AM I JEW OR A GENTILE IF I KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS ?
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I think it goes with this
2 Thessalonians 1:6-9
2 Thessalonians 1:6-9
New International Version - UK (NIVUK)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]God is just: he will pay back trouble to those who trouble you [SUP]7 [/SUP]and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels. [SUP]8 [/SUP]He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. [SUP]9 [/SUP]They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might.
please take reference to those who do not obey the gospel of our Jesus christ. (the commandments)
This by some would see this as fear munging or condemnation, but it is not any such thing.
The simple truth IS that if your in the lord this scripture does not condemn or convict and you don't feel that either.
because Jesus takes you burden and makes it light.
The opposite of this after reading this scripture IS it may make some who are not in the lord scoff scowl and hurl abuse.
Or it may make some turn further a way from the lord because they dont want to change.
2 Thessalonians 1:6-9
2 Thessalonians 1:6-9
New International Version - UK (NIVUK)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]God is just: he will pay back trouble to those who trouble you [SUP]7 [/SUP]and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels. [SUP]8 [/SUP]He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. [SUP]9 [/SUP]They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might.
please take reference to those who do not obey the gospel of our Jesus christ. (the commandments)
This by some would see this as fear munging or condemnation, but it is not any such thing.
The simple truth IS that if your in the lord this scripture does not condemn or convict and you don't feel that either.
because Jesus takes you burden and makes it light.
The opposite of this after reading this scripture IS it may make some who are not in the lord scoff scowl and hurl abuse.
Or it may make some turn further a way from the lord because they dont want to change.
i have a hard time with 2 Thessalonians 1:8 He will punish those who do not know God.
That would say to me we are born with the spirit because if where not born with the spirit then that would say to me that we don't know him until someone tels us and how can anyone get to know him if no one tells us ?
And if we are born with the spirit then where does born again christian come from ? and surely we must know him if he writes his laws on our hearts ?
That would say to me we are born with the spirit because if where not born with the spirit then that would say to me that we don't know him until someone tels us and how can anyone get to know him if no one tells us ?
And if we are born with the spirit then where does born again christian come from ? and surely we must know him if he writes his laws on our hearts ?
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Well, if they speak english, probably about the time they start calling Him Messiah, Yeshua, or Mashiac instead of Jesus Christ.
I am very real with my kids. I teach them what I know for sure. I don't pretend to teach them something I don't know how to do myself. That would be hypocrisy. My kids see through that instantly.
I teach them to come to Christ for all their blessings. Because that is what I know. I teach them that they are lost without Him.
The only thing inconvenient is that its a very personal question. I don't consider you as being sincere.
Ook...
I am very real with my kids. I teach them what I know for sure. I don't pretend to teach them something I don't know how to do myself. That would be hypocrisy. My kids see through that instantly.
I teach them to come to Christ for all their blessings. Because that is what I know. I teach them that they are lost without Him.
The only thing inconvenient is that its a very personal question. I don't consider you as being sincere.
Ook...
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I'm sorry, that was sarcastic.
No sarcasm here, just truth. ...There is no scripture that tells us the day set apart for God was changed, anywhere. The Catholic Church changed the day of rest to commune with God. It was prophesied in the Bible, and the Catholic Church not only admits, but boasts of it. If you sincerely wish me to provide evidence, I will gladly. However, I won't until you say, because that's been around the block a time or 2 already. The Sabbath is the only commandment that causes us to be "marked" of God, yet the majority don't see the Word on that, even tho it is plainly stated more than once. Even tho, the "lawless one" is behind the "change of times and seasons". Again, that would be the Catholic Church..
No sarcasm here, just truth. ...There is no scripture that tells us the day set apart for God was changed, anywhere. The Catholic Church changed the day of rest to commune with God. It was prophesied in the Bible, and the Catholic Church not only admits, but boasts of it. If you sincerely wish me to provide evidence, I will gladly. However, I won't until you say, because that's been around the block a time or 2 already. The Sabbath is the only commandment that causes us to be "marked" of God, yet the majority don't see the Word on that, even tho it is plainly stated more than once. Even tho, the "lawless one" is behind the "change of times and seasons". Again, that would be the Catholic Church..
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Jesus Christ is what the King James authorized. He who conquers gets to write the history. It is not the name He heard in His ear when He walked on earth. He was a Jew, and a rabbi, and kept the law of His father, just not the added rabbinical law, and He is King of the Jews, as witnessed by the sign on the tree.
I do not fault you for calling Him Jesus, and I do myself among those who are more comfortable with that. But to denounce the Name He was given? mmm, would you like to be called Bubba? There has never been a Hebrew born in Jerusalem named Jesus. In Mexico there are plenty, tho.
But nevermind really..you've judged me to be insincere. No more to say.
If you were sincere you would have expressed your sincerity. You didn't.
All you did was try to show how awesome you are by attempting to call Jesus by His formal hebrew name.
I'm called many things. Grandpa, Dad, a few nicknames, as well as my formal name. I know when people are referring to and calling on me. If my children or grandchildren called me by my formal name I would think that was weird. I wouldn't allow it.
People who don't know me I expect them to call me by my formal name. Not using a nickname or familiar name.
Interesting concept, wouldn't you say?
All you did was try to show how awesome you are by attempting to call Jesus by His formal hebrew name.
I'm called many things. Grandpa, Dad, a few nicknames, as well as my formal name. I know when people are referring to and calling on me. If my children or grandchildren called me by my formal name I would think that was weird. I wouldn't allow it.
People who don't know me I expect them to call me by my formal name. Not using a nickname or familiar name.
Interesting concept, wouldn't you say?
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Jesus comes from the Greek word "Iesous" and Christ comes from the greek word "Christos".
Those who claim the real name of Jesus is Yeshua, Yoshua. Joshua, Yehoshua, Jehoshua and other varitiations, do so out of being misinformed. No one really knows what Jesus' Hebrew name was, assuming He had one. Israel was Hellenized long before the birth of Christ. Most Jews at the time of Christ did not read or speak Hebrew. That is why the Septuagint was written. So who really knows what Jesus's true birth name was?
If Jesus was so concerned about getting His name right, why was it not written in the bible...or was it? We don't know. The sacred namers only assume they "know" the real true most special name of Jesus, but who really cares? The best they can do is guess.
Those who claim the real name of Jesus is Yeshua, Yoshua. Joshua, Yehoshua, Jehoshua and other varitiations, do so out of being misinformed. No one really knows what Jesus' Hebrew name was, assuming He had one. Israel was Hellenized long before the birth of Christ. Most Jews at the time of Christ did not read or speak Hebrew. That is why the Septuagint was written. So who really knows what Jesus's true birth name was?
If Jesus was so concerned about getting His name right, why was it not written in the bible...or was it? We don't know. The sacred namers only assume they "know" the real true most special name of Jesus, but who really cares? The best they can do is guess.
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[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]"Therefore My people shall know My Name..." [/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Till when shall it be in the heart of the prophets? – the prophets of falsehood and prophets of the deceit of their own heart, who try to make My people forget My Name by their dreams which everyone relates to his neighbor, as their fathers forgot My Name for Baal
.”[/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Hebrew-[/FONT] ba'al, lord, "Baal" definition: "Lord" (Per Webster's Dictionary).
Baal- lord. (1.) The name appropriated to the principal male "god" of the Phoenicians.[/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]"And this is everlasting life, that they should know You, the only true EloAH (sn- God), and
Mashiach (Messiyah) whom You have sent."
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this is similar to how Moses wrote the Name. See the outstretched arm? Each letter has a meaning all it's own. Even man/woman contains parts of Almighty Creator's Name. Interesting, one of God's promises is that we all will speak with clean lips in that day, which I find fascinating. Instantaneous, as when He confused the language in Babel, He will reverse it, perhaps?
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Baal- lord. (1.) The name appropriated to the principal male "god" of the Phoenicians.[/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]"And this is everlasting life, that they should know You, the only true EloAH (sn- God), and
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4 Who has ascended into heaven, or descended? Who has gathered the wind in His fists? Who has bound the waters in a garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His name, and what is His Son's name, If you know? 5 Every word of Eloah [sn-God] is pure; He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him. 6 Do not add to His words, Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.
[/FONT]always look on the bright side life de doo de dooo. Im thinking of starting a new thread karrester and ill title it are you a noahite or a cainite if you keep the commandments because judging by this thread i don't think Jew or gentile falls into it.
Be on guard and watch your heart watch out for the green men too
Be on guard and watch your heart watch out for the green men too
Yeah, I would like you to show me that the Sabbath is the "Mark" that shows that we are Christian.
Ez. 9:1-11 Then He cried out in my hearing with a loud voice saying, “Draw near, O executioners of the city, each with his destroying weapon in his hand.” [SUP]2 [/SUP]Behold, six men came from the direction of the upper gate which faces north, each with his shattering weapon in his hand; and among them was a certain man clothed in linen with a writing case at his loins. And they went in and stood beside the bronze altar.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Then the glory of the God of Israel went up from the cherub on which it had been, to the threshold of the temple. And He called to the man clothed in linen at whose loins was the writing case. [SUP]4 [/SUP]The Lord said to him, “Go through the midst of the city, even through the midst of Jerusalem, and put a mark on the foreheads of the men who sigh and groan over all the abominations which are being committed in its midst.” [SUP]5 [/SUP]But to the others He said in my hearing, “Go through the city after him and strike; do not let your eye have pity and do not spare. [SUP]6[/SUP]Utterly slay old men, young men, maidens, little children, and women, but do not touch any man on whom is the mark; and you shall start from My sanctuary.” So they started with the elders who were before the temple. [SUP]7 [/SUP]And He said to them, “Defile the temple and fill the courts with the slain. Go out!” Thus they went out and struck down the people in the city. [SUP]8 [/SUP]As they were striking the people and I alone was left, I fell on my face and cried out saying, “Alas, Lord God! Are You destroying the whole remnant of Israel by pouring out Your wrath on Jerusalem?”
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Then He said to me, “The iniquity of the house of Israel and Judah is very, very great, and the land is filled with blood and the city is full of perversion; for they say, ‘The Lord has forsaken the land, and the Lord does not see!’ [SUP]10 [/SUP]But as for Me, My eye will have no pity nor will I spare, but I will bring their conduct upon their heads.”
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Then behold, the man clothed in linen at whose loins was the writing case reported, saying, “I have done just as You have commanded me.”
The mark that he placed on their heads was the Sabbath? I know you will just say that he marked them because they observed the Sabbath (which they would because they were under the old law) but he says they are marked because they are bothered / troubled / grieved by the abominations that was being committed in their midst.
Ez. 9:1-11 Then He cried out in my hearing with a loud voice saying, “Draw near, O executioners of the city, each with his destroying weapon in his hand.” [SUP]2 [/SUP]Behold, six men came from the direction of the upper gate which faces north, each with his shattering weapon in his hand; and among them was a certain man clothed in linen with a writing case at his loins. And they went in and stood beside the bronze altar.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Then the glory of the God of Israel went up from the cherub on which it had been, to the threshold of the temple. And He called to the man clothed in linen at whose loins was the writing case. [SUP]4 [/SUP]The Lord said to him, “Go through the midst of the city, even through the midst of Jerusalem, and put a mark on the foreheads of the men who sigh and groan over all the abominations which are being committed in its midst.” [SUP]5 [/SUP]But to the others He said in my hearing, “Go through the city after him and strike; do not let your eye have pity and do not spare. [SUP]6[/SUP]Utterly slay old men, young men, maidens, little children, and women, but do not touch any man on whom is the mark; and you shall start from My sanctuary.” So they started with the elders who were before the temple. [SUP]7 [/SUP]And He said to them, “Defile the temple and fill the courts with the slain. Go out!” Thus they went out and struck down the people in the city. [SUP]8 [/SUP]As they were striking the people and I alone was left, I fell on my face and cried out saying, “Alas, Lord God! Are You destroying the whole remnant of Israel by pouring out Your wrath on Jerusalem?”
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Then He said to me, “The iniquity of the house of Israel and Judah is very, very great, and the land is filled with blood and the city is full of perversion; for they say, ‘The Lord has forsaken the land, and the Lord does not see!’ [SUP]10 [/SUP]But as for Me, My eye will have no pity nor will I spare, but I will bring their conduct upon their heads.”
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Then behold, the man clothed in linen at whose loins was the writing case reported, saying, “I have done just as You have commanded me.”
The mark that he placed on their heads was the Sabbath? I know you will just say that he marked them because they observed the Sabbath (which they would because they were under the old law) but he says they are marked because they are bothered / troubled / grieved by the abominations that was being committed in their midst.