The Sabbath is Here!

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Jesus kept the Sabbath. He called himself the Lord of the Sabbath. Paul kept the Sabbath. As a Christian depending on God's grace for salvation, I see keeping the Sabbath as a great blessing. It gives the whole day to concentrate on worshiping God and enjoying my relationship with Him. Jesus criticized the Pharisees because they depended on their obedience for their righteousness (Romans 2:17). I don't. Salvation is by grace alone.

Praise God, gamlet. Well said!

Don't worry about Kerry. He has this thought in his mind that everyone who keeps the Sabbath is negating the sacrifice of Jesus and trusting in the law to save them. That anyone who obeys even a hint of the Law is like a Pharisee and that Jesus will condemn them. But concerning most of us who keep the sabbath (including myself and you), he's completely wrong. I've said the same things as you just said,
Jesus criticized the Pharisees because they depended on their obedience for their righteousness (Romans 2:17). I don't. Salvation is by grace alone.

But I don't think it's sunk in yet. Sadly, it's the same story, same baseless arguments, just a different post and/or thread.

But praise God, Kerry loves the Lord, and has a desire to see His people in a real and authentic love relationship with our God. We may disagree on some things, but we are brothers who have the same Father and Savior.

So I trust you had a great Sabbath, and that's it's prepared you to have an awesome week full of ministry and service to others!

Shabbat Shalom!
Matt
 
MY, my, my. Self righteousness is a hard thing to grasp. It finds ways to raise it's ugly head with out notice. Most don't even realize that keeping the Sabbath negates the work of the cross. It is bold statement that say's " I don't need the cross". Nothing wrong with going to church, in fact I encourage to go as I go myself. But, if were not for the cross, I wouldn't give a hill a beans for church.

Just thought I would post a little meat to seek out if God permit to us both kerry

The only true Tabernacle ( not Church) for the word church was translated form the word Ecclesia and each of these words have different meaning
Regardless:
Hebrews 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
Hebrews 8:2 a minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
Hebrews 8:3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.
Hebrews 8:4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:

Hebrews 5:1 For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins:
Hebrews 5:2 who can have compassion on the ignorant, and on them that are out of the way; for that he himself also is compassed with infirmity.
Hebrews 5:3 And by reason hereof he ought, as for the people, so also for himself, to offer for sins.
Hebrews 5:4 And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron.
Hebrews 5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.
Hebrews 5:6 As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec
Hebrews 5:7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;
Hebrews 5:8 though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
Hebrews 5:9 and being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
Hebrews 5:10 called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.


Hebrews 5:11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.
Hebrews 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.




Hebrews 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
 
I meant, the pharisees kept the Sabbath. but , Jesus didn't have kind words to say about them, in fact He called them a brood of vipers and blind guides, in fact they wanted there law so bad that they sent the Messiah to the cross, hated Him with murder in their hearts.

I see that as showing the selfishness of flesh Spirit that is dead and needs life in the Spirit of God, I see it as Job securit yis waht in their thoughts took Christ to the cross, for many of the Jews were now not going to Sanctuary and they losing income and control over the people. they were seeking out wherever Jesus was at
John 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
John 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?
John 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
John 6:36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.
John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
John 6:64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
John 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
John 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
John 8:30 As he spake these words, many believed on him.
John 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
John 10:25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father’s name, they bear witness of me.
John 10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
John 10:38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
John 10:42 And many believed on him there.

John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
John 11:45 Then many of the Jews which came to Mary, and had seen the things which Jesus did, believed on him.
John 11:46 But some of them went their ways to the Pharisees, and told them what things Jesus had done.
John 11:47 Then gathered the chief priests and the Pharisees a council, and said, What do we? for this man doeth many miracles.
John 11:48 If we let him thus alone, all men will believe on him: and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation.


Just showing flesh verses the Spirit of God and how we need this very same Spirit of God to lead us as did Christ, to trust god that God will supply every need and that Christ is our Sabbath rest
 
Jesus kept the Sabbath. He called himself the Lord of the Sabbath. Paul kept the Sabbath. As a Christian depending on God's grace for salvation, I see keeping the Sabbath as a great blessing. It gives the whole day to concentrate on worshiping God and enjoying my relationship with Him. Jesus criticized the Pharisees because they depended on their obedience for their righteousness (Romans 2:17). I don't. Salvation is by grace alone.

And Brother to me this is every day at rest in the Sabbath rest, Christ my propitiation for all sin taken away in Father's sight so I am at rest at the throne of grace 24/7, trusting Father to keep me safe do you see this too?
 
why are the sabbath-keepers online on the sabbath? postering.

The letter of the Law says "no work" and the liberty in the Spirit of the law says we are at rest even when at work, we are called to rest the rest of our life's in whatever we are doing to rest in trust of the living God, God leads not man
Seeing this difference makes all the difference

Who led Christ ? Father in the form of the Holy Spirit or Christ did the work on his own?
Whom did Christ send to us, was it the same Holy Spirit that led him?
So is this how we are to be led by Father's Spirit?
And if one is led by the Spirit of truth ( Father) then we are at rest are we not 24/7 in the Sabbath continual right or wrong?
 
The letter of the Law says "no work" and the liberty in the Spirit of the law says we are at rest even when at work, we are called to rest the rest of our life's in whatever we are doing to rest in trust of the living God, God leads not man
Seeing this difference makes all the difference

Who led Christ ? Father in the form of the Holy Spirit or Christ did the work on his own?
Whom did Christ send to us, was it the same Holy Spirit that led him?
So is this how we are to be led by Father's Spirit?
And if one is led by the Spirit of truth ( Father) then we are at rest are we not 24/7 in the Sabbath continual right or wrong?

I typically end up "working" twice as hard on the Sabbath as I do any other day of the week. As I always say, the Priests did double the work on the Sabbath. Sure, they ministered to God and His people every day, but they did twice as much on the Sabbath.

I intend on "working" even more today, on the Sabbath.
 
I typically end up "working" twice as hard on the Sabbath as I do any other day of the week. As I always say, the Priests did double the work on the Sabbath. Sure, they ministered to God and His people every day, but they did twice as much on the Sabbath.

I intend on "working" even more today, on the Sabbath.

your'e not a levite, so the priest who worked on the sabbath has nothing to do with you. the new covenant priesthood of believers has nothing in common with the levites.

so, you working hard on the sabbath means you're not really obeying the sinai sabbath.
 
I typically end up "working" twice as hard on the Sabbath as I do any other day of the week. As I always say, the Priests did double the work on the Sabbath. Sure, they ministered to God and His people every day, but they did twice as much on the Sabbath.

I intend on "working" even more today, on the Sabbath.
It's so nice we are serving each other more than the other days of the week. Everyone contributes. Some pick up brothers and sisters. Some prepare food. Some has good things to say to edify. And last but not least, some just show up enjoying. It's a wonderful day.
How good and pleasant it is when brothers live together in unity! It's like precious oil pour on the head, running down on the beard, running down on Aaron's beard, down upon the collar of his robes. It is as if the dew of Hermon were falling on Mount Zion. For there the Lord bestows his blessing, even life forevermore.
 
It's so nice we are serving each other more than the other days of the week. Everyone contributes. Some pick up brothers and sisters. Some prepare food. Some has good things to say to edify. And last but not least, some just show up enjoying. It's a wonderful day.
How good and pleasant it is when brothers live together in unity! It's like precious oil pour on the head, running down on the beard, running down on Aaron's beard, down upon the collar of his robes. It is as if the dew of Hermon were falling on Mount Zion. For there the Lord bestows his blessing, even life forevermore.

Amen! We had a great day today. In our 2nd service, we had our youth teach the adults about how to treat others, and how to deal with gossip, slander and offenses. There was some awesome revelation that came from our youth. And having been at church for 8 hours, I definintely did "double duty". And I can think of nothing more restful that washing dishes for 70 people's lunch!

It was a blessed day to be sure!
 
your'e not a levite, so the priest who worked on the sabbath has nothing to do with you. the new covenant priesthood of believers has nothing in common with the levites.

so, you working hard on the sabbath means you're not really obeying the sinai sabbath.

[SUP]9 [/SUP]Departing from there, He went into their synagogue. [SUP]10 [/SUP]And a man was there whose hand was withered. And they questioned Jesus, asking, “Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?”—so that they might accuse Him. [SUP]11 [/SUP]And He said to them, What man is there among you who has a sheep, and if it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will he not take hold of it and lift it out? [SUP]12 [/SUP]How much more valuable then is a man than a sheep! So then, it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.” [SUP]13 [/SUP]Then He said to the man, “Stretch out your hand!” He stretched it out, and it was restored to normal, like the other. [SUP]14 [/SUP]But the Pharisees went out and conspired against Him, as to how they might destroy Him.
 
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Departing from there, He went into their synagogue. [SUP]10 [/SUP]And a man was there whose hand was withered. And they questioned Jesus, asking, “Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?”—so that they might accuse Him. [SUP]11 [/SUP]And He said to them, What man is there among you who has a sheep, and if it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will he not take hold of it and lift it out? [SUP]12 [/SUP]How much more valuable then is a man than a sheep! So then, it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.” [SUP]13 [/SUP]Then He said to the man, “Stretch out your hand!” He stretched it out, and it was restored to normal, like the other. [SUP]14 [/SUP]But the Pharisees went out and conspired against Him, as to how they might destroy Him.

Galatians 4

4 Now I say that the heir, as long as he is a child, does not differ at all from a slave, though he is master of all, 2 but is under guardians and stewards until the time appointed by the father. 3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world. 4 But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born[a] of a woman, born under the law, 5 to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.

6 And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, “Abba, Father!” 7 Therefore you are no longer a slave but a son, and if a son, then an heir of[b] God through Christ.

Fears for the Church

8 But then, indeed, when you did not know God, you served those which by nature are not gods. 9 But now after you have known God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, to which you desire again to be in bondage?10 You observe days and months and seasons and years. 11 I am afraid for you, lest I have labored for you in vain.

12 Brethren, I urge you to become like me, for I became like you. You have not injured me at all. 13 You know that because of physical infirmity I preached the gospel to you at the first. 14 And my trial which was in my flesh you did not despise or reject, but you received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus. 15 What[c] then was the blessing youenjoyed? For I bear you witness that, if possible, you would have plucked out your own eyes and given them to me. 16 Have I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth?

17 They zealously court you, but for no good; yes, they want to exclude you, that you may be zealous for them. 18 But it is good to be zealous in a good thing always, and not only when I am present with you. 19 My little children, for whom I labor in birth again until Christ is formed in you, 20 I would like to be present with you now and to change my tone; for I have doubts about you.

Two Covenants

21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23 But hewho was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24 which things are symbolic. For these are the[d] two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar— 25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children— 26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. 27 For it is written:

“Rejoice, O barren,
You who do not bear!
Break forth and shout,
You who are not in labor!
For the desolate has many more children
Than she who has a husband.”[e]

28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise. 29 But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now. 30 Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.”[f]31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.

i doubt you can understand. but i will hope.
read it yourself. beg forgiveness for your unbelief.
 
Galatians 4

4 Now I say that the heir, as long as he is a child, does not differ at all from a slave, though he is master of all, 2 but is under guardians and stewards until the time appointed by the father. 3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world. 4 But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born[a] of a woman, born under the law, 5 to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.

6 And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, “Abba, Father!” 7 Therefore you are no longer a slave but a son, and if a son, then an heir of[b] God through Christ.

Fears for the Church

8 But then, indeed, when you did not know God, you served those which by nature are not gods. 9 But now after you have known God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, to which you desire again to be in bondage?10 You observe days and months and seasons and years. 11 I am afraid for you, lest I have labored for you in vain.

12 Brethren, I urge you to become like me, for I became like you. You have not injured me at all. 13 You know that because of physical infirmity I preached the gospel to you at the first. 14 And my trial which was in my flesh you did not despise or reject, but you received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus. 15 What[c] then was the blessing youenjoyed? For I bear you witness that, if possible, you would have plucked out your own eyes and given them to me. 16 Have I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth?

17 They zealously court you, but for no good; yes, they want to exclude you, that you may be zealous for them. 18 But it is good to be zealous in a good thing always, and not only when I am present with you. 19 My little children, for whom I labor in birth again until Christ is formed in you, 20 I would like to be present with you now and to change my tone; for I have doubts about you.

Two Covenants

21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23 But hewho was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24 which things are symbolic. For these are the[d] two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar— 25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children— 26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. 27 For it is written:

“Rejoice, O barren,
You who do not bear!
Break forth and shout,
You who are not in labor!
For the desolate has many more children
Than she who has a husband.”[e]

28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise. 29 But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now. 30 Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.”[f]31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.

i doubt you can understand. but i will hope.
read it yourself. beg forgiveness for your unbelief.

I am not sure what you think I don't believe. I do not observe the Sabbath. I assemble with others on Sunday. As I understand the bible, it does not tell us to meet on any specific day. The church of the first century met daily. This would be a good to do today. But as it is we attend on Sunday.
 
It's so nice we are serving each other more than the other days of the week. Everyone contributes. Some pick up brothers and sisters. Some prepare food. Some has good things to say to edify. And last but not least, some just show up enjoying. It's a wonderful day.
How good and pleasant it is when brothers live together in unity! It's like precious oil pour on the head, running down on the beard, running down on Aaron's beard, down upon the collar of his robes. It is as if the dew of Hermon were falling on Mount Zion. For there the Lord bestows his blessing, even life forevermore.

pity you didn't carry this through to what it pictured. Pentecost. but that would require acknowledging there is a new covenant, not like the old covenant which has passed away.
 
I am not sure what you think I don't believe. I do not observe the Sabbath. I assemble with others on Sunday. As I understand the bible, it does not tell us to meet on any specific day. The church of the first century met daily. This would be a good to do today. But as it is we attend on Sunday.

[SUP]9 [/SUP]Departing from there, He went into their synagogue. [SUP]10 [/SUP]And a man was there whose hand was withered. And they questioned Jesus, asking, “Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?”—so that they might accuse Him. [SUP]11 [/SUP]And He said to them, What man is there among you who has a sheep, and if it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will he not take hold of it and lift it out? [SUP]12 [/SUP]How much more valuable then is a man than a sheep! So then, it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.” [SUP]13 [/SUP]Then He said to the man, “Stretch out your hand!” He stretched it out, and it was restored to normal, like the other. [SUP]14 [/SUP]But the Pharisees went out and conspired against Him, as to how they might destroy Him.

Matthew 12
3 But He said to them, “Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, he and those who were with him: 4 how he entered the house of God and ate the showbread which was not lawful for him to eat, nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests? 5 Or have you not read in the law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath, and are blameless? 6 Yet I say to you that in this place there is One greater than the temple. 7 But if you had known what this means, ‘I desire mercy and not sacrifice,’[a] you would not have condemned the guiltless. 8 For the Son of Man is Lord even[b] of the Sabbath.”

Christ born under the law. he fulfilled it perfectly. my post was not about a day of the week it was about two covenants, one bearing children who will not inherit.
 
I still don't know what you are accusing me of not believing. I believe that we are under the new covenant if we accept Jesus Christ. I believe that we are the temple of God and with each new Christian the "Temple" is being built even today.

1 Corinthians 3:16-17
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? [SUP]17 [/SUP]If any man destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him, for the temple of God is holy, and that is what you are.
 
I still don't know what you are accusing me of not believing. I believe that we are under the new covenant if we accept Jesus Christ. I believe that we are the temple of God and with each new Christian the "Temple" is being built even today.

1 Corinthians 3:16-17
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? [SUP]17 [/SUP]If any man destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him, for the temple of God is holy, and that is what you are.

okay. i sincerely apologize then.
 
No problem I probably shouldn't have made the reference to the Sabbath. I guess I just had to show that it was always okay to do good on the Sabbath (as per Jesus). It would have been easy to misunderstand where I was coming from.
 
No problem I probably shouldn't have made the reference to the Sabbath. I guess I just had to show that it was always okay to do good on the Sabbath (as per Jesus). It would have been easy to misunderstand where I was coming from.

thanks for your acceptance of my apology. it was lawful to good on the sabbath. the Law speaks of that. but there were serious restrictions on what could be done on the sabbath. unlike today's customized (non) sabbath keepers.
 
The Sabbath is such a wonderful blessing!! Our Mighty One is indeed kind and merciful, providing richly for all who abide in Him.

No wonder, Sabbath was the first thing ha Satan wanted to destroy of the 10. I don't keep the Sabbath, the Sabbath keeps me!:)