Salvation Not Possible Without Works
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This is not taught by the church, this is tought by another fralse gospel. that I can say a prayer and live any way I want.
You act as if a child of God would (actually could)do these things wihtout conviction and chastening of God and continue in them.
further proof you have no idea of what true faith, and what being a true child of God means.
You do not hate us, You do not know what we are. And until you do. You can not speak against us, Your speaking against the lie you have been shown, thats all
could you be specific when you say "church", please? which "church" tells everyone attending that stealing from their jobs, living blatantly in sexual immorality, partaking in the drug trade is okay and they are saved forever?
i hope you get specific on this. some evidence would be helpful.
More than 90 percent of the population of the Bahamas professes a religion, and anecdotal evidence suggests that most attend services regularly.[1] Religion in the Bahamas reflects the country's diversity.[1] Protestant Christian denominations including Baptists (35 percent), Anglicans (15 percent), Pentecostals (8 percent), Church of God (5 percent), Seventh-day Adventists (5 percent), and Methodists (4 percent) are in the majority, but there are also significant Roman Catholic (14 percent) and Greek Orthodox populations.[1]
also, since you're only 43, i doubt you've seen any such thing.
i hope you get specific on this. some evidence would be helpful.
More than 90 percent of the population of the Bahamas professes a religion, and anecdotal evidence suggests that most attend services regularly.[1] Religion in the Bahamas reflects the country's diversity.[1] Protestant Christian denominations including Baptists (35 percent), Anglicans (15 percent), Pentecostals (8 percent), Church of God (5 percent), Seventh-day Adventists (5 percent), and Methodists (4 percent) are in the majority, but there are also significant Roman Catholic (14 percent) and Greek Orthodox populations.[1]
also, since you're only 43, i doubt you've seen any such thing.
You keep using this phrase of "true faith" as if it is some litmus test. It is a litmus test of God at the end of every person's life. But not a single person starts out with true faith. Scripture is always speaking of believers, one who believes, and many believers do not endure to become true believers. Many believers fall away, and this is what scripture spends so much time explaining, warning, and gives examples of believers who left the fold.
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WRONG, there you go again, with your erroneous presuppositions about what we believe.
HONEST, your teachers taught you lies and errors about what we teach and believe.
Salvation was made available to all men as a gift; but it is not your possession if you do not receive it, or turn your back on it.
There are a multitude of reasons why many do not receive the free gift of Salvation,
One of the MAJOR ones is PRIDE, "I can do it myself, I will show you GOD."
Receiving that free Gift requires a broken, mourning spirit, literally
mourning over your own utter sinfulness,
and a willingness to cry out to GOD,
"I can't do it, please save me GOD."
Coming to that kind of broken humbleness is a hurdle that many cannot get over;
because they cling to their pride, wanting to DO IT THEMSELVES, never realizing
THEY CANNOT. I can't do it, are the most powerful words that I know, when it
comes to getting SAVED. As long as you are unwilling to surrender all to Jesus,
INCLUDING your vain efforts to SAVE yourself; you will fail to get over that last hurdle.
Let me point out a major flaw in your works righteousness theology, from the book of JAMES.
You pridefully point to:
James 2:20 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
AND then claim that proves we are to earn part of out Salvation, while ignoring:
James 2:18 (NKJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] But someone will say, "You have faith, and I have works."
Show me your faith without your works, and
I will show you my faith by my works.
AND failing to notice that JAMES is comparing false faith to true faith and clearly is stating
that the true faith will produce as evidence of it's genuineness, good works.
Okay, so you still want to continue to believe that you are earning part of your Salvation.
STAYING in the book of James, let's see what else James had to say about striving to establish your own righteousness.
James 2:10 (NIV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.
Now imagine, you have struggled your whole life to keep His commandments and do good works, and you are on your death bed dieing of a failing heart. The nurse comes in to give you a shot to make you more comfortable, and the needle stings more than you think it should, and without thinking you curse at her, take two more breaths and die. Using your favorite book of JAMES, that makes you guilty of breaking ALL OF THE LAW, without confessing it as sin.
ALL that work to earn your righteousness and Salvation, goes DOWN THE DRAIN. Where are you going then, Heaven or HELL? Like I said, it is a MAJOR FLAW in your theology. Every time you have one sin, no matter how small you see it, GOD SEES IT AS YOU BECOMING GUILTY OF BREAKING ALL OF HIS LAW.
When as we teach and believe, you CRY OUT TO GOD, "I can't live up to your Standards GOD, PLEASE SAVE ME THE SINNER. Come into my heart LORD and You live it through me, PLEASE!" (Luke 18:10-14) THEN you will soon realize that every time you do something good, it is CHRIST in you doing it, NOT SELF. HE GETS ALL THE GLORY, NOT SELF. You will be AMAZED at what you can do, when you LET THE LORD DO IT THROUGH YOU, NOT SELF. You want something that you alone can take full credit for, then take full credit for everything you do wrong, and for everything you fail to do right, and confess it all as SIN.
HONEST, your teachers taught you lies and errors about what we teach and believe.
Salvation was made available to all men as a gift; but it is not your possession if you do not receive it, or turn your back on it.
There are a multitude of reasons why many do not receive the free gift of Salvation,
One of the MAJOR ones is PRIDE, "I can do it myself, I will show you GOD."
Receiving that free Gift requires a broken, mourning spirit, literally
mourning over your own utter sinfulness,
and a willingness to cry out to GOD,
"I can't do it, please save me GOD."
Coming to that kind of broken humbleness is a hurdle that many cannot get over;
because they cling to their pride, wanting to DO IT THEMSELVES, never realizing
THEY CANNOT. I can't do it, are the most powerful words that I know, when it
comes to getting SAVED. As long as you are unwilling to surrender all to Jesus,
INCLUDING your vain efforts to SAVE yourself; you will fail to get over that last hurdle.
Let me point out a major flaw in your works righteousness theology, from the book of JAMES.
You pridefully point to:
James 2:20 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
AND then claim that proves we are to earn part of out Salvation, while ignoring:
James 2:18 (NKJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] But someone will say, "You have faith, and I have works."
Show me your faith without your works, and
I will show you my faith by my works.
AND failing to notice that JAMES is comparing false faith to true faith and clearly is stating
that the true faith will produce as evidence of it's genuineness, good works.
Okay, so you still want to continue to believe that you are earning part of your Salvation.
STAYING in the book of James, let's see what else James had to say about striving to establish your own righteousness.
James 2:10 (NIV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.
Now imagine, you have struggled your whole life to keep His commandments and do good works, and you are on your death bed dieing of a failing heart. The nurse comes in to give you a shot to make you more comfortable, and the needle stings more than you think it should, and without thinking you curse at her, take two more breaths and die. Using your favorite book of JAMES, that makes you guilty of breaking ALL OF THE LAW, without confessing it as sin.
ALL that work to earn your righteousness and Salvation, goes DOWN THE DRAIN. Where are you going then, Heaven or HELL? Like I said, it is a MAJOR FLAW in your theology. Every time you have one sin, no matter how small you see it, GOD SEES IT AS YOU BECOMING GUILTY OF BREAKING ALL OF HIS LAW.
When as we teach and believe, you CRY OUT TO GOD, "I can't live up to your Standards GOD, PLEASE SAVE ME THE SINNER. Come into my heart LORD and You live it through me, PLEASE!" (Luke 18:10-14) THEN you will soon realize that every time you do something good, it is CHRIST in you doing it, NOT SELF. HE GETS ALL THE GLORY, NOT SELF. You will be AMAZED at what you can do, when you LET THE LORD DO IT THROUGH YOU, NOT SELF. You want something that you alone can take full credit for, then take full credit for everything you do wrong, and for everything you fail to do right, and confess it all as SIN.
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As far as God is concerned, Jesus died for everyone. God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself.
It's not God's fault if people reject God's free gift if salvation.
When Jesus died, He went into the lower regions (Abrahams bosom) to preach the gospel to the old Testament saints.
So the OT saints and those who got and get saved during this dispensation, are born again by their own free choice.
It's not God's fault if people reject God's free gift if salvation.
When Jesus died, He went into the lower regions (Abrahams bosom) to preach the gospel to the old Testament saints.
So the OT saints and those who got and get saved during this dispensation, are born again by their own free choice.
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No God does.
Listen to God. who cares what I say, but if you will not believe God, you certainly will not believe me;
Yes, you keep saying this, And your still wrong. You can say it a millions times, and you would still be wrong.
The gift is offered to all me, No place does it say the gift was given (recieved) by all men.
You still do not know my theology, So all I can say is do not condemn what you do not know or understand, You make yourself look like a fool when you do this.
Listen to God. who cares what I say, but if you will not believe God, you certainly will not believe me;
Yes, you keep saying this, And your still wrong. You can say it a millions times, and you would still be wrong.
The gift is offered to all me, No place does it say the gift was given (recieved) by all men.
You still do not know my theology, So all I can say is do not condemn what you do not know or understand, You make yourself look like a fool when you do this.
So then why play God. Thousands of people started out as beleivers. They believed, took root, some were even fruitful, but then they fell away. If one falls away, obviously they no longer believe. Scripture states quite clearly that one cannot be saved without faith. Losing faith, is losing salvation the inheritance awaiting all those who are faithful.
The ONLY people you are actually speaking about are those a few moments before their death. Your theology has no reality in scripture, nor the reality of living it in time.
Your theology discredits the existence of sin in this world, the weaknesses of our fallen state, and that Satan can only work against those that are not his. Your theology essentially says none of these exist. Satan caused Adam to sin, he can influence you to sin and to revert to a habit of sin, it all depends on each individual. There is no guarantee for man in scripture that he can close his eyes to reality, and is saved as some point of belief and after that he does not need to care for his body or soul.
Salvation is all about becoming perfected. God does not declare anyone perfected upon believing. It is a work in progress. It is why and how He created man. We are doing the same thing as Adam, being perfected. He fell, surely you can as well. It is why we are called upon to check our faith, making sure we are still IN Christ, that we have not departed due to sin.
The ONLY people you are actually speaking about are those a few moments before their death. Your theology has no reality in scripture, nor the reality of living it in time.
Your theology discredits the existence of sin in this world, the weaknesses of our fallen state, and that Satan can only work against those that are not his. Your theology essentially says none of these exist. Satan caused Adam to sin, he can influence you to sin and to revert to a habit of sin, it all depends on each individual. There is no guarantee for man in scripture that he can close his eyes to reality, and is saved as some point of belief and after that he does not need to care for his body or soul.
Salvation is all about becoming perfected. God does not declare anyone perfected upon believing. It is a work in progress. It is why and how He created man. We are doing the same thing as Adam, being perfected. He fell, surely you can as well. It is why we are called upon to check our faith, making sure we are still IN Christ, that we have not departed due to sin.
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Who said I am. Your the one playing God..
Belief is not faith, Yes many believe, But since their belief was not faith, it did not stick, and they fell away.
they did not fall away from salvation, they fell away from their belief, because their belief was not true faith.
This makes no sense.
1 Satan did not cause adam to sin, Adam did
2. My believe does not discount sin, On the contrary, your faith discounts the penalty of sin, You can work your way out of the penalty and be set free.
3. My faith says their is sin in the world. The penalty of sin is death, the GIFT of God is life.
You make Gods gift of life something which is to be earned, thus discounting the penalty of sin, which is death.
ONLY death can redeem sin,
Belief is not faith, Yes many believe, But since their belief was not faith, it did not stick, and they fell away.
they did not fall away from salvation, they fell away from their belief, because their belief was not true faith.
This makes no sense.
1 Satan did not cause adam to sin, Adam did
2. My believe does not discount sin, On the contrary, your faith discounts the penalty of sin, You can work your way out of the penalty and be set free.
3. My faith says their is sin in the world. The penalty of sin is death, the GIFT of God is life.
You make Gods gift of life something which is to be earned, thus discounting the penalty of sin, which is death.
ONLY death can redeem sin,