Fornication & Adultery are abominations! If you support them, you're not a Christian!

[shrimp]

Re: Fornication & Adultery are abominations! If you support them, you're not a Christ

The eyes and ears are gates to the heart and soul. my husband and I purged our home of things like that (movies filled with sin, etc.) for the very reason of keeping our minds and hearts chaste before God and to keep our daughter from being indoctrinated by all that folly integrated into our entertainment. In this manner I can tell her that human life is more than seeking other's approval and being sexual. Not only that but it keeps me and my husband from falling into that trap as well.

You can pretend all you want that the problem isn't there, but that will never change the fact that it is. As Christians, we are expected to act different. What kind of message are you sending to the backslider or lost soul when you quote a scene from a popular movie that has two unmarried people living together, or has witchcraft? Can you live with the probability that what you said told that person or persons, filled with misery at life, that God does not make things better after repentance and therefor they reject God?

You don't know a person's heart, I don't know a person's heart, that is why we need to be Holy as God is Holy. It's not about achieving salvation through works, It's showing the world God's culture.

 

[SarahM777]

Re: Fornication & Adultery are abominations! If you support them, you're not a Christ

Why have I not seen anything right here?

I would first like to point out that the OP's attitude is not bad. So for those who are so easily offended by the "harshness" of the words the OP used, then you must also be offended to read about John the Baptist and many other prophets. If you are the kind of Christian that will only hear things if you are patted on the back, then you might miss some good information.

But on that point, I do not believe the OP has good information. The Lord has expressed that it is what comes out of us, not what goes in us, that defines who we are. I understand that you are trying to make a good defense for homosexuals so that they do not feel like they are being hated and persecuted alone, so that they understand that it is their actions we are against and not them as human beings. I agree with your intent here, but I do not agree with your claim to righteousness.

Now there is marriage before the Lord and there is a legal marriage. You realize that Israel was bonded to the Lord before Jesus Christ? And how they had the Holy Spirit given to them as well? And then we are married to the Lord through Jesus Christ. Right now is the wedding feast. And John the Baptist was the bridegroom's friend, so we have proof of that.

Now there is absolutely not one word in the Bible about having to have a legal document about getting married. For the Lord said that when flesh comes together, therein is marriage. Hence why homosexuality is a sin without the need for a legal document to make it sin!

What gets missed in all of this is the HYPOCRISY. It is far to easy to pick the one or two sins that MOST people will never be involved in. "Those people are especially UNCLEAN. They are MORE wicked then what I have ever done." "They are WORSE sinners then I am" Yet many other sins which ARE FAR MORE COMMON and socially ACCEPTABLE are swept UNDER the table. Like gossip. Which is false witness against your neighbor,and is a LIE and GOD HATES LIES. Yet how often is it ever preached on? By the way LIARS will NOT enter the kingdom of heaven EITHER.

 

[Nautilus]

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The eyes and ears are gates to the heart and soul. my husband and I purged our home of things like that (movies filled with sin, etc.) for the very reason of keeping our minds and hearts chaste before God and to keep our daughter from being indoctrinated by all that folly integrated into our entertainment. In this manner I can tell her that human life is more than seeking other's approval and being sexual. Not only that but it keeps me and my husband from falling into that trap as well.

You can pretend all you want that the problem isn't there, but that will never change the fact that it is. As Christians, we are expected to act different. What kind of message are you sending to the backslider or lost soul when you quote a scene from a popular movie that has two unmarried people living together, or has witchcraft? Can you live with the probability that what you said told that person or persons, filled with misery at life, that God does not make things better after repentance and therefor they reject God?

You don't know a person's heart, I don't know a person's heart, that is why we need to be Holy as God is Holy. It's not about achieving salvation through works, It's showing the world God's culture.

yep i quoted that one line from oh lets say Iron Man 3....guess i crushed that person's chance of salvation...or you are being irrational and a bit too strict. I mean seriously, so yeah adultery and fornication are wrong, but to just try to block out the world as some waannabe holy attempt to set yourself apart? Not the best idea.

 

[Von]

Re: Fornication & Adultery are abominations! If you support them, you're not a Christ

In response to the "homosexuality" thread, here's this one. You may say to yourself, "well, I don't participate in that behavior, so that doesn't apply to me." Oh, really? How many of you have "Christian" friends who have slept together before marriage or co-habitated before marriage? (BTW, that USED to be called "living in sin.") Did you called them out on it or did you quietly shake your head and say nothing?

And how many of you watch TV shows that promote this behavior? Or movies? If you watch that stuff, you tacetly promote that behavior.

Fornication and adultery have become "normalized" in today's culture. But we can fight culture by leading pure lives.

This is one of the things I have been thinking about lately. I feel that I have to stop watching things that turn sin into entertainment.

It's hard because almost all of my favorite shows have something that I shouln't be watching..
Breaking Bad - drugs, sex before marriage, murder, lying, adultery, violence
Mad Men - adultery, lying, sex before marriage
Friends - sex before marriage, lying, porn is awesome, 3some is awesome, strippers are great, nothing wrong with being a lesbian
That 70's show - sex before marriage, lying, weed is awesome
Desperate Housewives - sex before marriage, lust, adultery is hot and fun, lying, murder

It's hard finding good tv-shows and movies that don't have any of that :/ Any ideas?

 

[Hungry]

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Most people who declare themselves Christians could care less what pleases God. We all lack a proper reverence for an Almighty King and His Son who poured out His glory to be a sin sacrifice for us. Too many believers keep rereading "you are forgiven" and ignore "deny yourselves, take up your cross and follow me". None of us has, nor will have an understanding about how truly awesome God is. If we did we would have no choice but to shout out to the whole world that you know Him and He loves you. If anybody was stuck in an elevator with Tom Cruise they would be famous overnight. Reporters would be lined up to interview them. It would be their facebook status for years. Whenever they met a new crowd of people that would be the story they would tell. However, when we get adopted by the Creator of the Universe and will receive an inheritance with Christ because we believe, THAT we are afraid to share with our best friends because we don't want them to think we are weird. This is my point (finally), most of us can quote more movie scripts than Bible scripture. Our love is for entertainment and comfort. God knows if you have declared Jesus Lord, and are forgiven or follow your own desires and will be forgotten. A true follower of Christ knows what is righteous and ACTS on it. God says, "Be holy, because I am holy."

 

[shrimp]

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This is one of the things I have been thinking about lately. I feel that I have to stop watching things that turn sin into entertainment.

It's hard because almost all of my favorite shows have something that I shouln't be watching..
Breaking Bad - drugs, sex before marriage, murder, lying, adultery, violence
Mad Men - adultery, lying, sex before marriage
Friends - sex before marriage, lying, porn is awesome, 3some is awesome, strippers are great, nothing wrong with being a lesbian
That 70's show - sex before marriage, lying, weed is awesome
Desperate Housewives - sex before marriage, lust, adultery is hot and fun, lying, murder

It's hard finding good tv-shows and movies that don't have any of that :/ Any ideas?

I don't think my husband and I have THE answer to this but we started watching inspirational movies. WWJD, FireProof, ect. As for shows we watch Duck Dynasty. However, lately I've been questioning just how Biblically grounded the Robertsons are due to some of their actions on the show. The only one that is seemingly firm is Phil.

I don't know. At my church, most of the members don't even watch tv. I can understand why. But I was raised in front of a tv so it's harder to let go of those movies and shows I used to watch.

 

[cinder]

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Just to be a stickler.

Abomination is not a word used to describe fornication or adultery ( which I do agree are sins) in the Bible. Abomination is used (primarily in the OT) to describe homosexual activity and the other following things:

other gods / idols (worshiping them, making them, their statues, and the precious metal from their statues)
animals forbidden to be eaten as food
cross dressing
child sacrifice
divination, witchcraft, and other forms of occultic activity
earnings from prostitution offered as payment for a vow to God
getting remarried with your first spouse after one of you has had a second marriage
cheating people by using two different weights or measuring cups (like a 12 oz pound vs a 16 oz pound)

and finally from Proverbs

These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:

A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.


I hope we are all clear on our abominations now. ( I ran a search on blue letter bible KJV to compile this list if anyone wants to check my work)

 

[Nautilus]

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I don't think my husband and I have THE answer to this but we started watching inspirational movies. WWJD, FireProof, ect. As for shows we watch Duck Dynasty. However, lately I've been questioning just how Biblically grounded the Robertsons are due to some of their actions on the show. The only one that is seemingly firm is Phil.

I don't know. At my church, most of the members don't even watch tv. I can understand why. But I was raised in front of a tv so it's harder to let go of those movies and shows I used to watch.

Out of curiosity what type of church do you go to?

 

[shrimp]

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Out of curiosity what type of church do you go to?

Oh yeah. I sure it is "curiousity". But I'll bite. Apostolic Pentecostal.

 

[santuzza]

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Nautilus -- think on this verse:

Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. - Phil 4:8

According to Paul, we should set our minds on things above, not on things below. Yes, being too much in the world can DEFINITELY be a bad witness.

Many at my church don't watch TV as well, and to satisfy your curiosity, I attend a Bible church.

 

[Tintin]

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A Bible church? I would hope that all churches were Bible churches!

 

[Nautilus]

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Oh yeah. I sure it is "curiousity". But I'll bite. Apostolic Pentecostal.

So I'm assuming this means you're all speaking in tongues and could categorize this as a charismatic church?

 

[Ecclesiastik]

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I guess by watching things in my home...alone...for free...Im somehow promoting this...oh well

You mean stealing?

 

[Ecclesiastik]

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"Are the things you are living for worth Christ dying for?" -Leonard Ravenhil

 

[shrimp]

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So I'm assuming this means you're all speaking in tongues and could categorize this as a charismatic church?

That's a negatory. Not all are speaking in tongues, but the majority are. There is a difference between charismatic and Pentecostal. I would ask that you look it up yourself. I did, it only took a few seconds.

 

[Hungry]

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In all honesty awhile back I used to look forward to a little raunch in the movies I was watching and had no problem with shows on HBO. Not because I was told at church, and not because of any outside influence, I just started to feel conflicted. The Holy Spirit is very real and does communicate with us. Scripture was entering my thoughts and made me aware my choices were not God honouring. The more I hunger and thirst for righteousness, the less appealing are the temptations of this world. Now it is so uncommon for me to watch provocative programming, it makes me want to turn it off or fast forward some scenes.

 

[Ecclesiastik]

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It worries me whenever someone says: "Hey guys, I'm seriously worried that we aren't focusing enough on Jesus Christ and instead on worldly stuff" the crowds respond by shouting "Legalist! Pharisee! Show me in the Bible where it says I can't do etc etc!"

One preacher once said something amongst the lines of: If a runner was running with a big boulder and someone approached them and said 'Hey, you know you shouldn't be running with that if you want to win' and the runner responded 'Show me in the rulebook where it says I can't run with my boulder!' You probably would think that runner wasn't very serious about running.
How serious are we about following Jesus Christ? Not everything that we need to get rid of in our lives is a straight up sin, but we need to lay aside the weights that are hindering our run. Another famous pastor said that the lives of the saints and shining examples of Christians are strewn with weights that had been cast off. If something is questionable that you are holding on to that has no positive spiritual value, then why are you holding on to it? Another famous preacher, J.C. Ryle, once said "Say nothing that you would not want God to hear, Read nothing you would not want God to say 'Show it to Me!', do nothing that you would not want God to inquire 'What are you doing?' " Live as if God is truly God and not someone who only sees you when you want Him to.

"Therefore, since we have so great a cloud of witnesses surrounding us, let us also lay aside every encumbrance and the sin which so easily entangles us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith." Hebrews 12:1-2

 

[Tintin]

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No, no, I agree. I just think the OP could be more loving in the way they call for correction. Also, it's best to avoid the whole as US versus THEM mentality between brothers and sisters in Christ.

 

[santuzza]

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Sadly, Tintin, not all churches are Bible churches. There are plenty of churches out there that don't acknowledge the inerrancy of the Bible, or make other writings as important (or even more important) than the Bible.

But what I mean by a Bible church is a church that is non-denominational where all teaching is directly from the Bible. They are not affiliated in anyway, but you can find a "Bible church" in most US towns.

 

[Tintin]

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Sadly, Tintin, not all churches are Bible churches. There are plenty of churches out there that don't acknowledge the inerrancy of the Bible, or make other writings as important (or even more important) than the Bible.

But what I mean by a Bible church is a church that is non-denominational where all teaching is directly from the Bible. They are not affiliated in anyway, but you can find a "Bible church" in most US towns.

Hmm... Okay, but realistically non-denominational churches are pretty much a denomination in and of themselves. I'm Lutheran Missouri Synod but in Australia we're far more conservative than our US counterparts. We teaching directly from the Bible. No compromise when comes to standing for God's Truth.