Salvation Not Possible Without Works

[homwardbound]

Those that are "led by the Spirit" are those that read the Bible of which is the Spirit witnessing Jesus, those that are "led by the Spirit of God" follow the teachings of Jesus, not self imposed religion.

Colossians 2:21-23 (NKJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP]"Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle," [SUP]22 [/SUP]which all concern things which perish with the using--according to the commandments and doctrines of men? [SUP]23 [/SUP]These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.

Which shows truth that works do not save, God does and God alone does through Son Christ our:

• Romans 3:25 whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
  Romans 3:24-26 (in Context) Romans 3 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
• 1 John 2:2 and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
  1 John 2:1-3 (in Context) 1 John 2 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
• 1 John 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

 

[homwardbound]

I am not sure where you are going with this or what point your trying to make, but the "done deal" you speak of was not a "done deal" until their father died.

And so since Father who never died, and Son did it is not done? Is this what you are referring to?
A yes or no answer is sufficient for me the same as God's grace is.

 

[homwardbound]

You teaching a catholic? ill go no farther as it says:

 Matthew 15:14 (NKJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch."

And so you are not, this includes me, do we all know all, or is Father through Son the only ones?
Could you be wrong? As well as I could being in unredeemed flesh as well as you right or wrong?

 

[homwardbound]

Present tense, active, continuing again. There is NO Future in these words. They must continue, if they don't continue, one is obviosly not being led by the Spirit.
You cannot change the meaning of scripture. You cannot change history. You have lost on two counts from the beginning. You are teaching pure Anselmian atonement, and Luther's notion of faith only. Two man made imposed theories upon scripture. What can I say, you blowing in the wind.

Standing in Faith is the continuing as a mighty Oak Tree is for it stood its ground from a small nut against the winds, like a man who built his house on what, one fell and the other did not
Christ is my house, do you agree is Christ your house your foundation, and do we not all build on our foundation, are you using stubble, hay or Gold and silver
If you were to be set on fire right now from the Holy Spirit of God would you burn up, and learn purification?
For one comes after me, I John baptize with water for repentance, but the one after with the Holy Spirit and with fire

Fires purpose to burn out our flesh dross and and be alive to Father in Spirit and truth, is this true or false?

 

[homwardbound]

The lost cannot save the lost.

Flesh can't save anyone, only Father through Son can. Or else why did they have to wait (the Disciples) for the Spirit of God from on high. they were already saved from Father's view were they not, even though not yet born again

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Luke 18:42 And Jesus said unto him, Receive thy sight: thy faith hath saved thee.
Luke 7:50 And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace

Are we listening?

 

[homwardbound]

If they continue to sin willfully, as mailmandan described above, and do not truly repent of that sin, they will be lost.

[h=3]Romans 7:14-20[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]14 [/SUP]For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. [SUP]15 [/SUP]For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. [SUP]16 [/SUP]If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. [SUP]17 [/SUP]Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. [SUP]18 [/SUP]For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. [SUP]19 [/SUP]For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.


[h=3]Romans 7:24-25[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]24 [/SUP]O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? [SUP]25 [/SUP]I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin and death

 

[homwardbound]

So now you're back to it being all God, so if anyone is not or does not get saved, it is His or His Holy Spirit that is at fault.

You see, you guys can't have it both ways. You just can't see that by the Grace of God, (not because we deserve it) Jesus did what we could not, but He will NOT obey His own Laws FOR YOU, that part is on us, it is the part of "excepting" Him. AKA "believing on Him".

Twister, right hand on green, careful don't fall

 

[homwardbound]

If a child willfully disobeys his/her parents does this mean that they don't believe in their parents? Does it mean that their parents no longer love them or will not discipline? Of course not. Our days are numbered and if your name is written in the book of life it will not be erased. Conversely, if your name is not in the book of life it will not be added. You guys are arguing that which you do not know.....who God has predestined to be saved. I'm pretty sure that's why it tells us to work out OUR OWN salvation with fear and trembling.

And brother what does the next verse read? Phil. 2:13, you quoted 2:12

 

[homwardbound]

Oh and he speaks. My whole life right now is me thinking about God's work in my life and how I've come to a place where I'm in solitude, it makes me sad, and I've worked hard in reading about why God does not spare the rod. This is for me and has come done on me by my Father who is chastening me. I need the faith of Paul right now. Yes, evil hates glory. I've said some prayers for my deliverance today as well. Thanks for your words, I love coming here and learning. I need it.

I do as well Sister I well. thanks and am glad to here you are growing in Grace

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If want I have a blog sight Father has put on me to write, started over two years ago now, and might be fruitful for you,
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[Sirk]

And brother what does the next verse read? Phil. 2:13, you quoted 2:12

For it is God who works in you to will and to act according to fulfill His good purpose.

 

[Jabberjaw]

So now you're back to it being all God, so if anyone is not or does not get saved, it is His or His Holy Spirit that is at fault.

You see, you guys can't have it both ways. You just can't see that by the Grace of God, (not because we deserve it) Jesus did what we could not, but He will NOT obey His own Laws FOR YOU, that part is on us, it is the part of "excepting" Him. AKA "believing on Him".

Twister, right hand on green, careful don't fall

Now see? you know when you're backed into a corner, you can only call names.

 

[Sirk]

Now see? you know when you're backed into a corner, you can only call names.

R.C. Sproul says, "We ask about being fair. I don't think God owes it to anyone who doesn't want Christ to give them the desire to want what they need. He doesn't owe that to anybody. The problem is that if God does it for some, why doesn't He do it for all? I can only say to you that I have no idea why He doesn't do it for all. But this I do know and ask you to think about carefully: Just because He does it for some in no way requires that He do it for everybody else--because grace is never required. God always reserves this prerogative 'I will have mercy upon whom I will have mercy.' It's not up to us to direct God's mercy."

In other words "who are you clay, to question what your maker molds you to be?

 

[Jabberjaw]

R.C. Sproul says, "We ask about being fair. I don't think God owes it to anyone who doesn't want Christ to give them the desire to want what they need. He doesn't owe that to anybody. The problem is that if God does it for some, why doesn't He do it for all?

God does the same for all men, God did not predestine anyone, "all" are offered the free gift, but not all will be obedient to receive it.

I can only say to you that I have no idea why He doesn't do it for all. But this I do know and ask you to think about carefully: Just because He does it for some in no way requires that He do it for everybody else--because grace is never required. God always reserves this prerogative 'I will have mercy upon whom I will have mercy.' It's not up to us to direct God's mercy."

In other words "who are you clay, to question what your maker molds you to be?

What is it that he did for some that he didn't do for others?

1 Timothy 2:3-4 (NKJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, [SUP]4 [/SUP]who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

 

[posthuman]

What is it that he did for some that he didn't do for others?

i doubt this is the first time in 137 pages this has been quoted, but:

But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, "Why have you made me like this?"
Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use?
What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,
in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory--
even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles?
(Romans 9:20-24)

who am i to tell God He's unfair? is post's judgement more righteous than God's?
shall we all vote? is democracy found anywhere in the scripture? no, but kingship. so let the King set forth His decrees, and we will abide by them, or face His wrath -- is that not the truth?
is Paul so hard to understand, or just so hard to accept?

 

[Charlie4god]

Seabass it sounds like your saying faith itself is a work. Which is totally true. God works in us through our faith.If we dont know God is our provider how will he provide? If we dont know he is our healer how will he heal us? He relates to us as personally as we let him.

 

[VCO]

I don't understand why it's so difficult for people to understand that kingdom work is but a symptom of a relationship with Christ that is made right thru work that Christ has already done. All the work is DONE. it is out of grateful obedience that the saved sinner serves the master.

The desires of the flesh include wanting to personally get credit for earning part of their Salvation, so that they can pat themselves on the back. The complete lack of any semblance of an eternally alive human spirit that is humble and battling against those desires of the flesh, leads me to conclude they have settled for a counterfeit of Christianity that is focused on SELF, instead of Lovingly submitting to the Lordship of Jesus Christ and Giving HIM full credit for our salvation.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Once again Matthew 25:33-46 is a picture of people in front of the judgment seat.

What does Jesus say, He tells the ones who did not do for others ( good works ), depart from Me and take your place in eternal judgment.

 

[Cassian]

Once again Matthew 25:33-46 is a picture of people in front of the judgment seat.

What does Jesus say, He tells the ones who did not do for others ( good works ), depart from Me and take your place in eternal judgment.

I think that Mark 8:18, Heb 5:11-14, Rev 3:22 are fitting as well.

 

[VCO]

Oh and he speaks. My whole life right now is me thinking about God's work in my life and how I've come to a place where I'm in solitude, it makes me sad, and I've worked hard in reading about why God does not spare the rod. This is for me and has come done on me by my Father who is chastening me. I need the faith of Paul right now. Yes, evil hates glory. I've said some prayers for my deliverance today as well. Thanks for your words, I love coming here and learning. I need it.

Let me share a bit of my testimony to encourage you. I used to be caught up in the party-hardy lifestyle before I got saved. At a party one night I met woman that seemed to care about me, and we hit it off. We went through a whirlwind romance, and six months later we were getting married, and six months after that she demanded a divorce on Christmas Eve, no less. Telling me that she wanted a divorce because I could not earn enough money to buy her what she wanted in life. What a reason! I hit bottom BIG TIME, and the following week, I attempted suicide three times. After that third attempt, something in me BROKE, (I think it was the pride of running my own life, my own way.); and I found myself on my knees in my bedroom weeping like a baby, crying out for forgiveness, and surrendering complete control of my life to JESUS.

I knew from the beginning that HE was really going to do something in my life, and even TRUSTED that HE would bring the woman into my life that HE WANTED ME TO MARRY, my soul mate. I noticed when I started studying the WORD, via a radio Program called "GRACE TO YOU", my new living human spirit in me, started growing LEAPS AND BOUNDS. Then one night about 10 months later, it happened. A mutual friend introduced me to my soul mate. I knew from the very first night, she was who GOD had for me. Her spirit was ministering to my spirit, and my spirit was ministering to hers. It was like we had known each other our whole lives, but we had just met. We have been married very happily now for 34 years, and have continually grown spiritually together, and more and more in love.

 

[VCO]

So now you're back to it being all God, so if anyone is not or does not get saved, it is His or His Holy Spirit that is at fault.

You see, you guys can't have it both ways. You just can't see that by the Grace of God, (not because we deserve it) Jesus did what we could not, but He will NOT obey His own Laws FOR YOU, that part is on us, it is the part of "excepting" Him. AKA "believing on Him".

Romans 1:20-22 (HCSB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] For His invisible attributes, that is, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen since the creation of the world, being understood through what He has made. As a result, people are without excuse.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] For though they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God or show gratitude. Instead, their thinking became nonsense, and their senseless minds were darkened.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Claiming to be wise, they became fools