Did Jesus Return in AD 70?

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Did you read what Jesus said, No one has ascended except the Son of Man? I am not trying to go against God, I assure you. I have a lot more fear and reverence for God than man. I sincerely want to know whatever it is that God wants me to know.
Aye and I agree with Jesus. No man has ever ascended to heaven. Only Jesus ascended to heaven when the angels bore Him up as the Messiah prophecies state, the complete package, Jesus is Messiah indisputably!

Enoch and Elijah are said in the Bible to be taken up to heaven. Lol Enoch and Elijah never ascended to heaven, they were men like you and me, but I do believe they were taken by God as the Bible say.
 

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Words that have passed true throughout time and shall pass true in time. Trully Isaiah was a prophet. We shall see what becomes of our time indeed.
I think that the "New" was Jesus and grace as well as the passing of the old law. I am not saying that we don't live by the heart of the law, which is love, I just don't think that we are under the law of sin and death. Jesus was victorious over death as we are if we are in Him. Some people think that I am trying to say that we sin and do whatever we want and it is okay. This could be further from the truth. "If we have died to sin, how can we live in it?" Grace is not permission to sin, but an escape from death will we fall - and then of course get back up. I don't think we should fall and stay there.
 

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I think that the "New" was Jesus and grace as well as the passing of the old law. I am not saying that we don't live by the heart of the law, which is love, I just don't think that we are under the law of sin and death. Jesus was victorious over death as we are if we are in Him. Some people think that I am trying to say that we sin and do whatever we want and it is okay. This could be further from the truth. "If we have died to sin, how can we live in it?" Grace is not permission to sin, but an escape from death will we fall - and then of course get back up. I don't think we should fall and stay there.
Ha Ha... That was supposed to say "This could not be further from the truth." Not was not a good word to leave out.
 
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Revelation isn't a linear book. I believe much of the book has happened as of 70AD but Jesus didn't return a Second time and believers aren't already living on the New Heaven and the New Earth etc.
 

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I would also like to add ( I know a lot of people do not believe in a pretrib and I am not trying to stir things up) the rapture hasn't happened yet ( i know some believe this happens at the second coming). But Jesus said I come as a thief in the night. Now a thief doesn't come with Trumpets and the heavens opened up and the stars falling and the powers of heaven being shaken. That's my take on things.
As I have asked before, on another thread and was ignored, where does the rapture theory come from? I know the verse that says one will be taken and one will be left, but beyond that I am not sure where this idea comes from.

Jesus, was crucified between two thieves (like a thief) and most people, I think, missed this. Yes, I know that some of "those scriptures were written after the resurrection" , but I cannot just dismiss this "coincidence" either. There is too much that points to first century fulfillment to just disregard it because of my lack of understanding on a few other points. If I am wrong, I hope to be corrected, but I don't think that I am wrong.
 

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Revelation isn't a linear book. I believe much of the book has happened as of 70AD but Jesus didn't return a Second time and believers aren't already living on the New Heaven and the New Earth etc.
Matthew 5:18 For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished

I believe that either we are in the new heaven and new earth or we are still under the old law. I do not follow the old law, do you? If we are not under the old law, then we are in the new heaven/new earth. I believe the new heaven and new earth means that the old "system" where you had to be an Israelite to be of the chosen people (or a slave that had an awl driven through your ear) has passed and now anyone can become the children of God. I don't believe that the earth actually changed physically.

I believe that the destruction of the Temple and the scattering of the Jewish people was the final step in the passing of the old law. Well, actually Jesus' resurrection, but the destruction of the temple and the priesthood forced it to change.
 
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I am going to bring up another point here. How many people believe that Jesus was 33 when He was crucified?


Why?


The bible says that He started His ministry when He was about 30, but nowhere that I have seen says that His ministry was only 3 years. I think that prophecy might point in this direction (depending on your interpretation), but the bible does not present this as a fact, to my knowledge.
 
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Matthew 5:18 For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished

I believe that either we are in the new heaven and new earth or we are still under the old law. I do not follow the old law, do you? If we are not under the old law, then we are in the new heaven/new earth. I believe the new heaven and new earth means that the old "system" where you had to be an Israelite to be of the chosen people (or a slave that had an awl driven through your ear) has passed and now anyone can become the children of God. I don't believe that the earth actually changed physically.

I believe that the destruction of the Temple and the scattering of the Jewish people was the final step in the passing of the old law. Well, actually Jesus' resurrection, but the destruction of the temple and the priesthood forced it to change.
Hmm... Well, I live under the New Covenant but the New Heaven and New Earth isn't an apocalyptic literature metaphor, it's to be taken literally (not the whole of the book is but our final destination is going to be more real than even the Garden of Eden). Do you see a world free of sin and its consequences? Because I most certainly don't!
 

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Also, when we refer to 70 AD it does give us a bit of a reference to work with, but it is hardly conclusive as the calendar has been changed twice.
 
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I am going to bring up another point here. How many people believe that Jesus was 33 when He was crucified?


Why?


The bible says that He started His ministry when He was about 30, but nowhere that I have seen says that His ministry was only 3 years. I think that prophecy might point in this direction (depending on your interpretation), but the bible does not present this as a fact, to my knowledge.
I haven't studied this but I found a very interesting post regarding this very topic.

How do We Know Jesus Ministered For Under 3 Years?
 

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Hmm... Well, I live under the New Covenant but the New Heaven and New Earth isn't an apocalyptic literature metaphor, it's to be taken literally (not the whole of the book is but our final destination is going to be more real than even the Garden of Eden). Do you see a world free of sin and its consequences? Because I most certainly don't!
Why it that required? What verse(s) do you base this on?
 

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I haven't studied this but I found a very interesting post regarding this very topic.

How do We Know Jesus Ministered For Under 3 Years?
I believe there are just as many verses that would suggest that His ministry was 20 years as there are that point to 3 years. I am not saying it is one or the other but I just think it is funny that we (Christians across the board) argue about so many things, but it seems universal that Jesus' ministry was only three years.

I don't think Him having time to do what He did is the issue....He is God and can do whatever He wants in whatever time period He wanted to do it in. I do believe He worked within some physical limitations, but I think we need to be careful putting limitations on Him. I hope that came across the way that I intended (I can't seem to say it right).
 
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Revelation isn't a linear book. I believe much of the book has happened as of 70AD but Jesus didn't return a Second time and believers aren't already living on the New Heaven and the New Earth etc.
Interesting take it seems a lot of people believe this. The 70 AD mark I do not beleive is even possible unless you think Revelations was written in 70 AD. In which case fair enough, by technicality the book starts when it is written. According to wikipedia this may have been between 60 to 90 AD. So I suppose one could make the case that if John sent out the 7 Letters that part of the prophecy be fulfilled. However I'd urge a bit of caution because even if the 7 Letters were distributed as foretold then this means that even though that sign has passed the message of the 7 Letters still applies to all of us today and perhaps even moreso a generation to come.


I do believe Revelations is linear, especially since John took care to mention not altering the prophecy by taking away or adding to it. My big question on Revelation is whether or not the actual prophecies therein begins from its writing or will all come within one time era in the future (either one day in the future to thousands of years in the future I know not). When I consider the other prophecies slated to be passed elsewhere in the Bible I feel moreso that Revelation specifically deal with the Last Generation. However I know this not for sure, hence why I still study the prophecy from time to time and also just history plainly. From my understanding of scripture and history I feel pretty safe in asserting that Revelation prophecy was at the least not totally fulfilled in 70 AD if it is even applicable to 70 AD outside its possible writing and the 7 Letters.
 

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Interesting take it seems a lot of people believe this. The 70 AD mark I do not beleive is even possible unless you think Revelations was written in 70 AD. In which case fair enough, by technicality the book starts when it is written. According to wikipedia this may have been between 60 to 90 AD. So I suppose one could make the case that if John sent out the 7 Letters that part of the prophecy be fulfilled. However I'd urge a bit of caution because even if the 7 Letters were distributed as foretold then this means that even though that sign has passed the message of the 7 Letters still applies to all of us today and perhaps even moreso a generation to come.


I do believe Revelations is linear, especially since John took care to mention not altering the prophecy by taking away or adding to it. My big question on Revelation is whether or not the actual prophecies therein begins from its writing or will all come within one time era in the future (either one day in the future to thousands of years in the future I know not). When I consider the other prophecies slated to be passed elsewhere in the Bible I feel moreso that Revelation specifically deal with the Last Generation. However I know this not for sure, hence why I still study the prophecy from time to time and also just history plainly. From my understanding of scripture and history I feel pretty safe in asserting that Revelation prophecy was at the least not totally fulfilled in 70 AD if it is even applicable to 70 AD outside its possible writing and the 7 Letters.
I believe that the Revelation may have been given at the transfiguration. And then written sometime after Jesus' resurrection. I know that is a bit vague, but I will say I do not believe that it was written as late as 70AD. In my opinion, it was written before 70AD. I am not really sure how "scholars" come up with the 70-100AD figure, but at this time, I cannot believe it was written that late.
 

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Also, when we refer to 70 AD it does give us a bit of a reference to work with, but it is hardly conclusive as the calendar has been changed twice.
That was supposed to say at least twice. But the point is that we do not know exactly when we are because of the calendar changes. The Jewish people say that it has been 5774 years since creation, but they cannot really be trusted as they are trying to disprove Jesus. We know that they lied about Jesus' resurrection, claiming that the Apostles just stole the body, so I cannot put much stock in 5774. If it has been 2014 years since Jesus was born, then we would be somewhere between 6,000 years and, let's say, 6,200 years from creation. Which would be a difference of 226 to 426 years. I have asked a lot of people if they could help me with this discrepancy, but no one seems to know. I know that many people will tell you that the 2000 years between Jesus' birth and now can be accounted for, but a lot has happened between then and now, and there has been plenty to disrupt proper history records.
 
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I believe that the Revelation may have been given at the transfiguration. And then written sometime after Jesus' resurrection. I know that is a bit vague, but I will say I do not believe that it was written as late as 70AD. In my opinion, it was written before 70AD. I am not really sure how "scholars" come up with the 70-100AD figure, but at this time, I cannot believe it was written that late.
Interesting viewpoint. I often wonder about the Transfiguration. I think the Transfiguration wasn't the giving of the prophecies of Revelations and that they came to John while he was in exile on the island of Patmos. Some could argue the Patmos part of it, but either way, didn't happen during the Transfiguration event because in Revelation 1:1 John say an angel gave it to him.

Though if you want to be technical to the utmost degreee, you could argue the Transfiguration was a sign of the End of Times since God is Alpha and Omega. Beautiful part of the Bible where Jesus opens up heaven showing much of his splendour and trully revealing his deity outright to the foremost apostles.
 

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Interesting viewpoint. I often wonder about the Transfiguration. I think the Transfiguration wasn't the giving of the prophecies of Revelations and that they came to John while he was in exile on the island of Patmos. Some could argue the Patmos part of it, but either way, didn't happen during the Transfiguration event because in Revelation 1:1 John say an angel gave it to him.

Though if you want to be technical to the utmost degreee, you could argue the Transfiguration was a sign of the End of Times since God is Alpha and Omega. Beautiful part of the Bible where Jesus opens up heaven showing much of his splendour and trully revealing his deity outright to the foremost apostles.

Mark 9:9-13 9 And Jesus was saying to them, Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God after it has come with power.”
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Six days later, Jesus *took with Him Peter and James and John, and *brought them up on a high mountain by themselves. And He was transfigured before them; [SUP]3 [/SUP]and His garments became radiant and exceedingly white, as no launderer on earth can whiten them. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Elijah appeared to them along with Moses; and they were talking with Jesus. [SUP]5 [/SUP]Peter *said to Jesus, “Rabbi, it is good for us to be here; let us make three tabernacles, one for You, and one for Moses, and one for Elijah.” [SUP]6 [/SUP]For he did not know what to answer; for they became terrified. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Then a cloud formed, overshadowing them, and a voice came out of the cloud, “This is My beloved Son, listen to Him!” [SUP]8 [/SUP]All at once they looked around and saw no one with them anymore, except Jesus alone. [SUP]9 [/SUP]As they were coming down from the mountain, He gave them orders not to relate to anyone what they had seen, until the Son of Man rose from the dead.[SUP]10 [/SUP]They seized upon that statement, discussing with one anotherwhat rising from the dead meant. [SUP]11 [/SUP]They asked Him, saying, “Why is it that the scribes say that Elijah must come first?” [SUP]12 [/SUP]And He said to them, “Elijah does first come and restore all things. And yet how is it written of the Son of Man that He will suffer many things and be treated with contempt? [SUP]13 [/SUP]But I say to you that Elijah has indeed come, and they did to him whatever they wished, just as it is written of him.”

[SUP][/SUP]Luke 9[SUP]:12 [/SUP]Now the day was ending, and the twelve came and said to Him, “Send the crowd away, that they may go into the surrounding villages and countryside and find lodging and get something to eat; for here we are in a desolate place.” [SUP]13 [/SUP]But He said to them, “You give them something to eat!” And they said, “We have no more than five loaves and two fish, unless perhaps we go and buy food for all these people.” [SUP]14 [/SUP](For there were about five thousand men.) And He said to His disciples, “Have them sit down to eatin groups of about fifty each.” [SUP]15 [/SUP]They did so, and had them all sit down. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Then He took the five loaves and the two fish, and looking up to heaven, He blessed them, and broke them, and kept giving them to the disciples to set before the people. [SUP]17 [/SUP]And they all ate and were satisfied; and the broken pieces which they had left over were picked up, twelve baskets full.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And it happened that while He was praying alone, the disciples were with Him, and He questioned them, saying, “Who do the people say that I am?” [SUP]19 [/SUP]They answered and said, “John the Baptist, and others say Elijah; but others, that one of the prophets of old has risen again.” [SUP]20 [/SUP]And He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” And Peter answered and said, “The Christ of God.” [SUP]21 [/SUP]But He warned them and instructed them not to tell this to anyone, [SUP]22 [/SUP]saying, The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed and be raised up on the third day.”
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And He was saying to them all, If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross daily and follow Me. [SUP]24 [/SUP]For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake, he is the one who will save it. [SUP]25 [/SUP]For what is a man profited if he gains the whole world, and loses or forfeits himself? [SUP]26 [/SUP]For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when He comes in His glory, and the glory of the Father and of the holy angels. [SUP]27 [/SUP]But I say to you truthfully, there are some of those standing here who will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God.”

[SUP]28[/SUP]Some eight days after these sayings, He took along Peter and John and James, and went up on the mountain to pray.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]And while He was praying, the appearance of His face became different, and His clothing became white and gleaming. [SUP]30 [/SUP]And behold, two men were talking with Him; and they were Moses and Elijah, [SUP]31 [/SUP]who, appearing in glory, were speaking of His departure which He was about to accomplish at Jerusalem. [SUP]32 [/SUP]Now Peter and his companions had been overcome with sleep; but when they were fully awake, they saw His glory and the two men standing with Him. [SUP]33 [/SUP]And as these were leaving Him, Peter said to Jesus, “Master, it is good for us to be here; let us make three tabernacles: one for You, and one for Moses, and one for Elijah”—not realizing what he was saying. [SUP]34 [/SUP]While he was saying this, a cloud formed and began to overshadow them; and they were afraid as they entered the cloud. [SUP]35 [/SUP]Then a voice came out of the cloud, saying, “This is My Son, My Chosen One; listen to Him!” [SUP]36 [/SUP]And when the voice had spoken, Jesus was found alone. And they kept silent, and reported to no one in those days any of the things which they had seen.
[SUP]37 [/SUP]On the next day, when they came down from the mountain, a large crowd met Him. [SUP]38 [/SUP]And a man from the crowd shouted, saying, “Teacher, I beg You to look at my son, for he is my only boy, [SUP]39 [/SUP]and a spirit seizes him, and he suddenly screams, and it throws him into a convulsion with foaming at the mouth; and only with difficulty does it leave him, mauling him as it leaves. [SUP]40 [/SUP]I begged Your disciples to cast it out, and they could not.” [SUP]41 [/SUP]And Jesus answered and said, “You unbelieving and perverted generation, how long shall I be with you and put up with you? Bring your son here.” [SUP]42 [/SUP]While he was still approaching, the demon slammed him to the ground and threw him into a convulsion. But Jesus rebuked the unclean spirit, and healed the boy and gave him back to his father. [SUP]43 [/SUP]And they were all amazed at the greatness of God.
But while everyone was marveling at all that He was doing, He said to His disciples, [SUP]44 [/SUP]“Let these words sink into your ears; for the Son of Man is going to be delivered into the hands of men.” [SUP]45 [/SUP]But they did not understand this statement, and it was concealed from them so that they would not perceive it; and they were afraid to ask Him about this statement.

Rev 1: 1
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking with me. And having turned I saw seven golden lampstands; [SUP]13 [/SUP]and in the middle of the lampstands I saw one like a son of man, clothed in a robe reaching to the feet, and girded across His chest with a golden sash. [SUP]14 [/SUP]His head and His hair were white like white wool, like snow; and His eyes were like a flame of fire. [SUP]15 [/SUP]His feet were like burnished bronze, when it has been made to glow in a furnace, and His voice was like the sound of many waters. [SUP]16 [/SUP]In His right hand He held seven stars, and out of His mouth came a sharp two-edged sword; and His face was like the sun shining in its strength.

Yeah, I know, its not conclusive, but I believe it. I know everything doesn't fit, but we both know that no ones completely fits. I feel better about mine, but will not be so bold (at least not yet) as to say that my interpretation has to be right. I am speaking here about my whole "understanding" not just that Revelation was given at the Transfiguration.
 

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Sorry that post was long, but I included the scriptures around the verses of the transfiguration.
 
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Mark 9:9-13 9 And Jesus was saying to them, Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God after it has come with power.”
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Six days later, Jesus *took with Him Peter and James and John, and *brought them up on a high mountain by themselves. And He was transfigured before them; [SUP]3 [/SUP]and His garments became radiant and exceedingly white, as no launderer on earth can whiten them. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Elijah appeared to them along with Moses; and they were talking with Jesus. [SUP]5 [/SUP]Peter *said to Jesus, “Rabbi, it is good for us to be here; let us make three tabernacles, one for You, and one for Moses, and one for Elijah.” [SUP]6 [/SUP]For he did not know what to answer; for they became terrified. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Then a cloud formed, overshadowing them, and a voice came out of the cloud, “This is My beloved Son, listen to Him!” [SUP]8 [/SUP]All at once they looked around and saw no one with them anymore, except Jesus alone. [SUP]9 [/SUP]As they were coming down from the mountain, He gave them orders not to relate to anyone what they had seen, until the Son of Man rose from the dead.[SUP]10 [/SUP]They seized upon that statement, discussing with one anotherwhat rising from the dead meant. [SUP]11 [/SUP]They asked Him, saying, “Why is it that the scribes say that Elijah must come first?” [SUP]12 [/SUP]And He said to them, “Elijah does first come and restore all things. And yet how is it written of the Son of Man that He will suffer many things and be treated with contempt? [SUP]13 [/SUP]But I say to you that Elijah has indeed come, and they did to him whatever they wished, just as it is written of him.”

Luke 9[SUP]:12 [/SUP]Now the day was ending, and the twelve came and said to Him, “Send the crowd away, that they may go into the surrounding villages and countryside and find lodging and get something to eat; for here we are in a desolate place.” [SUP]13 [/SUP]But He said to them, “You give them something to eat!” And they said, “We have no more than five loaves and two fish, unless perhaps we go and buy food for all these people.” [SUP]14 [/SUP](For there were about five thousand men.) And He said to His disciples, “Have them sit down to eatin groups of about fifty each.” [SUP]15 [/SUP]They did so, and had them all sit down. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Then He took the five loaves and the two fish, and looking up to heaven, He blessed them, and broke them, and kept giving them to the disciples to set before the people. [SUP]17 [/SUP]And they all ate and were satisfied; and the broken pieces which they had left over were picked up, twelve baskets full.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And it happened that while He was praying alone, the disciples were with Him, and He questioned them, saying, “Who do the people say that I am?” [SUP]19 [/SUP]They answered and said, “John the Baptist, and others say Elijah; but others, that one of the prophets of old has risen again.” [SUP]20 [/SUP]And He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” And Peter answered and said, “The Christ of God.” [SUP]21 [/SUP]But He warned them and instructed them not to tell this to anyone, [SUP]22 [/SUP]saying, The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed and be raised up on the third day.”
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And He was saying to them all, If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross daily and follow Me. [SUP]24 [/SUP]For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake, he is the one who will save it. [SUP]25 [/SUP]For what is a man profited if he gains the whole world, and loses or forfeits himself? [SUP]26 [/SUP]For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when He comes in His glory, and the glory of the Father and of the holy angels. [SUP]27 [/SUP]But I say to you truthfully, there are some of those standing here who will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God.”

[SUP]28[/SUP]Some eight days after these sayings, He took along Peter and John and James, and went up on the mountain to pray.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]And while He was praying, the appearance of His face became different, and His clothing became white and gleaming. [SUP]30 [/SUP]And behold, two men were talking with Him; and they were Moses and Elijah, [SUP]31 [/SUP]who, appearing in glory, were speaking of His departure which He was about to accomplish at Jerusalem. [SUP]32 [/SUP]Now Peter and his companions had been overcome with sleep; but when they were fully awake, they saw His glory and the two men standing with Him. [SUP]33 [/SUP]And as these were leaving Him, Peter said to Jesus, “Master, it is good for us to be here; let us make three tabernacles: one for You, and one for Moses, and one for Elijah”—not realizing what he was saying. [SUP]34 [/SUP]While he was saying this, a cloud formed and began to overshadow them; and they were afraid as they entered the cloud. [SUP]35 [/SUP]Then a voice came out of the cloud, saying, “This is My Son, My Chosen One; listen to Him!” [SUP]36 [/SUP]And when the voice had spoken, Jesus was found alone. And they kept silent, and reported to no one in those days any of the things which they had seen.
[SUP]37 [/SUP]On the next day, when they came down from the mountain, a large crowd met Him. [SUP]38 [/SUP]And a man from the crowd shouted, saying, “Teacher, I beg You to look at my son, for he is my only boy, [SUP]39 [/SUP]and a spirit seizes him, and he suddenly screams, and it throws him into a convulsion with foaming at the mouth; and only with difficulty does it leave him, mauling him as it leaves. [SUP]40 [/SUP]I begged Your disciples to cast it out, and they could not.” [SUP]41 [/SUP]And Jesus answered and said, “You unbelieving and perverted generation, how long shall I be with you and put up with you? Bring your son here.” [SUP]42 [/SUP]While he was still approaching, the demon slammed him to the ground and threw him into a convulsion. But Jesus rebuked the unclean spirit, and healed the boy and gave him back to his father. [SUP]43 [/SUP]And they were all amazed at the greatness of God.
But while everyone was marveling at all that He was doing, He said to His disciples, [SUP]44 [/SUP]“Let these words sink into your ears; for the Son of Man is going to be delivered into the hands of men.” [SUP]45 [/SUP]But they did not understand this statement, and it was concealed from them so that they would not perceive it; and they were afraid to ask Him about this statement.

Rev 1: 1
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking with me. And having turned I saw seven golden lampstands; [SUP]13 [/SUP]and in the middle of the lampstands I saw one like a son of man, clothed in a robe reaching to the feet, and girded across His chest with a golden sash. [SUP]14 [/SUP]His head and His hair were white like white wool, like snow; and His eyes were like a flame of fire. [SUP]15 [/SUP]His feet were like burnished bronze, when it has been made to glow in a furnace, and His voice was like the sound of many waters. [SUP]16 [/SUP]In His right hand He held seven stars, and out of His mouth came a sharp two-edged sword; and His face was like the sun shining in its strength.

Yeah, I know, its not conclusive, but I believe it. I know everything doesn't fit, but we both know that no ones completely fits. I feel better about mine, but will not be so bold (at least not yet) as to say that my interpretation has to be right. I am speaking here about my whole "understanding" not just that Revelation was given at the Transfiguration.
I would just say this, if everything does not fit. there is a problem. In prophesy everything must fit, or something is wrong. That is how we can see if our interpretation is true to the facts, or is lacking in some way.

 

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I would just say this, if everything does not fit. there is a problem. In prophesy everything must fit, or something is wrong. That is how we can see if our interpretation is true to the facts, or is lacking in some way.

I agree, and there is a problem with everybody's that I have heard. And I wouldn't say that "it doesn't fit" as much as I don't have all of the pieces or I have a lack understanding (who doesn't).
 
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