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Although the Bible has had a rough ride through history it is still the best record we have of the mortal ministry of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Many of the details, such as time and place involved in the production and the preservation of the records, are not available, but the general concept is clear that the servants of the Lord wrote what they knew to be true of Jesus. Thus came the Gospels. The epistles were primarily written to regulate affairs among the members of the Church.


With the multiplicity of true books, of both Old and New Testament origin, there was also a proliferation of false writings from apostates and from authors who for one reason or another wished to propagate some particular thesis. From time to time decisions needed to be made as to which books were authoritative and which were false. A council of Jewish scholars met for this purpose in Jamnia, or Javneh (near Joppa), in about A.D. 90, and some determinations were made as to what were the official and accepted books of the Jews’ religion. This probably was a defensive reaction to the rise of Christian writings, and perhaps also from the fact that the Christians freely used the Jewish scriptures (Old Testament) as well as the writings of the Apostles and the early Christian leaders. It appears that the rabbis wanted to make clear the distinction between the two.


Councils were held in early Christianity to determine which of the writings were authoritative and which were heretical. Some good judgment was used, and many spurious books were rejected, while the present New Testament was preserved. Times of persecution also precipitated decisions as to which books were true and which false.


No doubt many writings, of both Old and New Testament times, have been lost, and perhaps even willfully destroyed. When the Church was in apostasy, whether before or after the time of Christ, some valuable writings were misjudged to be in error (because the judges lacked the truth) and so were discarded. Likewise some books of lesser value may have been judged to be good. In the main, however, sound guidelines were established that helped to preserve the authoritative books. Among these rules were the following: (1) Is it claimed that the document was written by a prophet or an apostle? (2) Is the content of the writing consistent with known and accepted doctrines of the faith? (3) Is the document already used and accepted in the Church? By application of these tests the books now contained in the Bible have been preserved.


Although the decisions were made in the past as to which writings are authoritative, that does not mean that the canon of scripture is complete and that no more can be added. True prophets and apostles will continue to receive new revelation.
 
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You need to do some more studying because you're wrong.

The twenty-seven books now included in the New Testament canon were first given notice (as far as we know) in what is called the Muratorian Canon, a document dated A.D. 170. An eighth-century copy of this document was discovered and published in 1740 by the librarian L. A. Muratori. The text names twenty-two books of the New Testament, including the four Gospels.

We know that the Gospels and the major epistles of Paul were "canonized" in the minds of many Christians as early as A.D. 90-100; that is, the four Gospels and Paul's Epistles were deemed to be Scripture worthy to be read in church. In fact, in Peter's second Epistle, he puts Paul's letters in the same category as "Scriptures."

We also know that the church fathers of the second century had a high regard for what is now the canonical New Testament text. Indeed, a study of the writings of the first five outstanding church fathers (all writing before A.D. 150), namely, Clement, Ignatius, Papias, Justin Martyr, and Polycarp, indicates that they used the New Testament writings with the same or nearly the same sacred regard that they attributed to the Old Testament writings. All were considered Scripture.

There is evidence that within thirty years of the apostle Paul's death (A.D. 60s), all the Pauline letters and all four gospels (excluding the Pastoral Epistles) were collected and used in the major churches.



I've studied up on how the new testament was put together, and it was because the emperor or Rome wanted to untie and strengthen his empire under one religion, so he called a lot of religious men to Rome, and gave them the task of putting together the new testament, they edited books and left books out that didn't go with the agenda of the emperor constantine. And this Bible is similar to the one we have today, constantines Bible was later edited further, to me that can't be simmering inspired by God but only by mans selfish needs. What do you think about this? Please give honest answers, don't think I'm attacking anyone, this is why I'm an agnostic....well one of the reasons
 

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Although the decisions were made in the past as to which writings are authoritative, that does not mean that the canon of scripture is complete and that no more can be added. True prophets and apostles will continue to receive new revelation.
We have no desire to hear your Mormon preaching here.
 
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Constantine still worshiped the Persian sun god after his "conversion"

his coins were minted with "commited to sol invictus mithra" after his conversion.

Constantine's supposed revelation from Jesus was to kill in the sign of the cross.

I never said Constantine created the "NT" I said just the opposite concerning the text.

but Constantine was a evil man.
Saul was an evil man! what is your point
 
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Constantine still worshiped the Persian sun god after his "conversion"

his coins were minted with "commited to sol invictus mithra" after his conversion.

Constantine's supposed revelation from Jesus was to kill in the sign of the cross.

I never said Constantine created the "NT" I said just the opposite concerning the text.

but Constantine was a evil man.
You did not address King James or any of the other reformers. I'm just trying to see where you are going with your thoughts
 
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I've studied the Bible cover to cover, and in that learning, i wanted to search for how it cane about, i don't see any harm, you should have knowledge abut your beliefs.....whether your a Christan or not
 
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pastac

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ever learning NEVER COMING INTO THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH that is what scripture teaches me So what are you talking about . Since you have read it from cover to cover you must have missed that! I don't need aids and books on contradiction your words are enough proof.
 
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Pastac.....not being mean but i didn't understand anything that you just said, like none of it, can you explain what your trying to say?
 
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The fact is that no one has ever demonstrated that there is an error in the original text of the Bible; rather, those who allege errors in the Bible have been found in error.

Here is a list of the errors of those who claim to find errors in the Bible (See Geisler and Howe, WCA, chapter 1):

Mistake 1: Assuming That the Unexplained Is Not Explainable.
Mistake 2: Presuming the Bible Guilty Until Proven Innocent.
Mistake 3: Confusing Our Fallible Interpretations With God's Infallible Revelation.
Mistake 4: Failing to Understand the Context of the Passage.
Mistake 5: Neglecting to Interpret Difficult Passages in the Light of Clear Ones.
Mistake 6: Basing a Teaching on an Obscure Passage.
Mistake 7: Forgetting That the Bible Is a Human Book With Human Characteristics.
Mistake 8: Assuming That a Partial Report Is a False Report.
Mistake 9: Demanding That New Testament Citations of the Old Testament Always Be Exact Quotations.
Mistake 10: Assuming That Divergent Accounts Are False Ones.
Mistake 11: Presuming That the Bible Approves of All It Records.
Mistake 12: Forgetting That the Bible Uses Non-Technical, Everyday Language.
Mistake 13: Assuming That Round Numbers Are False.
Mistake 14: Neglecting To Note That the Bible Uses Literary Devices.
Mistake 15: Forgetting That Only the Original Text, Not Every Copy of Scripture, Is Without Error.
Mistake 16: Confusing General Statements With Universal Ones.
Mistake 17: Forgetting That Later Revelation Supersedes Previous Revelation.

The Bible by many lines of evidence contains all earmarks of having divine origin: sanctity, divine authority, infallibility, indestructibility, indefatigability, infeasibility, and inerrancy.


 
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Lol looking over this list I can tell whoever wrote it did not read the Bible. Lot's of misconstrued arguments found herein. I notice they leave out a lot too.

For example; saying that it is a contradiction that light was separated from darkness on the first day when the list-maker erroneously thinks the Sun is all that is needed for light which was created on the 4th day. Obviously anyone who has ever struck a matchstick knows you do not need the sun exclusively for creation of light.

Or saying Abraham died without gaining the Promised Land. Abraham did dwell in the Promise Land during his lifetime (last place Abraham inhabitted according to the Bible is Hebron which is in the holy land) and furthermore his descendants were given the land (which was part of the promise, but I noticed this list omits this fact), and of course today Abraham's descendants dwell in the Promised Land once again, which is a prophecy that has almost impossible odds to happening, yet, happened.

And those are just two examples of where this list is very misleading (or forged out of ignorance.) My suggestion would be to actually read the Bible cover to cover. By reading cover to cover the collection of books explains itself, how it was written, and everything contained in its pages really. And as an added bonus the Bible is the most historically accurate collection of books without religion considerred. With religion considerred, it is the only religion on Earth formulated in Truth and Fact.
 
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You can't prove it was formulated from truth and fact.....its a faith based religion.....sorry
 
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You can't prove it was formulated from truth and fact.....its a faith based religion.....sorry
Sure I can.

The events, peoples, places, etc. from the Bible are verifiable historical facts. In fact during the 20th and 21st Century we have confirmed more of the Bible than any time period prior except for those time periods in which the Bible was written. In order for you to say the Bible is not based in fact you must invent a time machine and go back and obliterate history.

EDIT: and all that is sticking to a hard-hearted secular mindset. If you move past the secularism and look at the prophecies which have come true throughout time during and after the Bible writing and the miracles also then we really have something intriguing on our hands.
 
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Pastac.....not being mean but i didn't understand anything that you just said, like none of it, can you explain what your trying to say?
That is my point
 
Apr 27, 2014
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You can't prove anything, where's Marty mcfly when i need him :)
 
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Pastac.....Are you stalking me? Lol
Lol you are a piece of work I wont give up on you just yet! But seriously you are waaaaay off base in some basic beliefs so consider yourself cc stalked Ill be watchin you!!!! lol
 
Apr 27, 2014
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Pastac i think it takes a piece of work to recognize another one :)
 
Dec 18, 2013
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You can't prove anything, where's Marty mcfly when i need him :)
Lol I can prove many things.

For instance Marty McFly is a proven fictional character that is not real therefore Marty McFly's word cannot be trusted lol. (Though I did like the humorous irony of using pop culture's favorite time traveller to try to disprove proof. So I gave you a "Like" for awesome irony and pop culture reference.)

Now for an example of proof:

Here is a cool short documentary about archaeological work at Jericho. Now the dating of the site might be debateable, but the hard provable facts remain that Joshua was here, Joshua lived, Jericho exists, Jericho once existed. Jericho was destroyed and its walls fell down. Even the minor details like timing are also proven. (and also this shows proof that Jericho was rebuilt which is an event occuring in 1 Kings 16, but this documentary in particular deals moreso with Jericho during Joshua's time.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-cmdl4Cqdo
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