:19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.
Luk 22:20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.

Here we see Jesus Christ Himself keeping the Passover with the New Testament symbols. So, by your reasoning, Christ was not keeping the Passover correctly?

That is a very bold statement.

The meal which our Lord Jesus Christ and His apostles were eating was not the Passover meal.

The Passover meal would be eaten the very next night. That is one of the reasons why no passover lamb was mentioned being at the Last Supper. Because the time had not yet come for the Passover lambs to be slain. On the very day that Christ gave His life on the Cross of Calvary (14th of Nisan) as a ransom for all, the Passover lambs were being sacrificed as well.

Therefore John; again, Christ and His apostles did not eat the passover meal since the time for the sacricing of the passover lambs had not yet come. That time would come the very next evening.

Also, Paul says that Christ is our Passover (1 Cor. 5:7).

Here we find Paul keeping the New Testament Feast of Unleavened Bread and instructing a Gentile church in Corinth...

1Co 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
1Co 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

Would you be so bold as to tell Paul he is keeping the Feast incorrectly?

IN 1 Cor. 5, Paul is not referring to the feast of the Passover, but to the feast of the Lord's Supper.

You have to keep the Scriptures in context.

Also remember that the Passover, Feast of Unleavened Bread was a part of the Mosaic Law in the Old Testament.

And Christians are not under the Mosaic Law today. Read Acts 15.


Furthermore; the other Jewish Feasts also were ordinances that were part of the Mosaic Law:




Numbers 9:10-13

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[SUP]10 [/SUP]Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If any man of you or of your posterity shall be unclean by reason of a dead body, or be in a journey afar off, yet he shall keep the passover unto the Lord. [SUP]11 [/SUP]The fourteenth day of the second month at even they shall keep it, and eat it with unleavened bread and bitter herbs. [SUP]12 [/SUP]They shall leave none of it unto the morning, nor break any bone of it: according to all the ordinances of the passover they shall keep it. [SUP]13 [/SUP]But the man that is clean, and is not in a journey, and forbeareth to keep the passover, even the same soul shall be cut off from among his people: because he brought not the offering of the Lord in his appointed season, that man shall bear his sin.



These Ordinances were done away with and abolished by the absolute perfect sacrifice of Jesus Christ our Lord on the Cross of Calvary:



Ephesians 2:14-17

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[SUP]14 [/SUP]For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; [SUP]15 [/SUP]having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; [SUP]16 [/SUP]and that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: [SUP]17 [/SUP]and came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.




Colossians 2:13-17

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[SUP]13 [/SUP]And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; [SUP]14 [/SUP]blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; [SUP]15 [/SUP]and having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: [SUP]17 [/SUP]which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.


Even if Christians wanted to keep the Feast of Unleavened Bread, they are not able to.

Again, why?

Because the Jewish Feasts under the Mosaic Law were meant and designed to be kept at the temple in Jerusalem with meat, drink, and animal offerings.

 

[Karraster]

Luk 22:15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:
Luk 22:16 For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.
Luk 22:17 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves:
Luk 22:18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.

paraphrasing how I read this:

Messiah said,(I long to eat this passover with you, however I must do something first, I want to pay your redemption price, and then someday we will eat Passover together when we are together in Father's Kingdom. He took the cup, gave thanks, and said, take this all of you who are children of God, and divide it among yourselves everyone, but I will not drink of the fruit of the vine until (all the fruit of the vine come in) and I can drink it with all of you children of God when the Kingdom of God has come.

These are appointed Feasts of the LORD. They belong to all who will partake, everyone is invited. These are dress rehearsals for what is to come! They are shadows of something great that is on it's way! Something is casting that shadow getting closer, and I want to be among my brothers and sisters at that party!

 

[john832]

The meal which our Lord Jesus Christ and His apostles were eating was not the Passover meal.

Lemme see here, you are saying that this was NOT the Passover?

Luk 22:15 Then He said to them, "With fervent desire I have desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer;
Luk 22:16 for I say to you, I will no longer eat of it until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God."
Luk 22:17 Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, "Take this and divide it among yourselves;
Luk 22:18 for I say to you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes."
Luk 22:19 And He took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, "This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me."
Luk 22:20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.

Jesus Christ syas it IS the Passover. I gotta go with Christ on this one.

 

[john832]

Many people misunderstand what Passover is all about. According to scripture the Israelites were told to mark their door with blood to distinguish their home from an Egyptian. (which means they lived in identical houses). In the middle of the night some murders entered every house unmarked and murdered the child within. Even the Pharos’s child was murdered. Believe me God would not murder a child!! But cruel murders would!

This cold blooded act proves two things, first the Israelites were not slaves and second this marked the FIRST recorded act of terrorism

BTW Joseph became ruler over all of Egypt and he brings “all” the Israelites out of the wilderness and into Egypt where he gave them the best of the land. They lived in Egypt for 430 years. The only reason they leave Egypt is because Moses murders a man in cold blood and then buries him in the sand. This BTW marks the great EXIDIOUS

You're making this up, right?

 

[SarahM777]

Would you mind rephrasing your post. You have a lot of different tenses in there and some missing punctuation that make it hard to understand.

Thanks!

I will try again (But then it would NOT be a good idea to try to learn Greek and Hebrew by that method,neither use punctuation or paragraphs)

They understand by the time Jesus was born,that Jerusalem was the place that God choose. That is why they WENT to Jerusalem for the festivals. When God spoke to Moses it was FUTURE to Moses,NOT to the Jews in Jesus day,to them it was in the past as to where they were to go.

The gist of it is that God had not yet TOLD THEM where the place was to be.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

These are appointed Feasts of the LORD. They belong to all who will partake, everyone is invited. These are dress rehearsals for what is to come! They are shadows of something great that is on it's way! Something is casting that shadow getting closer, and I want to be among my brothers and sisters at that party!

Those appointed Jewish Feasts were for Israel to keep under the Mosaic Law.

And if you are not in Jerusalem, with a Levite priest, and a Temple, along with a burnt offering, drink offering, meat offering, and a animal sacrifice, then you are not keeping any of these Jewish Feasts.

 

[KohenMatt]

I will try again (But then it would NOT be a good idea to try to learn Greek and Hebrew by that method,neither use punctuation or paragraphs)

I hear ya on the Hebrew. Fortunately, we're speaking English right now, so those things matter.

They understand by the time Jesus was born,that Jerusalem was the place that God choose. That is why they WENT to Jerusalem for the festivals. When God spoke to Moses it was FUTURE to Moses,NOT to the Jews in Jesus day,to them it was in the past as to where they were to go.

The gist of it is that God had not yet TOLD THEM where the place was to be.

Correct. Which means at the time God gave Moses the instruction on the Feasts, God had not yet set up Jerusalem as the place He put His name. Which means it was a different place. And today, we know that God has placed His name in each one of His people, which means we can celebrate the Feasts no matter where we are.

But, if you want to interpret Deut 14:23-25,
"You shall eat in the presence of the Lord your God, at the place where He chooses to establish His name, the tithe of your grain, your new wine, your oil, and the firstborn of your herd and your flock, so that you may learn to fear the Lord your God always.24 If the distance is so great for you that you are not able to bring the tithe, since the place where the Lord your God chooses to set His name is too far away from you when the Lord your God blesses you,25 then you shall exchange it for money, and bind the money in your hand and go to the place which the Lord your God chooses". . .

as saying that it can only be 1 place, that's OK. I won't begrudge you that. And honestly, it shouldn't even matter to you since the Feasts don't appear to be important to you.

For those of us who do though, we do it with great joy knowing that God dwells in us and in each other, and knowing that
Matthew 18:20
"For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst",
we can celebrate His Feasts where we are, in fellowship with one another.

But again, I won't begrudge you if you choose to interpret it differently. Fortunately, it's not a salvation issue.

Blessings,
Matt

 

[KohenMatt]

Good news, my wife finished cleaning out the cabinets, so we only have a few more things to go through. Our church is meeting this Sunday to clean out our kitchen, and do some more deep-cleaning together.

Just a few more days away!

Blessings to you all,
Matt

 

[ChosenbyHim]

Lemme see here, you are saying that this was NOT the Passover?

Luk 22:15 Then He said to them, "With fervent desire I have desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer;
Luk 22:16 for I say to you, I will no longer eat of it until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God."
Luk 22:17 Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, "Take this and divide it among yourselves;
Luk 22:18 for I say to you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes."
Luk 22:19 And He took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, "This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me."
Luk 22:20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.

Jesus Christ syas it IS the Passover. I gotta go with Christ on this one.

What our Lord was expressing in Luke 22:15 is simply that He longed to eat the soon coming Passover with His disciples.


The meal which they ate at the Last Supper was a Preparatory meal. It was not the passover itself.


It could not have been because the Lord Jesus Christ and His disciples ate the Last Supper on the 13th of Nisan.



John 19:13-14

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

13 When Pilate therefore heard that saying, he brought Jesus forth, and sat down in the judgment seat in a place that is called the Pavement, but in the Hebrew, Gabbatha. 14 And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!




We know from reading the above passage of Scripture that Pilate presented Jesus Christ to the crowd of Jews at 12 Noon on the 13th of Nisan.

The previous chapter in John also further proves that the Last Supper meal was not the Passover:



John 18:28-32

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28 Then led they Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the passover. 29 Pilate then went out unto them, and said, What accusation bring ye against this man?30 They answered and said unto him, If he were not a malefactor, we would not have delivered him up unto thee. 31 Then said Pilate unto them, Take ye him, and judge him according to your law. The Jews therefore said unto him, It is not lawful for us to put any man to death: 32 that the saying of Jesus might be fulfilled, which he spake, signifying what death he should die.

 

[Karraster]

Good news, my wife finished cleaning out the cabinets, so we only have a few more things to go through. Our church is meeting this Sunday to clean out our kitchen, and do some more deep-cleaning together.

Just a few more days away!

Blessings to you all,
Matt

You guys are more organized than me! My kitchen is waiting till Sunday, because I cook almost every day. I never thought of it before, but wonder if tax day is a coincidence on 15th? hmm those darn evildoers...always tryin to rain on our parade! lol

Pride and arrogance, wish I could sweep every bit of that up! One day at a time, God willing.



~Blessings~

 

[KohenMatt]

So check this out.....

At Passover, we celebrate Israel's deliverance from bondage. 2 months ago, my 7.5 year old son broke his leg and has been a cast ever since, all the while going crazy because he can't do anything. I asked him last night if he had learned anything from going through the leg (and a separate surgery in February), and he said that he learned that bad things will always happen to you, but you have to trust God is doing something through it,and to be tough and know that complaining about it will only make it worse. I was amazed that that came from my boy!

And by the way, he gets his cast off next Tuesday. God is about ready to deliver him from the "bondage" he's been in for the last 2 months.

Next Tuesday is Passover!

Our God is incredible!!

 

[Karraster]

That is worth many smiles!!

 

[john832]

Those appointed Jewish Feasts were for Israel to keep under the Mosaic Law.

And if you are not in Jerusalem, with a Levite priest, and a Temple, along with a burnt offering, drink offering, meat offering, and a animal sacrifice, then you are not keeping any of these Jewish Feasts.

Gotta love the way they are referred to as "Jewish" Feasts...

Lev 23:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

who is doing the talking here? Moses? Or God Almighty?

Lev 23:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.

Who do these Feasts belong to? The Jews? Nope, scripture says they belong to, are the property of Almighty God.

Lev 23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

And I'll bet you thought that said "the Sabbath of the Jews", didn't you?

Lev 23:4 These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.

Whose Feasts? The Jews? The Eternal God's Feasts.

Lev 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover.
Lev 23:6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.

Now where'd that come from? I thought that chocolate bunnies, colored eggs and sun worship (sunrise services) were the feasts the church taught. Oh wait, that is the feasts most churches teach.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

Gotta love the way they are referred to as "Jewish" Feasts...

Lev 23:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

who is doing the talking here? Moses? Or God Almighty?

Lev 23:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.

Who do these Feasts belong to? The Jews? Nope, scripture says they belong to, are the property of Almighty God.

They are the LORD's Feasts and they were given to ISRAEL to keep.

Not the Body of Christ.

Lev 23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

And I'll bet you thought that said "the Sabbath of the Jews", didn't you?

Lev 23:4 These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.

Whose Feasts? The Jews? The Eternal God's Feasts.

And again; He gave them to the Nation of Israel.

And His Sabbaths were given as a Sign between Him and Israel, His chosen people.



Ezekiel 20:18-21

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

18 But I said unto their children in the wilderness, Walk ye not in the statutes of your fathers, neither observe their judgments, nor defile yourselves with their idols: 19 I am the Lord your God; walk in my statutes, and keep my judgments, and do them; 20 and hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the Lord your God. 21 Notwithstanding the children rebelled against me: they walked not in my statutes, neither kept my judgments to do them, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; they polluted my sabbaths: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them, to accomplish my anger against them in the wilderness.



And the Feasts of the Lord are Jewish Feasts:


John 2:13-16

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13 And the Jews’ passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem, 14 and found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting: 15 and when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers’ money, and overthrew the tables; 16 and said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father’s house an house of merchandise.



John 7:2-3

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2 Now the Jews’ feast of tabernacles was at hand. 3 His brethren therefore said unto him, Depart hence, and go into Judæa, that thy disciples also may see the works that thou doest.




John 11:54-56

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54 Jesus therefore walked no more openly among the Jews; but went thence unto a country near to the wilderness, into a city called Ephraim, and there continued with his disciples.
55 And the Jews’ passover was nigh at hand: and many went out of the country up to Jerusalem before the passover, to purify themselves. 56 Then sought they for Jesus, and spake among themselves, as they stood in the temple, What think ye, that he will not come to the feast?


John 19:41-42

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41 Now in the place where he was crucified there was a garden; and in the garden a new sepulchre, wherein was never man yet laid. 42 There laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jews’ preparation day; for the sepulchre was nigh at hand.

Lev 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover.
Lev 23:6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.


Now where'd that come from? I thought that chocolate bunnies, colored eggs and sun worship (sunrise services) were the feasts the church taught. Oh wait, that is the feasts most churches teach.

Well what we (body of Christ) partake in is the Lord's Supper (1 Cor. 11). And what we celebrate and commemorate is the glorious Resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ.