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I don't know exactly how God deals with a baby. A baby is not born again, but rather in a state of ignorance subject to the natural passions of the flesh. They are pure and innocent in that they have not chosen to do evil. Thus a baby is clearly not condemned.
How exactly God brings a baby "up to speed" I have no idea.
The Bible is clear that sin kills via law. It is impossible to sin unto death (and this fall under condemnation) unless one has the capacity to willingly choose evil over good.
Babies are not born in a condemned or guilty state. Those who teach that they are not only teaching that which is foolish but they are maligning the character of God.
How exactly God brings a baby "up to speed" I have no idea.
The Bible is clear that sin kills via law. It is impossible to sin unto death (and this fall under condemnation) unless one has the capacity to willingly choose evil over good.
Babies are not born in a condemned or guilty state. Those who teach that they are not only teaching that which is foolish but they are maligning the character of God.
When the lie of "birth depravity" is exposed for what it is the entire structure of Calvinism collapses.
T = Total Depravity
U = Unconditional Election (election must be unconditional because the totally depraved have no free will)
L = Limited Atonement (the atonement must be limited because Calvinists view it as a once and for all judicial transaction and therefore those whom are lost cannot have had this transaction applied to them. If Jesus was literally a "wrath substitute" for the Elect He could not have been a "wrath substitute" for the lost otherwise universal salvation would be true).
I = Irresistible Grace (grace must be irresistible because birth depravity necessitates resistance if the option is left to the depraved)
P = Perseverance of the Saints. (Due to grace being irresistible and election being unconditional then the elect will persevere)
T = Total Depravity
U = Unconditional Election (election must be unconditional because the totally depraved have no free will)
L = Limited Atonement (the atonement must be limited because Calvinists view it as a once and for all judicial transaction and therefore those whom are lost cannot have had this transaction applied to them. If Jesus was literally a "wrath substitute" for the Elect He could not have been a "wrath substitute" for the lost otherwise universal salvation would be true).
I = Irresistible Grace (grace must be irresistible because birth depravity necessitates resistance if the option is left to the depraved)
P = Perseverance of the Saints. (Due to grace being irresistible and election being unconditional then the elect will persevere)
Rom 9:11 no one before they were born have done any good or evil, so everyone is born in a neutral, innocent state, not depraved....Rom 3:12 "They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one."
"Gone" and "become" show personal culpability. It's not "born out of the way" or "born unprofitable"
"Gone" and "become" show personal culpability. It's not "born out of the way" or "born unprofitable"
Growth is related to an increase in knowledge and wisdom. Here on Earth Christians are to grow in the grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ and unless Christians somehow became a know-it-all before death then I think it is an absolute certainty that a Christian continues to grow in eternity.
The Angels seek to learn more...
1Pe 1:12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
The Angels seek to learn more...
1Pe 1:12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
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We have debated this before. I disagree with your Scriptural hermeneutic, and disagree with your logic... but it has been a waste of time in the past debating with you, so I will just agree to disagree.
You have your history a bit off, an are mislabeling what I have stated.
The ancient gnostics taught secret knowledge as the source of salvation.
Dualism was never orthodox.
Zoroastrian philosophy has always been considered heretical.
If you don't like seeing human depravity which is clearly displayed within Scripture, that is on you.
Gnostics believed that humans were innately good, but hindered.
What the Bible teaches is the humans are innately wicked, and only faith in Christ can free us, by rebirth in the Spirit.
I know you are unwilling to change your mind about this, so this is my last post about it with you.
You have your history a bit off, an are mislabeling what I have stated.
The ancient gnostics taught secret knowledge as the source of salvation.
Dualism was never orthodox.
Zoroastrian philosophy has always been considered heretical.
If you don't like seeing human depravity which is clearly displayed within Scripture, that is on you.
Gnostics believed that humans were innately good, but hindered.
What the Bible teaches is the humans are innately wicked, and only faith in Christ can free us, by rebirth in the Spirit.
I know you are unwilling to change your mind about this, so this is my last post about it with you.
It is only a paradox if you are trying to reconcile "free-will" with "birth depravity."
Jesus Christ came to set us free from the service or bondage to sin. Sinners are not born into bondage to sin, they sell themselves into it by choosing to sin and then their character and brains develop a natural disposition towards sinning. For example a pornography addict is not born a pornography addict. At some stage they will willfully choose to give themselves over to the lusts of their flesh in violation of their conscience and engage themselves in pornography. Over time neuron pathways in the brain physically develop where gratification via pornography becomes all encompassing. It is similar with drug addiction among other things.
The bondage of sin can be extreme. Jesus Christ came to set us free from this bondage completely, He gave Himself for us to redeem us from all iniquity, purify us and make us zealous of doing the right thing. The salvation of God does not leave us in a state of bondage to sin, that would not be salvation at all and could hardly be termed "free indeed."
Joh 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
Joh 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
Joh 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
Jesus Christ came to set us free from the service or bondage to sin. Sinners are not born into bondage to sin, they sell themselves into it by choosing to sin and then their character and brains develop a natural disposition towards sinning. For example a pornography addict is not born a pornography addict. At some stage they will willfully choose to give themselves over to the lusts of their flesh in violation of their conscience and engage themselves in pornography. Over time neuron pathways in the brain physically develop where gratification via pornography becomes all encompassing. It is similar with drug addiction among other things.
The bondage of sin can be extreme. Jesus Christ came to set us free from this bondage completely, He gave Himself for us to redeem us from all iniquity, purify us and make us zealous of doing the right thing. The salvation of God does not leave us in a state of bondage to sin, that would not be salvation at all and could hardly be termed "free indeed."
Joh 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
Joh 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
Joh 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.