Salvation Not Possible Without Works

[eternally-gratefull]

faith, not salvation. If one loses faith, one will not inherit the promise OF salvation.
You have not yet produced a text that says upon one's first moment of belief, one has attained salvation, or has been saved. They are all conditional with the promise awaiting, based on one's faith.

You have been given so many passages and verses which say this.

Deny it all you want, In doing so. You deny Christ and his promise, And take the HOPE of which one places their faith in, and makes it no hope.

No one can have faith if their is no hope.

 

[homwardbound]

Have some tea Home, but I feel you.

Thank you in reminding me to remember I am at rest in Father thank you Jesus, and kerry your bond serveant

 

[homwardbound]

you can twist your words all you want, you can even twist my words with yours, but DO NOT QUOTE ME AND CHANGE MY WORDS YOU QUOTED AS YOU DID HERE:



Above is no longer my words but your twisted up mess!

Amen and let it fall how it will, God is sovereign friend, Love you because Father loved me first, I could not love until I saw Father's love fro all through Son, thank you Jesus

 

[Cassian]

Man you really got a heavy dose of that works righteousness brainwashing.

Isaiah 45:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Israel has been saved by the LORD With an everlasting salvation; You will not be put to shame or humiliated To all eternity.

AND WE HAVE A BETTER COVENANT.

John 6:47 (HCSB)
[SUP]47 [/SUP]“I assure you: Anyone who believes has eternal life.

John 5:24 (NASB)
[SUP]24[/SUP] "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

Both of these texts the eternal life is conditioned upon believing. Believing is in the present tense, active and continuing. If you continue to believe, every day until death or Christ comes, you have eternal life. Never, is it had been saved, will recieve eternal life.

Find the text you need to actually support your premise.
There seems to be two premises.... one is saved by faith only.
Second, one is saved (past tense) with a one-time mental ascent of faith.

so, far, you have produced none that say either one.

 

[homwardbound]

Heb 5:8 "Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;"

Christ was obedient and those that become Christians are saved because of His obedience. Men are to follow Christ's example and be obedient to God ourselves.

Not by Law by Faith (trust) (belief) and thus we eanter rest by this belief, where as in the day of provocation they did not enter Father's rest because of unbelief and tried to work there way to be what flesh can't be, that you just seem to not see, praying for God to reveal truth to us both and be free by Father through Son

 

[homwardbound]

Eccl 12:13 "Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole of man."

Being obedient to God is the whole of man and the only ones saved are the ones that are obedient to God....."Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."

I am not doing my own self works but doing God's works, the works God has given all men to do.

Micah 6:8 He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the Lord require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?

So here you go, humbly and Mercy is what bring justly into play you think?

 

[Cassian]

No. this would be in error.

One who is not already saved, born of God, and given Gods spirit can not do any of those things. I can not start to act like my father, obey my father, and grow in the love of my father, if I am not the fathers son.

Being born from above is NOT salvation. It is entrance into Christ, it is baptism. Baptism regenerates one's relationship with Christ. It puts one into Christ so that salvation can take place. Faith gives you the RIGHT to be a child of God, an adopted one, but that RIGHT is lost when one does not obey, does not become conformed to His Likeness.
Born of God means to be made spiritually alive, placed into a relationship. It does not mean salvation, since man can very easily die spiritually. Just return to sinning habitually again, and you have died spiritually, and can no longer be a son.

 

[evangelist1]

Not by Law by Faith (trust) (belief) and thus we eanter rest by this belief, where as in the day of provocation they did not enter Father's rest because of unbelief and tried to work there way to be what flesh can't be, that you just seem to not see, praying for God to reveal truth to us both and be free by Father through Son

Amen, and praise God we need to trust alone in Christ not self righteous and boasting about our performances!
Shalom HB!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Being born from above is NOT salvation. It is entrance into Christ, it is baptism. Baptism regenerates one's relationship with Christ. It puts one into Christ so that salvation can take place. Faith gives you the RIGHT to be a child of God, an adopted one, but that RIGHT is lost when one does not obey, does not become conformed to His Likeness.
Born of God means to be made spiritually alive, placed into a relationship. It does not mean salvation, since man can very easily die spiritually. Just return to sinning habitually again, and you have died spiritually, and can no longer be a son.

Hey, Your back..

so are you going to answer?

Are you perfect?

if you are not. how are you going to make yourself perfect.?

I ask. Because only a perfect person can enter the presence of God. so unless your perfect you have no hope.

 

[homwardbound]

I am not sure I can straighten this out because it has several unscriptural phrases in it.
First, there is NOT a single human being that has not been redeemed by the Blood of Christ. Col 1:20, it even includes the world. Rom 5:6-10, II Cor 5:18-19, Rom 3:23-25 are just a couple.
Secondly, every single person still sins and no man is without sin.

Christ does not see me as sinless, until and except that I repent and confess my sin. Unfortunately, any believer still sins and must confess his sins continually.

There is no forgiveness without shedding of blood, none, and so is Christ coming back again and again to shed more blood for more forgiveness?
Or is he ans was he the last sacrifice concerning the sin issue and the last shedding of blood for all sin or not?
What is left, to beleive God or not. It seems you might not have full Faith, belief with no doubt as many did and do even before the cross, that you apparently are denying by your self effort works, love you though, at least you seem to want to do good for God and are harming his amazing grace and taking credit in God's stead please think what you are conveying here

 

[homwardbound]

The verses I listed are just as necessary to salvation as Jn 3:16. Faith only advocates have an obvious tendency to cherry pick out just the verse that mention "believe" while ignoring all the other salvic verses - as the ones in my list.

Do you hate that by Faith in the finished work of Father through Son, we have been given mercy that we do not deserve. as what God did for the Ninevites with Jonah, and Jonah was mad over this Mercy given, who knew they did not deserve to be pardoned, yet God pardoned them

I am trhankful for God's pardon through Son to me and as well for all that will choose to beleive God and thank God for God to do this while we all were still yet unbelievers in God's Love to all from day one of the fall, and he had Mercy on them and clothed them

 

[Cassian]

You have been given so many passages and verses which say this.

Deny it all you want, In doing so. You deny Christ and his promise, And take the HOPE of which one places their faith in, and makes it no hope.

No one can have faith if their is no hope.

It is the hope that generates the faith. You have everything backwards.

You have given a lot of texts that you thought stated that one is saved by faith only, but none have lived up to that billing.
They have all been refuted. Including the two that generated these last two responses. As long as what a person does in the present tense, active and continuing, it means you do not have past tense salvation. It also means that you have not been saved in the future, since that present tense must continue in order to be saved.

Scripture gives untold numbers of texts to upon one's faith. All meaningless, if one is already saved by some past, one moment of faith.

 

[homwardbound]

God's Grace.

Will grace alone (without your faith) save you? No.

God gave the measure of Faith I have, and am grateful to be at the very least a toilet bowl scrubber in the kingdom, that I have been invited to through Son, and the work that gets done here on earth is as an ambassador, representing the kingdom of God in love Joy, peace and God's righteousness, saying to the people of this earth come live here in heaven in the Spirit of God through the finished work of Son, and be put back here on earth too; as an ambassador representing the truth of Love from God to all who will believe

 

[Cassian]

Hey, Your back..

so are you going to answer?

Are you perfect?

if you are not. how are you going to make yourself perfect.?

I ask. Because only a perfect person can enter the presence of God. so unless your perfect you have no hope.

I answered this many posts ago. You need to keep up. Check it out.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I answered this many posts ago. You need to keep up. Check it out.

No.

You beat around the bush, Your not getting off that easy buddy.

Are you afraid to answer?

 

[homwardbound]

Still waiting for a faith only advocate to produce the verse that says "do nothing and thou shalt be saved"

Abraham did not have a dead faith only, Heb 11:8

Do you not see or understand that Abraham's faith and Noah's Faith brought the works of God forward through them God work is the by-product of Believing God, it is God's work not mine and if God decides to give me credit then God does and if not then not
I trust God whom is the only one righteous, and am thankful from God through Christ I was invited to join in and participate in God's righteousness
The difference in self works and Faith in the finished works of Christ and the response is thanfulness being relieved of worry and strife, therefore we do as we go about here in this life ready to give an account for our joy, to all who see and ask in season and out. it is all God and not me, I am nothing more that God's vessel to be used by God as and whenever God sees fit, And you do you see this as truth or error?

 

[Cassian]

There is no forgiveness without shedding of blood, none, and so is Christ coming back again and again to shed more blood for more forgiveness?
Or is he ans was he the last sacrifice concerning the sin issue and the last shedding of blood for all sin or not?
What is left, to beleive God or not. It seems you might not have full Faith, belief with no doubt as many did and do even before the cross, that you apparently are denying by your self effort works, love you though, at least you seem to want to do good for God and are harming his amazing grace and taking credit in God's stead please think what you are conveying here

Hebrews says that sacrifice was good until the end of time. But simply atoning for sin does not forgive sin. If it did, everyone would be going to heaven since He propitiated the sin of the world. Simply performing a sacrifice does not forgive. Christ could not through that one time sacrifice even forgive sins until He returned to heaven to become our High Priest.

It seems you are still striking at your strawman. Mischaracterizations does not refute anything.

 

[homwardbound]

Rom 5:2 "By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God."

I must have faith to have access to God's grace. No faith = no grace.

So God's grace alone (without man's faith) does not save.

Delivering you to Father to deal with you as Father sees fit, knowing god knows who is who, thank you, love you, flesh needs to be destroiyed obviously, that in the day you might be saved and me too, if my flesh is destroyed

 

[Cassian]

Do you hate that by Faith in the finished work of Father through Son, we have been given mercy that we do not deserve. as what God did for the Ninevites with Jonah, and Jonah was mad over this Mercy given, who knew they did not deserve to be pardoned, yet God pardoned them

I am trhankful for God's pardon through Son to me and as well for all that will choose to beleive God and thank God for God to do this while we all were still yet unbelievers in God's Love to all from day one of the fall, and he had Mercy on them and clothed them

Are you not actually reading your texts that you cited. God did not just arbitraily pardon Nineveh. They repented, the King demanded that even the cattle be cloaked with sackcloth and ashes. You need to do your homework much better.
Your throwing mud hoping some sticks.

 

[Cassian]

No.

You beat around the bush, Your not getting off that easy buddy.

Are you afraid to answer?

So you got lazy as well. Do your own homework. Stay up to date.