Passover/Unleavened Countdown . . .For Those Who Celebrate Them

[just-me]

IBTimesUK looks at Pesach, one of the most important Jewish festivities in the calendar.

It ought to the the most important to all Christians, for it commemorates the exodus from captivity.

Romans 7:23
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

Romans 6:18-22
18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed ? for the end of those things is death.
22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

Further...
the "fruit unto holiness" is commemorating the feast of weeks that follows the feast of unleavened bread.

everlasting life[SUB] commemorates the feast of tabernacles [/SUB]

 

[Vaudeville]

It ought to the the most important to all Christians, for it commemorates the exodus from captivity.

Romans 7:23
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

Romans 6:18-22
18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed ? for the end of those things is death.
22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

please. passover commemorates the israelites release from egypt. a type? yes.

Christ's actual death and atonement? NO.

incidentally:

1 Corinthians 15
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Romans 7
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

Galatians 3
4 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

if you need more hard instruction and discipline from the slave-schoolmaster, i guess it is what it is.
for those brought to faith in Christ, they now are sons directly under their Father, not the father`s slave babysitter.

 

[chubbena]

What is wrong with accepting Christmas pay? Nothing. Christmas is not holy to the LORD. It would be no different than accepting vacation pay.

You are wrong in all counts.
For those alleged to be "under the law" should only get paid six days a week.
For those "under grace" should get no pay at all because they are always at rest.

 

[chubbena]

I'm not,the thing is the Biblical holidays were under the OLD COVENANT,I am not under the Old Covenant but under the New Covenant. Jesus DID NOT give us a modified version of the Old Covenant. And Christ's law is the law of love,which is NOT bound by rules and regulations.

The thing is there's freedom under grace and to use this freedom to commemorate Passover, or any biblical feast for that matter, is not against the faith, is it? The Lord, or any writers in NT, did not forbid such, did they?
Now if what you said is true i.e. the law of love not bound by rules and regulations, should anyone accuse those who choose to commemorate these feasts? Should anyone say those choose to commemorate such are wrong if they don't fellow the OT instructions to a tee?

 

[KohenMatt]

The thing is there's freedom under grace and to use this freedom to commemorate Passover, or any biblical feast for that matter, is not against the faith, is it? The Lord, or any writers in NT, did not forbid such, did they?
Now if what you said is true i.e. the law of love not bound by rules and regulations, should anyone accuse those who choose to commemorate these feasts? Should anyone say those choose to commemorate such are wrong if they don't fellow the OT instructions to a tee?

Excellent point.

 

[Vaudeville]

I've been learning about the history of our church, and the progress toward getting rid of the feast and why they did it. I've gone through several histories of the Jewish people and it is all a history of how our church has treated them through the years. The church was out to get rid of them for years, and all they stood for while they quietly exhibited reverence for God even with their blindness to Christ.

learning from whom. if you read the new testament you will see it was the jews who persecuted and killed the christians and continued to persecute them even to this day.

as for this part while they quietly exhibited reverence for God even with their blindness to Christ

1 John 2
23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

who said the above.

 

[Vaudeville]

The thing is there's freedom under grace and to use this freedom to commemorate Passover, or any biblical feast for that matter, is not against the faith, is it? The Lord, or any writers in NT, did not forbid such, did they?
Now if what you said is true i.e. the law of love not bound by rules and regulations, should anyone accuse those who choose to commemorate these feasts? Should anyone say those choose to commemorate such are wrong if they don't fellow the OT instructions to a tee?

if youre not following them to the tee, thats syncretism.

 

[KohenMatt]

if youre not following them to the tee, thats syncretism.

Then by that same standard, if you're not following Jesus' commands to the tee, that's syncretism (which by definition, isn't exactly what's going on here.

Ahhh, but there's grace you might say.
Guess what? There was grace under the Law, too.
And in this case, no ones is putting themselves under the Law.

 

[Vaudeville]

Then by that same standard, if you're not following Jesus' commands to the tee, that's syncretism (which by definition, isn't exactly what's going on here.

Ahhh, but there's grace you might say.
Guess what? There was grace under the Law, too.
And in this case, no ones is putting themselves under the Law.

my respect for you is effected by your unwillingness to admit there are those right here teaching obedience to mosaic ordinances is required. im sure it doesnt matter if i respect you at all, just letting you know this pass for certain members doesnt go unnoticed. and you dont need to ask who they are, you already know.

God bless you Matt. please do be sure to correct those who teach their salvation hinges on mosaic law. i havent seen you do it yet.

 

[KohenMatt]

my respect for you is effected by your unwillingness to admit there are those right here teaching obedience to mosaic ordinances is required. im sure it doesnt matter if i respect you at all, just letting you know this pass for certain members doesnt go unnoticed. and you dont need to ask who they are, you already know.

God bless you Matt. please do be sure to correct those who teach their salvation hinges on mosaic law. i havent seen you do it yet.

Thanks for your kind words. I do appreciate them.

I think the difference between your view and other's is the word "require". I have yet to see anyone of the primary pro-law/sabbath/feast day crowd say you're required to for salvation's sake.

I have seen them say that you're required to walk in obedience to anything God tells you to do in order show your love for him.

Salvation isn't contingent on anything.
Showing love is contingent on doing things, even the Law.

 

[chubbena]

learning from whom. if you read the new testament you will see it was the jews who persecuted and killed the christians and continued to persecute them even to this day.

as for this part while they quietly exhibited reverence for God even with their blindness to Christ

1 John 2
23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

who said the above.

Who said the above? A Jew.

 

[chubbena]

if youre not following them to the tee, thats syncretism.

And for you to judge, that's legalism.

 

[Vaudeville]

And for you to judge, that's legalism.

no friend, moses himself warned you. perhaps he will be your judge.
Jesus warned the syncretist pharisees, too. they had their own spin on moses and thought it just fine.

John 5
44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.
47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

the LAW came through moses. the curses for breaking it (not strictly observing ALL) come from God.

 

[Vaudeville]

Who said the above? A Jew.

indeed. THE Jew, Jesus. now what did that have to do with the posters error:

while they (unbelieving jews) quietly exhibited reverence for God even with their blindness to Christ

i suppose you agree with her, and reject what Jesus the Jew said:

1 John 2
23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

perhaps you dont. so why are you posting to me, and not that error (heresy)

 

[oldthennew]

As I continue in observing the Appointment of Unleavened Bread several questions have come to mind. Where did the Israelites get new leaven after purging all the old? One answer I found was they could find leaven on grape leaves. Grape leaves??? Then I see another answer about spores of wild yeast being virtually everywhere. Basically, as long as they had flour and water, they would be able to make a pre-ferment for leavened bread.

Exodus 13:6 Seven days you shall eat unleavened bread, and on the seventh day there shall be a feast to the Lord. 7 Unleavened bread shall be eaten for seven days; no leavened bread shall be seen with you, and no leaven shall be seen with you in all your territory. (ESV) See also about chametz. The NIV says ". . . within your borders." The NASB agrees with the NIV, using "borders." The King James uses "quarters," which seems a different meaning.

What I take from this, is that sin is everywhere. No matter how hard you try and purge it from your life it may drift back in and you unaware. The more I study the feasts the more need of Messiah I have, for only by Him are we able to inherit life.

With His grace, I will do my best to overcome, and when I recognize sin in my life I pray to Almighty that I will love the truth enough to let go of sin and not excuse it, and not fear asking Him to show me where my sins are, where are my spots and blemishes, how I can be the best child of His that I can be.

John 3:16
(AKJV)

[SUP]16 [/SUP]For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

1John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. 6He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.[/QUOTE
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my wife and myself love this post!

it exhibits a humility that shows one that desires to draw nearer to God.
what struck us both is the finger pointed to her own heart.
it brought to our minds the publican that smote himself on his breast
and said, 'God be merciful to me, a sinner.'

Karraster,

may our Lord fill your heart with Holy Love and
give you an abundance of wisdom and understanding.
you are a good teacher.

the value of The Word of God, from Genesis to Revelation.
11Tim.3:16.,
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for....'
when Timothy wrote this, the NT hadn't even put together yet.
He is speaking of what we refer to as the OT.
Gal.3:8.
And the Scripture fore-seeing that God would justify the gentiles by Faith,
preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand.....
Luke 16:31.
But he said to him, 'if they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded
though One rose from the dead.'
Luke 24:27.

Christ is our Passover, therefore, 'let us keep the feast'.

(the Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread are as ONE)
this was instituted in Ex.12. but the Old Covenant was not
until Ex.24. - it was repeated in the OC because of its importance.
to the Christain it symbolizes the 'coming-out of this present evil world,
and this can only be done through Jesus Christ, our Passover.

if we stop at the point of accepting Christ as our Passover,
we leave Him on the cross, we would be worshipping a dead Christ,
therefore, let us keep the Feast and 'put out the sin, (leaven) -
this is our part. (we are not to just stand around and sing, 'just as I am', for the rest of our lives'....)
((OVERCOME!!! - OVERCOME!!! - OVERCOME!!!))
the days of unleavened bread are representative of 'the work of the Risen Christ',
our High Priest forever.
like it is written in another place, 'if we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us...'

we are reconciled to God by the death of His Son, but much more, being reconciled,
we shall be saved by His Life.....'

we rejoice in the Feasts and the Fellowship they create,
it is a True Rest from this present evil world.

 

[john832]

is Jesus the Father?

The Father was not the God of the O.T.

Gen 2:15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Gen 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
Gen 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
Gen 2:20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.

Gen 3:9 And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
Gen 3:10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
Gen 3:11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?
Gen 3:12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.
Gen 3:13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

Someone interacted here with Adam and Eve.

Abraham talked with God...

Gen 17:1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

Israel heard God's voice...

Exo 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,

Deu 5:4 The LORD talked with you face to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire,

Moses talked with God...

Num 12:5 And the LORD came down in the pillar of the cloud, and stood in the door of the tabernacle, and called Aaron and Miriam: and they both came forth.
Num 12:6 And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream.
Num 12:7 My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house.
Num 12:8 With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the LORD shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?

And actually saw the form of God...

Exo 33:18 And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory.
Exo 33:19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.
Exo 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
Exo 33:21 And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:
Exo 33:22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:
Exo 33:23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.

All these people saw and heard God, but it wasn't the Father...

Joh 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Who was the great I AM that Moses saw and talked with?

Exo 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Jesus Christ was the God of the Old Testament. What did He do, come and say "Oops, my bad, let's just forget the last 4000 years, I made a mistake"?

You think that is the case?

 

[chubbena]

no friend, moses himself warned you. perhaps he will be your judge.
Jesus warned the syncretist pharisees, too. they had their own spin on moses and thought it just fine.

John 5
44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.
47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

the LAW came through moses. the curses for breaking it (not strictly observing ALL) come from God.

It seems to me you sit in Moses' seat to teach me and others to follow the law to a tee, rob the freedom others and I enjoy and put a yoke on me and others here though.

 

[chubbena]

indeed. THE Jew, Jesus. now what did that have to do with the posters error:

while they (unbelieving jews) quietly exhibited reverence for God even with their blindness to Christ

i suppose you agree with her, and reject what Jesus the Jew said:

1 John 2
23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

perhaps you dont. so why are you posting to me, and not that error (heresy)

You are in error because you assume anyone who commemorate any biblical feast is blind to Christ in this thread.
What I've just shown you is, there are Jews and there are Jews.
What you should do or should have done, is to preach to those who do not know Christ thus could not rightfully abide the Law, rather than to those who know Christ, and choose to commemorate His death and resurrection on the Passover.
Get it?

 

[chubbena]

I meant, which one these laws did Abraham ( the friend of God ) keep? which one did the children of Israel after leaving Egypt keep? In fact they were under grace and God was with them by day as a pillar of smoke and by night as a pillar of fire. Their shoes didn't were out. they didn't get sick, food was provided every day. The law was given because they did not believe.

The angel of death passed over because of the blood of a lamb. Jesus is the lamb of God. Just as Abraham told his son that God would provide the sacrifice.

It might be off topic but if one has to ask which law Abraham had kept so as to consider keeping he just doesn't get it.
He said "Abraham obeyed me and did everything I required of him, keeping my commands, my decrees and my instructions." Yet Abraham is, to the standards set by the scripture, not without sin.
I like your post because I believe you correctly said the Israelites were under grace and I believe you refer to the same grace Christians are under.
The law, however, depends on one's definition.
God saved them from the bondage of slavery, gave them a choice in Exodus 19, before telling them what is required to become His nation, i.e. a kingdom of priest and a holy nation of priesthood, in Exodus 20 and on. Some draw the line between the ten commandments and other laws, some don't and some consider them totally replaced. Nonetheless, none of these three groups deny the blood of Christ.
Elsewhere in the scripture He said "because they had not obeyed my laws but had rejected my decrees and desecrated my Sabbaths, and their eyes lusted after their parents’ idols. So I gave them other statutes that were not good and laws through which they could not live."
And "But my people would not listen to me; Israel would not submit to me. So I gave them over to their stubborn heartsto follow their own devices."
So how does one define the Law?

 

[john832]

please. passover commemorates the israelites release from egypt. a type? yes.

Christ's actual death and atonement? NO.

Yeah, right...

1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: