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I am showing you how it was pagans. Yes they were Christians, but the pagans were heavily intermingled in the whole process. Just as the Jews had need to exist with the gentiles in order for the gentiles to restore Jerusalem and the Temple.
This is the question that is being asked. This is the information which clarifies the all too general and ambiguous answers to the question.
Athanasius is also considered a Pope, and had an office, but we know that it was not like as we see today with the Roman Catholic Church. Also that the state office was not meant to be glorified, but rather that was God's way of allowing the Christianity to maintain itself at that particular time. IT was not meant to be a tradition. The office was given by pagans. The Council was overseen by pagans. The message is not to the saved, but to the pagans! For what need is there to save the saved? What need is there to educate the educated?
Of course God used Christians to perform the work. That is not the debate here. They are called pagans. The protestant churches call these people pagans. This is the ambiguous and general consensus. And who said that the early Catholic church was right? It was not. Arianism is not correct. And now there is the Trinitarian philosophy. People still fail to see that the Father is in the Son, and the Son is in the flesh. The Father is greater than the flesh, but the Son is equal to the Father, for He made it so.
If I were to build a vessel, a robot, for example, and I were to implant my memories, my mind, my heart, my soul, and all of my being into that robot, and I were to give it the ability to live and to access all of what is me, and it were to walk around with me, am I walking and talking with myself? Why not? Now the vessel is my creation, but the spirit within that vessel is me. Therefore the spirit is equal to me, but the vessel is my son. Now the very spirit that is within that robot is also within me. Therefore, all that I have done, so did also the spirit that is within that vessel. Therefore, what is within that vessel has done that I have done. Though the vessel itself had not performed all those things, it is as if it had. Now that vessel may do everything according to my wishes, because the spirit of my wishes and the memory of me resides within that vessel. Therefore, that vessel already contains the experience and the power necessary to overcome all things. Therefore, in that vessel is the power to be perfect according to my understanding. It has the ability to obey everything I say because everything that I say is in accordance with everything that the spirit within the vessel understands. Now let's say I give that vessel feelings and emotions and an appetite. Now that vessel, though my spirit is within it, may hunger, may be tempted for itself, may be hurt, and all things that are normal to me. Now if I wanted that vessel, my creation, to die for everyone that was imperfect, surely the spirit within that vessel would want the same thing. However, the vessel would still cry out, Please, take this from me. But even so, whatever is right in your eyes.
This is not hard to understand to me. OP, this is what you need to understand. That the spirit of the Lord is the spirit of the Father and the Holy Spirit is yet another manifestation of God. This is not a hard thing.
For the Father is a spirit. And the Son is the Word of the Father which is the expression of the Father. When I speak, is it not me that you hear? It IS me. And the Holy Spirit is the work that is completed within any who hear me. Is that not also me? So then, therefore the manifestations of the Lord are all the Lord. Now the vessel was granted Lordship, and the vessel was made a quickening spirit. Therefore the Lord has possessed for Himself a vessel to retain. This is the Bridge. This is the Son. And all power and authority in all of Heaven and earth has been given to the Son. Therefore, the Father maintains all power and authority through the Son, for the spirit of the Father is in the Son. And then once the Father has brought all the enemies of the Son into submission to the Son, then the Son will give back authority of all things to the Father. Therefore the Son will no more have to execute His God given authority. We will be brothers and sisters of the Son, for through Him and to Him the Lord will make us equal. For in perfection, there is no more a need for the law, and there is no more a need for rule. For all are ruled by the spirit of perfection. There will be a New Heaven and a New Earth, and who will need to be ruled? To the glory of God the Father all things are made perfect and manifest, and there will be no need for any obligation, for all that exist with the Father will declare His righteousness and His glory willfully. And what will be the separation between us and the Son? There will be no separation, for all will be made perfect. How can someone sanctify something to be more perfect than that which is perfect? If the Father wishes to reconcile us, then won't He certainly reconcile us?
And these truths are evident in our lives, and we learn from the Bible which we are given. I do not need the Mormon texts to expand upon these truths. There is no more mystery for me. So what is there to add?
Therefore, that is the reason why there is no need for the Mormon religion. If you are willing to see, you will see.
I am showing you how it was pagans. Yes they were Christians, but the pagans were heavily intermingled in the whole process. Just as the Jews had need to exist with the gentiles in order for the gentiles to restore Jerusalem and the Temple.
This is the question that is being asked. This is the information which clarifies the all too general and ambiguous answers to the question.
Athanasius is also considered a Pope, and had an office, but we know that it was not like as we see today with the Roman Catholic Church. Also that the state office was not meant to be glorified, but rather that was God's way of allowing the Christianity to maintain itself at that particular time. IT was not meant to be a tradition. The office was given by pagans. The Council was overseen by pagans. The message is not to the saved, but to the pagans! For what need is there to save the saved? What need is there to educate the educated?
Of course God used Christians to perform the work. That is not the debate here. They are called pagans. The protestant churches call these people pagans. This is the ambiguous and general consensus. And who said that the early Catholic church was right? It was not. Arianism is not correct. And now there is the Trinitarian philosophy. People still fail to see that the Father is in the Son, and the Son is in the flesh. The Father is greater than the flesh, but the Son is equal to the Father, for He made it so.
If I were to build a vessel, a robot, for example, and I were to implant my memories, my mind, my heart, my soul, and all of my being into that robot, and I were to give it the ability to live and to access all of what is me, and it were to walk around with me, am I walking and talking with myself? Why not? Now the vessel is my creation, but the spirit within that vessel is me. Therefore the spirit is equal to me, but the vessel is my son. Now the very spirit that is within that robot is also within me. Therefore, all that I have done, so did also the spirit that is within that vessel. Therefore, what is within that vessel has done that I have done. Though the vessel itself had not performed all those things, it is as if it had. Now that vessel may do everything according to my wishes, because the spirit of my wishes and the memory of me resides within that vessel. Therefore, that vessel already contains the experience and the power necessary to overcome all things. Therefore, in that vessel is the power to be perfect according to my understanding. It has the ability to obey everything I say because everything that I say is in accordance with everything that the spirit within the vessel understands. Now let's say I give that vessel feelings and emotions and an appetite. Now that vessel, though my spirit is within it, may hunger, may be tempted for itself, may be hurt, and all things that are normal to me. Now if I wanted that vessel, my creation, to die for everyone that was imperfect, surely the spirit within that vessel would want the same thing. However, the vessel would still cry out, Please, take this from me. But even so, whatever is right in your eyes.
This is not hard to understand to me. OP, this is what you need to understand. That the spirit of the Lord is the spirit of the Father and the Holy Spirit is yet another manifestation of God. This is not a hard thing.
For the Father is a spirit. And the Son is the Word of the Father which is the expression of the Father. When I speak, is it not me that you hear? It IS me. And the Holy Spirit is the work that is completed within any who hear me. Is that not also me? So then, therefore the manifestations of the Lord are all the Lord. Now the vessel was granted Lordship, and the vessel was made a quickening spirit. Therefore the Lord has possessed for Himself a vessel to retain. This is the Bridge. This is the Son. And all power and authority in all of Heaven and earth has been given to the Son. Therefore, the Father maintains all power and authority through the Son, for the spirit of the Father is in the Son. And then once the Father has brought all the enemies of the Son into submission to the Son, then the Son will give back authority of all things to the Father. Therefore the Son will no more have to execute His God given authority. We will be brothers and sisters of the Son, for through Him and to Him the Lord will make us equal. For in perfection, there is no more a need for the law, and there is no more a need for rule. For all are ruled by the spirit of perfection. There will be a New Heaven and a New Earth, and who will need to be ruled? To the glory of God the Father all things are made perfect and manifest, and there will be no need for any obligation, for all that exist with the Father will declare His righteousness and His glory willfully. And what will be the separation between us and the Son? There will be no separation, for all will be made perfect. How can someone sanctify something to be more perfect than that which is perfect? If the Father wishes to reconcile us, then won't He certainly reconcile us?
And these truths are evident in our lives, and we learn from the Bible which we are given. I do not need the Mormon texts to expand upon these truths. There is no more mystery for me. So what is there to add?
Therefore, that is the reason why there is no need for the Mormon religion. If you are willing to see, you will see.
This is a really good post. Thank you. I did not know that they had banned them so many times. Sort of like a crap shoot.
