Passover/Unleavened Countdown . . .For Those Who Celebrate Them

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The meal which our Lord Jesus Christ and His apostles were eating was not the Passover meal.

The Passover meal would be eaten the very next night. That is one of the reasons why no passover lamb was mentioned being at the Last Supper. Because the time had not yet come for the Passover lambs to be slain. On the very day that Christ gave His life on the Cross of Calvary (14th of Nisan) as a ransom for all, the Passover lambs were being sacrificed as well.

Therefore John; again, Christ and His apostles did not eat the passover meal since the time for the sacricing of the passover lambs had not yet come. That time would come the very next evening.

Also, Paul says that Christ is our Passover (1 Cor. 5:7).


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IN 1 Cor. 5, Paul is not referring to the feast of the Passover, but to the feast of the Lord's Supper.

You have to keep the Scriptures in context.

Also remember that the Passover, Feast of Unleavened Bread was a part of the Mosaic Law in the Old Testament.

And Christians are not under the Mosaic Law today. Read Acts 15.


Furthermore; the other Jewish Feasts also were ordinances that were part of the Mosaic Law:





Numbers 9:10-13

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[SUP]10 [/SUP]Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If any man of you or of your posterity shall be unclean by reason of a dead body, or be in a journey afar off, yet he shall keep the passover unto the Lord. [SUP]11 [/SUP]The fourteenth day of the second month at even they shall keep it, and eat it with unleavened bread and bitter herbs. [SUP]12 [/SUP]They shall leave none of it unto the morning, nor break any bone of it: according to all the ordinances of the passover they shall keep it. [SUP]13 [/SUP]But the man that is clean, and is not in a journey, and forbeareth to keep the passover, even the same soul shall be cut off from among his people: because he brought not the offering of the Lord in his appointed season, that man shall bear his sin.


These Ordinances were done away with and abolished by the absolute perfect sacrifice of Jesus Christ our Lord on the Cross of Calvary:

Ephesians 2:14-17

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[SUP]14 [/SUP]For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; [SUP]15 [/SUP]having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; [SUP]16 [/SUP]and that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: [SUP]17 [/SUP]and came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.

Colossians 2:13-17

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[SUP]13 [/SUP]And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; [SUP]14 [/SUP]blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; [SUP]15 [/SUP]and having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: [SUP]17 [/SUP]which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Even if Christians wanted to keep the Feast of Unleavened Bread, they are not able to.

Again, why?

Because the Jewish Feasts under the Mosaic Law were meant and designed to be kept at the temple in Jerusalem with meat, drink, and animal offerings.
Hello ChoseninHim,

I have agreed with all of your entries to this point, but in this case you are mistaken concerning the meal in the upper room, for our Lord was observing the Passover Feast with the twelve (Matt. 26:26-30). For the Jewish day begins at Sundown (6.0pm) and ends at Sundown the following day ('the evening and the morning were the first day'). Following sundown on that day, was the preparation day for the Sabbath which followed. So what Christians call 'The Lord's Supper' is connected to the Passover.

As you have rightly said, though ChoseninHim, the Passover Feast is for those of the nation of Israel only.

In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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They are the LORD's Feasts and they were given to ISRAEL to keep.

Not the Body of Christ.
You should let Paul in on the secret...

Act 20:6 And we sailed away from Philippi after the days of unleavened bread, and came unto them to Troas in five days; where we abode seven days.

Paul was at Philipi for the Days of Unleavened Bread. Why not for Ishtar? Because they did not keep Ishtar, they kept Unleavened Bread.

1Co 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
1Co 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

Paul says here to keep the Feast.


Paul also kept the Passover...

1Co 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
1Co 11:24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
1Co 11:25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

Notice here what he received is what Christ did on the night He was betrayed? What did He do?

Luk 22:15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:
Luk 22:16 For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.
Luk 22:17 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves:
Luk 22:18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.
Luk 22:19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.
Luk 22:20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.





And again; He gave them to the Nation of Israel.

And His Sabbaths were given as a Sign between Him and Israel, His chosen people.




Ezekiel 20:18-21

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18 But I said unto their children in the wilderness, Walk ye not in the statutes of your fathers, neither observe their judgments, nor defile yourselves with their idols: 19 I am the Lord your God; walk in my statutes, and keep my judgments, and do them; 20 and hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the Lord your God. 21 Notwithstanding the children rebelled against me: they walked not in my statutes, neither kept my judgments to do them, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; they polluted my sabbaths: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them, to accomplish my anger against them in the wilderness.
Really? Not for the stranger (Gentile)?

Exo 12:49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Deu 5:14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.

Isa 56:1 Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.
Isa 56:2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.

Doesn't say blessed is the Jew, it says blessed is the man.

Isa 56:3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.
Isa 56:4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
Isa 56:5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.
Isa 56:6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;
Isa 56:7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

Then when Christ returns...

Isa 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

Not "Jewish flesh" but ALL FLESH will keep the Sabbath!

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
Zec 14:18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

The Gentile nations WILL KEEP the Feast Days or they will receive no rain and other plagues until they do.

And the Feasts of the Lord are Jewish Feasts:


John 2:13-16

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13 And the Jews’ passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem, 14 and found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting: 15 and when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers’ money, and overthrew the tables; 16 and said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father’s house an house of merchandise.



John 7:2-3

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2 Now the Jews’ feast of tabernacles was at hand. 3 His brethren therefore said unto him, Depart hence, and go into Judæa, that thy disciples also may see the works that thou doest.




John 11:54-56

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54 Jesus therefore walked no more openly among the Jews; but went thence unto a country near to the wilderness, into a city called Ephraim, and there continued with his disciples.
55 And the
Jews’ passover was nigh at hand: and many went out of the country up to Jerusalem before the passover, to purify themselves. 56 Then sought they for Jesus, and spake among themselves, as they stood in the temple, What think ye, that he will not come to the feast?


John 19:41-42

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41 Now in the place where he was crucified there was a garden; and in the garden a new sepulchre, wherein was never man yet laid. 42 There laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jews’ preparation day; for the sepulchre was nigh at hand.
Hmmm, clever argument...

1Ti 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
1Ti 6:4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,

But really, let me help you out...

Eze 20:25 Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live;

Now this verse lifted out of context is quite often used to say the Laws are not good. Let's understand it...

Eze 20:19 I am the LORD your God; walk in my statutes, and keep my judgments, and do them;
Eze 20:20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God.
Eze 20:21 Notwithstanding the children rebelled against me: they walked not in my statutes, neither kept my judgments to do them, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; they polluted my sabbaths: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them, to accomplish my anger against them in the wilderness.

God gave them WONDERFUL Laws, but they would not keep them, in fact they could not keep them...

Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

They were carnal and could not be subject to His Laws...

Eze 20:22 Nevertheless I withdrew mine hand, and wrought for my name's sake, that it should not be polluted in the sight of the heathen, in whose sight I brought them forth.
Eze 20:23 I lifted up mine hand unto them also in the wilderness, that I would scatter them among the heathen, and disperse them through the countries;
Eze 20:24 Because they had not executed my judgments, but had despised my statutes, and had polluted my sabbaths, and their eyes were after their fathers' idols.
Eze 20:25 Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live;

Because they had a big problem with the Sabbath and idolatry, God

New Living Translation
I gave them over to worthless decrees and regulations that would not lead to life.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
I also allowed them to follow laws that were no good and rules by which they could not live.

Paul addressed this...

Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Gal 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:

Paul called these Laws that they chose (instead of God's Laws) the rudiments or elements of the world.





Well what we (body of Christ) partake in is the Lord's Supper (1 Cor. 11). And what we celebrate and commemorate is the glorious Resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ.
So, you partake of the Lord's supper, do you?

1Co 11:20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

The ONLY place this practice is mentioned in scripture is here where Paul admonishes the Corinthians NOT TO DO IT.
 
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Gal 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:

Paul called these Laws that they chose (instead of God's Laws) the rudiments or elements of the world.




So, you partake of the Lord's supper, do you?

1Co 11:20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

The ONLY place this practice is mentioned in scripture is here where Paul admonishes the Corinthians NOT TO DO IT.
Why do you keep taking verses out of CONTEXT?

Galatians 4 MUST be kept in CONTEXT with CHAPTER 3

15 Brothers and sisters, let me take an example from everyday life. Just as no one can set aside or add to a human covenant that has been duly established, so it is in this case. 16 The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,”[i] meaning one person, who is Christ. 17 What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. 18 For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on the promise;but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise.
19 Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was given through angels and entrusted to a mediator.20 A mediator, however, implies more than one party; but God is one.
21 Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law. 22 But Scripture has locked up everything under the control of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.
Children of God

23 Before the coming of this faith,[j] we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.
26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free,nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

4 What I am saying is that as long as an heir is underage, he is no different from a slave, although he owns the whole estate. 2 The heir is subject to guardians and trustees until the time set by his father. 3 So also, when we were underage, we were in slavery under the elemental spiritual forces[
a] of the world. 4 But when the set time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under the law, 5 to redeem those under the law, that we might receive adoption to sonship.[b] 6 Because you are his sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, the Spirit who calls out, “Abba,[c] Father.” 7 So you are no longer a slave, but God’s child; and since you are his child, God has made you also an heir.

Chapter 4 is the CONTINUATION of his thoughts in chapter 3


And again you have taken this verse out of CONTEXT ALSO Paul in that passage is NOT saying NOT TO DO IT in fact further on in the very passage HE IS THE VERY ONE THAT PASSED IT ON TO THEM BEING TAUGHT BY THE LORD HIMSELF.

1 Corinthians 11

17 In the following directives I have no praise for you, for your meetings do more harm than good.18 In the first place, I hear that when you come together as a church, there are divisions among you, and to some extent I believe it. 19 No doubt there have to be differences among you to show which of you have God’s approval. 20 So then, when you come together, it is not the Lord’s Supper you eat,21 for when you are eating, some of you go ahead with your own private suppers. As a result, one person remains hungry and another gets drunk. 22 Don’t you have homes to eat and drink in? Or do you despise the church of God by humiliating those who have nothing? What shall I say to you? Shall I praise you? Certainly not in this matter!
23 For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, 24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, “This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.” 25 In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying,“This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.”26 For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.
27 So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup. 29 For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves. 30 That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep. 31 But if we were more discerning with regard to ourselves, we would not come under such judgment. 32 Nevertheless, when we are judged in this way by the Lord, we are being disciplined so that we will not be finally condemned with the world.
33 So then, my brothers and sisters, when you gather to eat, you should all eat together. 34 Anyone who is hungry should eat something at home, so that when you meet together it may not result in judgment.








 

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Why do you keep taking verses out of CONTEXT?

Galatians 4 MUST be kept in CONTEXT with CHAPTER 3

15 Brothers and sisters, let me take an example from everyday life. Just as no one can set aside or add to a human covenant that has been duly established, so it is in this case. 16 The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,”[i] meaning one person, who is Christ. 17 What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. 18 For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on the promise;but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise.
19 Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was given through angels and entrusted to a mediator.20 A mediator, however, implies more than one party; but God is one.
21 Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law. 22 But Scripture has locked up everything under the control of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.
Children of God

23 Before the coming of this faith,[j] we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.
26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free,nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

4 What I am saying is that as long as an heir is underage, he is no different from a slave, although he owns the whole estate. 2 The heir is subject to guardians and trustees until the time set by his father. 3 So also, when we were underage, we were in slavery under the elemental spiritual forces[
a] of the world. 4 But when the set time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under the law, 5 to redeem those under the law, that we might receive adoption to sonship.[b] 6 Because you are his sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, the Spirit who calls out, “Abba,[c] Father.” 7 So you are no longer a slave, but God’s child; and since you are his child, God has made you also an heir.

Chapter 4 is the CONTINUATION of his thoughts in chapter 3


And again you have taken this verse out of CONTEXT ALSO Paul in that passage is NOT saying NOT TO DO IT in fact further on in the very passage HE IS THE VERY ONE THAT PASSED IT ON TO THEM BEING TAUGHT BY THE LORD HIMSELF.

1 Corinthians 11

17 In the following directives I have no praise for you, for your meetings do more harm than good.18 In the first place, I hear that when you come together as a church, there are divisions among you, and to some extent I believe it. 19 No doubt there have to be differences among you to show which of you have God’s approval. 20 So then, when you come together, it is not the Lord’s Supper you eat,21 for when you are eating, some of you go ahead with your own private suppers. As a result, one person remains hungry and another gets drunk. 22 Don’t you have homes to eat and drink in? Or do you despise the church of God by humiliating those who have nothing? What shall I say to you? Shall I praise you? Certainly not in this matter!
23 For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, 24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, “This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.” 25 In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying,“This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.”26 For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.
27 So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup. 29 For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves. 30 That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep. 31 But if we were more discerning with regard to ourselves, we would not come under such judgment. 32 Nevertheless, when we are judged in this way by the Lord, we are being disciplined so that we will not be finally condemned with the world.
33 So then, my brothers and sisters, when you gather to eat, you should all eat together. 34 Anyone who is hungry should eat something at home, so that when you meet together it may not result in judgment.








So let me get this straight, Paul says Christians come together NOT TO EAT the Lord's supper, that he got His teaching directly from Christ who referenced the Passover He ate with His disciples on the night He was betrayed and that teaching was the Passover with the New Testamet symbols of unleavened bread and wine. What part did I take out of context? The part that disagrees with what you wish it said?
 
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So let me get this straight, Paul says Christians come together NOT TO EAT the Lord's supper, that he got His teaching directly from Christ who referenced the Passover He ate with His disciples on the night He was betrayed and that teaching was the Passover with the New Testamet symbols of unleavened bread and wine. What part did I take out of context? The part that disagrees with what you wish it said?
No you left out the second HALF OF THAT VERSE to try to prove your point, This is what the verse says

20 So then, when you come together, it is not the Lord’s Supper you eat,21 for when you are eating, some of you go ahead with your own private suppers. As a result, one person remains hungry and another gets drunk. 22 Don’t you have homes to eat and drink in? Or do you despise the church of God by humiliating those who have nothing? What shall I say to you? Shall I praise you? Certainly not in this matter!

Paul is giving the VERY SAME command Jesus gave

Luke 22

17 After taking the cup, he gave thanks and said, “Take this and divide it among you. 18 For I tell you I will not drink again from the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.”
19 And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.”
20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.[a] 21 But the hand of him who is going to betray me is with mine on the table. 22 The Son of Man will go as it has been decreed. But woe to that man who betrays him!”23 They began to question among themselves which of them it might be who would do this.
 
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Passover, and Unleavened Bread are just the beginning.

We can ask ourselves the question; what is the importance of these feasts for the individual believer? Hebrews 1:1-2 mentions the word “sundry” meaning giving, or attributing in many portions, i.e. variously as to time and agency (piecemeal):--at “sundry” times. “God, who at “sundry” times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;” As Christians, we desire to learn greater, and more profound truths from God’s word. These feasts are given to us as an asset to our spiritual growth according to our individual understanding that is built on faith. One can compare this with the creation sequence, for what was created on a particular day was always dependent on things that were created previously to that given day. In like manner, our depth of spiritual understanding, and knowledge depends on what has been previously established in our hearts, and minds. So by observance of what these feasts represent, and present to us, they can be a dynamic asset for our spiritual growth in Christ Jesus. According to your person, God deals with you as an individual.

We should ever be reluctant to learn? We can see this principle of God’s “sundry times” by quoting Isaiah 28:9-13. “Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear. But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.”

There are two scripture references that come to mind as I think about what these offerings are representing concerning the church. One is in Romans 12:1-2, relating to sacrifice, and the other is 2 Corinthians 6:17-18 relating to being separated according to our Father’s will. These are the verses. “I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.”
God will make good on His future promises, even if we don’t know how it will come to pass. Convocation in the New Testament is exactly the same principle as in the Old Testament as we see in Romans 14:19, Hebrews 4:10, and Hebrews 13:16.“Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. But to do good and to communicate forget not: for with such sacrifices God is well pleased.” Today, the bullock, ram, lamb, and goat, are represented in the true church. Through the sin offering we are acceptable in the sight of God, having a High Priest that fulfills all things because of His offering. Those are the spiritual terms being understood by this physical parable being a shadow of things to come. The sincere offerings of the bullock, the rams and lambs are accepted by God as a sweet savor, and in the same manner of sincerity, the goat sacrifice for sins is also effective, and accepted in the sight of God. Luke 10:3 saysit best.“Go your ways: behold, I send you forth as lambs among wolves.”

In Psalm 66:15 tothe chief musician is written; “I will offer unto thee burnt sacrifices of fatlings, with the incense of rams; I will offer bullocks with goats. Selah.” Selah means to think and meditate on what was previously read or heard. And in Hebrews 9:12-14 we read “Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?”
You might think that it’s all over, and we have covered every aspect of the three feasts, and in essence we have, but there is one more commandment relating to the first and seventh months called the “year of Jubilee.”In Leviticus 25:8-13 the words of God are as follows. “And thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years. Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubile to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, in the day of atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land. And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubile unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family. A jubile shall that fiftieth year be unto you: ye shall not sow, neither reap that which groweth of itself in it, nor gather the grapes in it of thy vine undressed. For it is the jubile; it shall be holy unto you: ye shall eat the increase thereof out of the field. In the year of this jubile ye shall return every man unto his possession.”

Contemplating this scripture we will notice a relationship with the yearly feasts. Breaking it down in more detail, this is the seventh month after the fall harvest. It is the tenth day, the Day of Atonement in the seventh month, related to the acquisition of the Lamb in the first month. It is the count of forty-nine years related to the forty-nine days in the Feast of Weeks, and fiftieth year is in relation fiftieth day called Shavuot or Pentecost, and the giving of the stone tablets to Moses on Mount Sinai.
The spiritual representation is that we receive food for nourishment, considering the resurrection of Christ, Spiritual completeness, and the Father’s perfection. This is God’s testimony written in His law and our responsibility to reciprocate in the love that He has for us, along with loving our neighbor as ourselves, and as hard as it might be, to even love our enemies. We are to celebrate by actually doing it, not by self works, but through sincere faith in Christ.
Matthew 6:11-12 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Give us this day our daily bread. (harvest)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. (Jubilee)
Psalm 51:12-13 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit. (harvest)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Then will I teach transgressors thy ways; and sinners shall be converted unto thee. (Jubilee)
 
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No you left out the second HALF OF THAT VERSE to try to prove your point, This is what the verse says

20 So then, when you come together, it is not the Lord’s Supper you eat,21 for when you are eating, some of you go ahead with your own private suppers. As a result, one person remains hungry and another gets drunk. 22 Don’t you have homes to eat and drink in? Or do you despise the church of God by humiliating those who have nothing? What shall I say to you? Shall I praise you? Certainly not in this matter!
I didn't realize you had trouble comprehending the fact that Paul was CORRECTING them for coming together to eat "the Lord's supper". He then tells them to eat a meal at their homes. Then Paul goes on to explain what they were supposed to be there for...


Paul is giving the VERY SAME command Jesus gave

Luke 22

17 After taking the cup, he gave thanks and said, “Take this and divide it among you. 18 For I tell you I will not drink again from the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.”
19 And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.”
20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.[a] 21 But the hand of him who is going to betray me is with mine on the table. 22 The Son of Man will go as it has been decreed. But woe to that man who betrays him!”23 They began to question among themselves which of them it might be who would do this.
And so you left off the the next verse which tells them what they are there for...

1Co 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:

He gave them the command to do what Christ had done. What did Christ do?

Luk 22:15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:
Luk 22:16 For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.

so they were not their for the purpose of "the Lord's supper", they were there to take the Passover. Now, Christ institutes the New Testament symbols for the Passover that replace the Old Testament symbols.

Luk 22:17 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves:
Luk 22:18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.
Luk 22:19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.
Luk 22:20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.

The OT symbols looked forward to Christ, the NT symbols commemorate Christ. The Corinthians, just like the church today, is supposed to come together on the Passover to take a small piece of unleavened bread and small glass of wine to commemorate the sacrifice of Christ.

There is one more part of the Passover service we are to do...

Joh 13:4 He riseth from supper, and laid aside his garments; and took a towel, and girded himself.
Joh 13:5 After that he poureth water into a bason, and began to wash the disciples' feet, and to wipe them with the towel wherewith he was girded.
Joh 13:6 Then cometh he to Simon Peter: and Peter saith unto him, Lord, dost thou wash my feet?
Joh 13:7 Jesus answered and said unto him, What I do thou knowest not now; but thou shalt know hereafter.

Joh 13:12 So after he had washed their feet, and had taken his garments, and was set down again, he said unto them, Know ye what I have done to you?
Joh 13:13 Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.
Joh 13:14 If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet.
Joh 13:15 For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.

Jesus says here that if He is our Lord and Master, then we should be washing one another's feet at the Passover service.

Joh 13:16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.
Joh 13:17 If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them.
 
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We should ever be reluctant to learn? We can see this principle of God’s “sundry times” by quoting Isaiah 28:9-13. “Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear. But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.”
Great post Just-me, So many great points.

I underlined the difference between to two descriptions in that one passage in Isaiah. "Yet they would not hear." There are so many passages about taking heed, (listening and taking it seriously) and even applying what we hear and see from God's word, and many, many examples of those who would not. That single passage covers both sides of the coin.

Leviticus 26, says that if we walk contrary to God, He will walk contrary to us. (The entire chapter is about the result of those who take heed and those who walk contrary to him.)

James 4:8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.

I had to comment on that. Reading your post again. So much to glean from it. Thank you for sharing your studies.
 
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Hello there,

When was the Lord's supper instituted? (Matthew 26:26-30)

'And as they were eating, (The Passover)
Jesus took bread,
and blessed it,
and brake it,
and gave it to the disciples,
and said,
"Take, eat; this is My Body."


'And he took the cup,
and gave thanks,
and gave it to them,
saying, "Drink ye all of it;
For this is my blood

of the new testament,
(new covenant)
which is shed for many
for the remission of sins.


But I say unto you,
I will not drink henceforth
of this fruit of the vine,
until that day
when I drink it new
with you in My Father's Kingdom."


And when they had sung an hymn,
they went out into the mount of Olives.
'

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Our Lord uses the red wine symbolically of His own blood.
He calls his shed blood, 'the blood of the new covenant'

* We can read of the new covenant in the prophecy of Jeremiah (31:31):-

Behold, the days come,
saith the LORD,
that I will make a new covenant

with the house of Israel, and
with the house of Judah: ..."

* And in Hebrews 8:8,13; 12:24:-

'For finding fault with them,
He saith,
"Behold, the days come," saith the Lord,
"when I will make a new covenant
with
the house of Israel and
with
the house of Judah: ...'

'In that He saith, A new covenant,
He hath made the first old.
Now that which decayeth and waxeth old
is ready to vanish away.'

'And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant,
and to the blood of sprinkling,
that speaketh better things than that of Abel.'


* In these verses we see Jesus, as 'the mediator of the new covenant', instructing His disciples, as they ate the Passover, which as Jews they were obligated to keep: that in future when they met to observe the feast, they were to remember while eating and drinking of the bread and wine of the Passover feast, 'His Body' and 'His blood' (the blood of the new covenant) which was shed for the remission of sins. This they were to do, 'till He come' (1 Cor.11:26), for then He will, 'drink of it new' with them, as he said, '...in my Father's Kingdom.'

* This concerns 'The New Covenant', to be made with 'the house of Israel,' and 'the house of Judah'.

* During the Acts period the return of the Lord was eagerly anticipated, all that was required was the repentance of Israel. However, they did not repent: so at the end of the Acts period the curse fell on Israel as a nation, and they were laid aside (temporarily) in blindness. So the New Covenant with it's Kingdom on earth and it's blessings are laid aside (temporarily) with her.

* Today we are no longer under a covenant, as Jews and Gentiles we come as individuals to God through the faith of Jesus Christ, as the Church which is His Body. Having a heavenly hope, and spiritual blessings unique to this dispensation and this calling*. Until that day when Israel will see their returning Messiah and grieve for Him as for an only child and repent. Then the new covenant will be made with the united nation of Israel, and the twelve disciples will sit down in the Kingdom with their risen Lord and drink of the new wine together as promised in Matthew 26.

In Christ Jesus
Chris


* See Eph. Phil. Col.
 
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Our kitchen is completely cleaned out, except for 1 basket with bread-related products.
All that's left is the oven and the toaster.

The toaster has always been a powerful picture for me. Have you ever tried to get all of the bread crumbs out of a toaster? Virtually impossible. So you can try to clean it all out for the Feast of Unleavened, but you can never get rid of all of it.

I can never get rid of all of the sin in my physical life. No matter how hard I clean, I can't get it all. And while it will always be there, the mercy and graciousness of God overlooks it, and still deems me to be clean.

I love it!

Only 4 days till Passover!

Blessings,
Matt
 

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Until that day when Israel will see their returning Messiah and grieve for Him as for an only child and repent. Then the new covenant will be made with the united nation of Israel, and the twelve disciples will sit down in the Kingdom with their risen Lord and drink of the new wine together as promised in Matthew 26.

In Christ Jesus
Chris
'And I will pour upon the house of David,
and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem,
the spirit of grace and of supplications:
and they shall look upon Me whom they have pierced,
and they shall mourn for Him,
as one mourneth for his only son,
and shall be in bitterness for Him,
as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.'

(Zec 12:10,11)
 

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KohenMatt:
Our kitchen is completely cleaned out, except for 1 basket with bread-related products.
All that's left is the oven and the toaster.

The toaster has always been a powerful picture for me. Have you ever tried to get all of the bread crumbs out of a toaster? Virtually impossible. So you can try to clean it all out for the Feast of Unleavened, but you can never get rid of all of it.

I can never get rid of all of the sin in my physical life. No matter how hard I clean, I can't get it all. And while it will always be there, the mercy and graciousness of God overlooks it, and still deems me to be clean.

I love it!

Only 4 days till Passover!

Blessings,
Matt

Hi Matt,

You are a believing Jew obviously, Yes?

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LOL, sorry.

I'm a Christian saved by the grace and atonement of Jesus. No Jewish lineage that I'm aware of.
I celebrate Passover and all of the Feasts to remember the work God has done for His people throughout time. For me, they're also a picture of what He's done for me in my life. Every feasts points Jesus as my Messiah, and the work that He is STILL doing today.

I do believe the Feasts are intended for Christians today, although obviously, it's not about salvation or our standing before God. It's not something I'm required to do, or part of a Law that I'm "under". I choose to do it out of responsive love for my Savior.

Hope that's a little more helpful.
 

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LOL, sorry.

I'm a Christian saved by the grace and atonement of Jesus. No Jewish lineage that I'm aware of.
I celebrate Passover and all of the Feasts to remember the work God has done for His people throughout time. For me, they're also a picture of what He's done for me in my life. Every feasts points Jesus as my Messiah, and the work that He is STILL doing today.

I do believe the Feasts are intended for Christians today, although obviously, it's not about salvation or our standing before God. It's not something I'm required to do, or part of a Law that I'm "under". I choose to do it out of responsive love for my Savior.

Hope that's a little more helpful.
Thank you, Matt,

Yes, that's more helpful.

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That may be clever Matt, but not helpful!
Why else would you be celebrating Passover?

:)
I celebrate it firstly because God says to. I don't have any problem with simply doing what God says to do.

Secondly, it is the observance that reminds us of the sacrifice of Christ for our sins.
 
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Her's an interesting observation- The passover over lamb (representing Messiah) was sacrificed by the head of the household - the other sacrifices were made by the High Priest, sin offering, ect.
 

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I celebrate it firstly because God says to. I don't have any problem with simply doing what God says to do.

Secondly, it is the observance that reminds us of the sacrifice of Christ for our sins.
Hello John832,

This may seem to be a stupid question, but for the sake of clarity would you please refer me, with chapter and verse to the Scripture where God tells you to 'Keep' the Passover? For I would really like to understand where you are coming from.

Just book chapter and verse, no explanation.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
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Hello John832,

This may seem to be a stupid question, but for the sake of clarity would you please refer me, with chapter and verse to the Scripture where God tells you to 'Keep' the Passover? For I would really like to understand where you are coming from.

Just book chapter and verse, no explanation.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Hello CWJ,

This may seem to be a stupid question, but for the sake of clarity would you please refer me, with chapter and verse to the Scripture where God tells you to 'Keep' the Lent or keep the resurrection or the Easter? I would really like to understand where you are coming from.

Just book chapter and verse, no explanation.