Salvation Not Possible Without Works

[homwardbound]

Seabass it sounds like your saying faith itself is a work. Which is totally true. God works in us through our faith.If we dont know God is our provider how will he provide? If we dont know he is our healer how will he heal us? He relates to us as personally as we let him.

There is a work involved and that is to enter his rest in Hebrews 3 and 4 reveals this if God permits Brother to be shown, praying it is shown to you and all, and welcome to Cc

 

[homwardbound]

Once again Matthew 25:33-46 is a picture of people in front of the judgment seat.

What does Jesus say, He tells the ones who did not do for others ( good works ), depart from Me and take your place in eternal judgment.

How can anyone separate works from Faith. True Faith produces true works, and these type are not mine they are God's alone
We the creation are nothing more than vessels as a water glass is a vessel to us to be used whenever I decide to use that water glass, it is the same for God to do this with me Father's water glass
Hope you are listening

 

[homwardbound]

Let me share a bit of my testimony to encourage you. I used to be caught up in the party-hardy lifestyle before I got saved. At a party one night I met woman that seemed to care about me, and we hit it off. We went through a whirlwind romance, and six months later we were getting married, and six months after that she demanded a divorce on Christmas Eve, no less. Telling me that she wanted a divorce because I could not earn enough money to buy her what she wanted in life. What a reason! I hit bottom BIG TIME, and the following week, I attempted suicide three times. After that third attempt, something in me BROKE, (I think it was the pride of running my own life, my own way.); and I found myself on my knees in my bedroom weeping like a baby, crying out for forgiveness, and surrendering complete control of my life to JESUS.

I knew from the beginning that HE was really going to do something in my life, and even TRUSTED that HE would bring the woman into my life that HE WANTED ME TO MARRY, my soul mate. I noticed when I started studying the WORD, via a radio Program called "GRACE TO YOU", my new living human spirit in me, started growing LEAPS AND BOUNDS. Then one night about 10 months later, it happened. A mutual friend introduced me to my soul mate. I knew from the very first night, she was who GOD had for me. Her spirit was ministering to my spirit, and my spirit was ministering to hers. It was like we had known each other our whole lives, but we had just met. We have been married very happily now for 34 years, and have continually grown spiritually together, and more and more in love.

Thanks, my story very similar and now it was 3i years for me, and only knew each other two weeks, for some reason we both knew we knew each other all our life's before

 

[homwardbound]

Very good testimony. We all have our personal tribulations we must face. It is for our personal growth to make us better, and some hold true and come through them. God works in His own time, not in ours so He does not spare the rod because He wants to correct us and keep us on the right path.

Yep, so Father is Faithful and will do what Father started in the one's that chose to beleive then right?

 

[homwardbound]

Thank you for sharing that. And I can relate. I haven't had a good relationship thus far, they were always a source of pain, and even when they seemed good I was always, always feeling as if something was missing.

I now realize that I was missing out on a relationship with God, and that it was him that I always needed and was searching for. It's gotten to a point that when I try and do anything in life, unless it is good for me it fails, and the lessons are getting more and more clear. I think I had to come to this place where my sight is only on him and my salvation. I don't want to be the one who doesn't have oil for the lamp. He knows that, so I've taken my lumps and I've learned to be grateful for them.

I'm so happy God has given you a great blessing. He has more in store for us, for sure.

Yes Danalee, in him, your oil lamp is filled, for Christ is the light that kept the first chosen lamp lit, after it was out of oil and physically should not have been, as he walked here on earth he told them this, and they still did not belief him, I do as yuo too. Your lamp by him is filled, stand fast in the Faith (belief) no mater what God plain and simple does just love you, and just keep responding in thanksgiving and praise to Father for this through Son

It is when we stop praising and being thankful that our old self flesh rises from the dead and tries to take back over through the cares of this world, in saying you are not good enough
i answer thank you I know I am not, that is praise to evil, that always kills evil, whenever it tries to raise its ugly head
Read the story of King Jehoshaphat where the three armies that were coming against Father's first Chosen and they were in belief to Father in what to do
And what did he do, he sent out the praise and worship band in the front as saying victory before any weapons were drawn by the First chosen ever
And these three armies in confusion over praise and worship killed each other
So every day do this as you already are this past tense, where as King David saw this in this verse as in the future, we today are looking back in glory it is done:
Psalm 100:4 Enter into his gates with thanksgiving, and into his courts with praise: be thankful unto him, and bless his name.

 

[homwardbound]

I do have one last question before, go on to another thread.

What denomination do are you affiliated with?

Many of your replies seem to come straight out of Mormon Theology who are taught they have to continually work to earn the right to be not only Saved, but also to become gods ruling their own universe.

I don't think I replied to your statement above.

I don't believe we are saved finitely; I BELIEVE HE SAVED US INFINITELY, COMPLETELY, AND ETERNALLY, AND THEN AS OUR HIGH PRIEST HE SAT DOWN, SIGNIFYING THAT HIS WORK AS HIGH PRIEST IS COMPLETELY FINISHED FOR ALL TIME. The High Priests in the Jewish Temple NEVER sat down in the Temple, because their work was never done, hence there were no chairs in the earthly temple.

I am not sure, but I think Calvinist is Cassians denomination. waiting as well to hear and is okay with me, we all have free choice, and I think we all want to be worry free and relieved of stress that certainty does not add one moment to anyone's life. Not many seeing in Christ this worry, stressed life is taken out of the way and we whistle today as we work, whether we like it or not, because we know all our treasures are in Heaven safe and secure form the thief

 

[homwardbound]

You may hold to two, but scripture has ONLY ONE judgement of all men, Rev 20:13.

Are you safe in Christ, just asking?

 

[homwardbound]

All these scripture and how you have twisted them, no man was predestined, not one... what was predestined was the Church, these verses refer to the church and those in it.

If I have a barbeque, and I say "all can come", the barbeque is predestined, and I know everyone that does come will have a barbeque, and I do know some will not come, the barbeque was "predestined" and not those that were invited.

Your teachings are not biblical, your salvation is not eternally secure until you're dead, Jesus will not obey his Gospel for you.

I belong to the Lords church...

Jabber Jaw, interesting point here
The wedding feast is predestined, and only those that beleive will come, yet all have been invited. The first chosen did not believe and Father reached out to the Gentile and has gone into the highways and bi ways inviting them to the wedding feast
I have RSVP'D and this looks as if you have too, praying so
Love to all as Hoffco says, for God does have love to us all does he not?

 

[homwardbound]

Actually your quote is more reflective toward you, as if you knew God, you would "obey" God. Your problem is with obedience.

Is anyone's obedience perfect outside of Christ's?

2 Corinthians 10:6 and having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.

 

[homwardbound]

Once again, man's doctrines have created a lot of new ideas for scripture. II Cor 5:10 is refering to the Great Judgement of Rev 20:13. Where ALL the dead will be raised, ALL the books opened and EVERY man will give an account of what He did with Christ.

Will all works of the flesh burn up there? I am talking about self motivated ones, for one's own gain, whatever that gain might be?

 

[homwardbound]

Once again, man's doctrines have created a lot of new ideas for scripture. II Cor 5:10 is refering to the Great Judgement of Rev 20:13. Where ALL the dead will be raised, ALL the books opened and EVERY man will give an account of what He did with Christ.

I am ready praying you and all are ready as well

 

[VCO]

I am not sure, but I think Calvinist is Cassians denomination. waiting as well to hear and is okay with me, we all have free choice, and I think we all want to be worry free and relieved of stress that certainty does not add one moment to anyone's life. Not many seeing in Christ this worry, stressed life is taken out of the way and we whistle today as we work, whether we like it or not, because we know all our treasures are in Heaven safe and secure form the thief

LOL, I don't think he is close to a Calvinist even. I don't qualify for the label Calvinist because I don't believe in two of the 5 points of Calvinism. And the Arminians would disown me because I do agree with three of the 5 points of Calvinism.

I guess I will just have to be satisfied with remaining a Non-denominational Conservative Evangelical, LOL. Or just a plain Born Again Christian, .

 

[homwardbound]

You don't think Christ established a Church on this earth? Is the Church at Jerusalem, Antioch, Ephesus, Corinth, etc just myths? You don't believe Christ's Church still exists?

Yes Brother it sure does exist, but not on or of this earth, for Christ's kingdom is not of this earth

[h=3]Hebrews 8[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

8 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; [SUP]2 [/SUP]a minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

Where is the true Tabernacle?

 

[VCO]

Is anyone's obedience perfect outside of Christ's?

2 Corinthians 10:6 and having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.

Did you notice that those two are disobedient to this command:

Hebrews 10:24-25 (HCSB)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] And let us be concerned about one another in order to promote love and good works,
[SUP]25 [/SUP] not staying away from our ⌊worship⌋ meetings, as some habitually do, but encouraging each other, and all the more as you see the day drawing near.

 

[homwardbound]

LOL, I don't think he is close to a Calvinist even. I don't qualify for the label Calvinist because I don't believe in two of the 5 points of Calvinism. And the Arminians would disown me because I do agree with three of the 5 points of Calvinism.

I guess I will just have to be satisfied with remaining a Non-denominational Conservative Evangelical, LOL. Or just a plain Born Again Christian, .

With you Brother I do believe in the five fold ministry, in the manifestation from Father through Son though!~!!!!!

It was were Jesus closed his five fingers into a fist (fivefold ministry) and one hit; did a TKO to the devil. And freed all that believe those that God has agreed to freeing knowing their motives to free them or not

God does have Mercy for all, yet many still need to go through things like King Nebuchadnezzar did to see God is all in all, and worship God in Spirit and truth, and it is God who knows who does and who does not, I personally am at rest in that, knowing this:
Romans 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

 

[homwardbound]

Faith = as I got this from another person here on CC,
F orwarding
A ll
I ssues
T o
H eaven

the ones I had for years prior to seeing that one was and is still

F-orever
A-ble
I-n
T-he
H-eavens

 

[homwardbound]

Did you notice that those two are disobedient to this command:

Hebrews 10:24-25 (HCSB)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] And let us be concerned about one another in order to promote love and good works,
[SUP]25 [/SUP] not staying away from our ⌊worship⌋ meetings, as some habitually do, but encouraging each other, and all the more as you see the day drawing near.

I do not attend a worship service per-say, normally yet have for the last three weeks, and have learned much from the lead Pastor there, and am in appreciation for this,
Yet I belong to Father in Heaven and am a member of Father by Faith in Son Jesus Christ's finished work not only for me yet for all the world if one will stop to see truth over error, we are forgiven and it was not done to use Christ as one's escape goat to do wrong to anyone ever
Time maybe to read why Paul wrote to the Corinthians, because that is what they were doing, taking God for granted and were misusing this grace given to them, and as many have read, eating up all the dinner and drinking all the wine, and having sex with whomever they chose, invited the Brothel down into them and they got on the pulpit and preached we are forgiven and so we can just do whatever we want
That was a total misuse of truth, and they were carnal and needed meat to become mature in thanking and praising considering neighbor and having compassion to neighbor you think
praying those with spiritual ears are hearing

 

[homwardbound]

Did you notice that those two are disobedient to this command:

Hebrews 10:24-25 (HCSB)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] And let us be concerned about one another in order to promote love and good works,
[SUP]25 [/SUP] not staying away from our ⌊worship⌋ meetings, as some habitually do, but encouraging each other, and all the more as you see the day drawing near.

Yes even me whenever I do not do this below, I see my flesh has again deceived me:
Luke 6:32 For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them

Which why I agree with Paul and Father to die daily to self daily and be alive daily, seeing this as Paul saw

Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

this as I see can only be done by believing God or is there another way?

 

[Jabberjaw]

Is anyone's obedience perfect outside of Christ's?

2 Corinthians 10:6 and having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.

Obedience is required to get "into Christ", baptism is a requirement :

Romans 6:3 (NKJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?

 

[kennethcadwell]

Right now Christ's kingdom is a spiritual kingdom and He is the high priest. When He returns it will be to go from the spiritual priestly kingdom to a physical kingship on earth. As for the church it is here on earth, it is the group of believers of Jesus Christ all over the earth being directed by Holy Spirit restraining the anti-Christ from coming forward to full fulfillment. But once true church is out of the way, the anti-Christ will come forth.

Yes Brother it sure does exist, but not on or of this earth, for Christ's kingdom is not of this earth

Hebrews 8

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

8 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; [SUP]2 [/SUP]a minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

Where is the true Tabernacle?