SALVATION ONLY POSSIBLE WITHOUT WORKS!

[kennethcadwell]

No it is not, it is talking to those who have accepted Christ but continue in willful sin. You are twisting to the text, because in your assumption one can repent of his sins, accepted and believe in Jesus Christ....but continue to murder, lie, steal, adultery, fornication, and so forth with out remorse, conviction, and not repent for them and they still will be saved. That is completely not true, because that would also mean that some one who does not believe in Jesus will go to heaven also. There are things on our side we must do.
The free gift of salvation that is given to all will always be there for us to have. For instance if we are saved and then we reject Jesus and fall away, and then later in life repent and come back to Jesus, His gift will still be there for us. That is why it says it will never be taken away. We must chose to accept Him.

We are not under the law because we are not held to the curses, or punishments that went along with them. But we are still under the moral aspects of it, and we are still to follow what Jesus said. In which we know Jesus said He did not come to destroy the law, H

No.

Your contradicting yourself

if I can fall away, it means I must earn Gods grace by not falling away. That is a salvation of works.

The context of hebrews is the law of moses. Which says if you sin, you must make a sacrifice again.

If we are under law (which is what the author was speaking against) we would lose salvation if we sinned. Because the blood of bulls and goats can not remove sin, And Christ already died once, he will nto come and die again.

ps bro. there is no such thing as unwilful sin, If yuo sin, You did it willfully. Don;t try to full yourself into thinking you can sin by accident

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It is unbiblical, unreasonable and illogical to think free gifts NEVER have conditions.

if a FREE gift has conditions.

it is NOT FREE

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No it is not, it is talking to those who have accepted Christ but continue in willful sin.

lol. And you think they were ever saved?

A person who continues in willful sin has never repented now have they??

Come on now my friend, think.

 

[dcontroversal]

yeah, Like I could ever break the seal of God, since when am I more powerful than God?

Yeah no doubt, but according to Sea Perch our works are more powerful than Jesus as he needs them to help save us and keep us saved!

 

[SeaBass]

I pray they do not treat their kids the way they think God treats us

What if I gave your kids, out of my good grace, a free trip and free passes to Disney World.

Will you tell your kids just sit here and do nothing and you will see Disney World?

Or will you have your kids do the work of packing their bags, going to the ariport, boarding the plane, landing In Florida, getting a car to take them to Disney Land?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

2 Cor 6:1 proves grace can be received in vain as 1 Cor 15 (which you have been posting) shows one can believe in vain.

yes it can.

I can grasp it. And never fully take it. and walk away from it.

the corinthian passage also states now is the day of salvation. He is telling some of them, they have not yet been saved yet.

Why do you think so poorly of God that you think he would give someone a gift. KNOWING he would have to take it back. Is God that foolish and unknowing?

 

[dcontroversal]

What if I gave your kids, out of my good grace, a free trip and free passes to Disney World.

Will you tell your kids just sit here and do nothing and you will see Disney World?

Or will you have your kids do the work of packing their bags, going to the ariport, boarding the plane, landing In Florida, getting a car to take them to Disney Land?

Going to Disney Land is not eternal salvation....maybe that is where you got your doctrine....was it Mickey or Goofy?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What if I gave your kids, out of my good grace, a free trip and free passes to Disney World.

are you offering it as a free gift. Or, or reward for good works??

Will you tell your kids just sit here and do nothing and you will see Disney World?
Or will you have your kids do the work of packing their bags, going to the ariport, boarding the plane, landing In Florida, getting a car to take them to Disney Land?

lol..Did you give them the tickets or not. What happens after is not the question. the question is did you give it to them or not?

The works you speak of are as a RESULT of them recieving the gift. Not to earn the gift..

Your examples are always lacking, you need to think them out more.

 

[dcontroversal]

yes it can.

I can grasp it. And never fully take it. and walk away from it.

the corinthian passage also states now is the day of salvation. He is telling some of them, they have not yet been saved yet.

Why do you think so poorly of God that you think he would give someone a gift. KNOWING he would have to take it back. Is God that foolish and unknowing?

Makes me think of the dude that said...Paul.....almost persuadest thou me to become a Christian

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Makes me think of the dude that said...Paul.....almost persuadest thou me to become a Christian

Yep

When he gets to heaven, he will admit, I had it in my grasp. But I did not take it, what a fool I was.

 

[dcontroversal]

are you offering it as a free gift. Or, or reward for good works??



lol..Did you give them the tickets or not. What happens after is not the question. the question is did you give it to them or not?

The works you speak of are as a RESULT of them recieving the gift. Not to earn the gift..

Your examples are always lacking, you need to think them out more.

No doubt..it is as if he is on the precipice and then refuses to see the truth of the scriptures.....

 

[Timeline]

If I tell you that you can have 100,000 acres of land that is in Texas at no cost it is free. But you have to come to the land. Now if you leave the land and never return it has not benefited you. I know this is not the perfect example, but I think it gets the idea across. You are saved without works, it is a free gift, but you have to accept it. If later you reject it, it was still free but you turned it down. I am completely on board with the idea that we do not work for our salvation, but we can lose it by rejecting Jesus. I do not believe in OSAS (again, of course, unless you are saying God knew that you would later reject Him and therefore never extended grace to begin with). I do not consider belief a work.

 

[dcontroversal]

Yep

When he gets to heaven, he will admit, I had it in my grasp. But I did not take it, what a fool I was.

No doubt...Those words are some of the most tragic words found in the bible...for sure!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If I tell you that you can have 100,000 acres of land that is in Texas at no cost it is free. But you have to come to the land. Now if you leave the land and never return it has not benefited you. I know this is not the perfect example, but I think it gets the idea across. You are saved without works, it is a free gift, but you have to accept it. If later you reject it, it was still free but you turned it down. I am completely on board with the idea that we do not work for our salvation, but we can lose it by rejecting Jesus. I do not believe in OSAS (again, of course, unless you are saying God knew that you would later reject Him and therefore never extended grace to begin with). I do not consider belief a work.

The land is still mine.

It was not taken away from me

I just did not benefit from it.

Your saying you took the land back and it no longer belongs to me. This is not what God says

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No doubt..it is as if he is on the precipice and then refuses to see the truth of the scriptures.....

lol.

he does not understand, the tickets represent salvation. It was still mine/

If I did not benefit from it the way God wanted me to completely, It does not mean the tickets (salvation) are not still mine.

 

[Timeline]

The land is still mine.

It was not taken away from me

I just did not benefit from it.

Your saying you took the land back and it no longer belongs to me. This is not what God says

I am now a man without a country.

 

[dcontroversal]

The land is still mine.

It was not taken away from me

I just did not benefit from it.

Your saying you took the land back and it no longer belongs to me. This is not what God says

AMEN and will also add that God does not UPBRAID......he does not dangle (spiritual carrots) in front of us to yank them when we grab hold of the carrots.....or before we grab the carrots....

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I am now a man without a country.

so am I. My residence is in heaven, I am a stranger here.

anyway

God gave Abrahams children Israel. They are not benefiting from it, because they have disobeyed him, but it still belongs to them, same context.

I can not walk away from God. He is omnipresent, I can not hide from him either, he leave the whole flock to bring back the lost sheep.

 

[Timeline]

So you both believe that once you are saved, you are always saved? And there is nothing you can do to lose your salvation?

 

[Timeline]

AMEN and will also add that God does not UPBRAID......he does not dangle (spiritual carrots) in front of us to yank them when we grab hold of the carrots.....or before we grab the carrots....

I agree, but we can throw the carrots back, No.