The Free Gift of Salvation

[Sirk]

Is the English language so difficult for some of you, let alone the Greek.

Your answer lies in II Cor 5:18-21. There are TWO reconciliations taking place. Every reconciliation has two parties.
First, Christ is reconciling the world, redeeming the world, justifying the world back to God.
Secondly, because He did, man can now reconcile, justify himself to God by faith.
What is so hard in understanding that?

I gave you three examples of the very same contrast, yet you stumble all over the place.

Man cannot "justify himself to God by faith". I'm not sure how you come to this nonsensical conclusion. The only thing man can justify to God, is Gods righteousness judgement and undeserving mercy on the man who is allowed in God's presence at all.

 

[Cassian]

Great White Throne is for those who decided to go through life by their own plan. They will be judged by their works...not one will pass. During this period there already have been saints in heaven singing and worshipping God.

there are others in hell as well.

But no one is in the New Heaven and the New Earth.

 

[Cassian]

Man cannot "justify himself to God by faith". I'm not sure how you come to this nonsensical conclusion. The only thing man can justify to God, is Gods righteousness judgement and undeserving mercy on the man who is allowed in God's presence at all.

Paul seems to disagree with you, as does the writer of Hebrews.
Rom 3:26, 29, 4:5, 5:1, Eph 2:14, James 2:4, Heb 11:8ff as well as others.

 

[Sirk]

Paul seems to disagree with you, as does the writer of Hebrews.
Rom 3:26, 29, 4:5, 5:1, Eph 2:14, James 2:4, Heb 11:8ff as well as others.

Forgive me but I might be a little late to the party here so could you give me cliffs notes version of the position you are taking? I'm a tad confused.

 

[tourist]

It seems like half of those who responded to this thread were eventually banned. I can live with those odds. OK, now, what was the question?

 

[Sirk]

It seems like half of those who responded to this thread were eventually banned. I can live with those odds. OK, now, what was the question?

Wow....you are right. I went back and read thru and that one dude was getting closer and closer to declaring himself the returned victorious JC.

 

[crossnote]

Why the question mark?
Christ will come again, ONCE more
then the judgement. Only one judgement of all men.

If you think there are more, where is it mentioned in scripture?

AT THE CROSS my sins were judged.

Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
(Joh 5:24)

 

[newbirth]

Everyone who receives salvation should ask themselves these questions.
What did I believe to be saved?
What have I been saved from?
How do I live now that I am saved?
Is Christ the example I should follow?
Is it ok to sin now that I am saved?
Is it true God gave me salvation and I can do whatever I want because he can't take it back?
Is it true God did not spare the angels who rebelled but I can because he saved me?
Does Jesus really expect me to give clothes ,food and drink to people I don't know?
What does Jesus mean when he says we must be in him?

 

[crossnote]

there are others in hell as well.

But no one is in the New Heaven and the New Earth.

The New Heaven and New Earth is after the White Throne Judgment.
But before TGWTJ here is one scene...

And from the throne came a voice saying, "Praise our God, all you his servants, you who fear him, small and great." Then I heard what seemed to be the voice of a great multitude, like the roar of many waters and like the sound of mighty peals of thunder, crying out, "Hallelujah! For the Lord our God the Almighty reigns. Let us rejoice and exult and give him the glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and his Bride has made herself ready; it was granted her to clothe herself with fine linen, bright and pure"— for the fine linen is the righteous deeds of the saints. And the angel said to me, "Write this: Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb." And he said to me, "These are the true words of God."
(Rev 19:5-9)

The Church just wont be at the Great White Throne Judgment.

 

[newbirth]

Great White Throne is for those who decided to go through life by their own plan. They will be judged by their works...not one will pass. During this period there already have been saints in heaven singing and worshipping God.

guess you missed this one
2 cor 5
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

 

[Cassian]

AT THE CROSS my sins were judged.

Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
(Joh 5:24)

That might be a translator preference. The word that appears in most is one will not be condemned. But everyone will be judged.
The Cross made it possible for you to be able to believe and have a relationship with Christ. But believes is present tense, not past or future. It is also active and continuing. So one's entire life must show that belief is always present. If we lose faith, how can one be saved if salvation is dependent on our faith.

 

[Cassian]

The New Heaven and New Earth is after the White Throne Judgment.
But before TGWTJ here is one scene...

And from the throne came a voice saying, "Praise our God, all you his servants, you who fear him, small and great." Then I heard what seemed to be the voice of a great multitude, like the roar of many waters and like the sound of mighty peals of thunder, crying out, "Hallelujah! For the Lord our God the Almighty reigns. Let us rejoice and exult and give him the glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and his Bride has made herself ready; it was granted her to clothe herself with fine linen, bright and pure"— for the fine linen is the righteous deeds of the saints. And the angel said to me, "Write this: Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb." And he said to me, "These are the true words of God."
(Rev 19:5-9)

The Church just wont be at the Great White Throne Judgment.

I sure hope it is after the GWTJ.
But every human being will be at the judgement. Matt 25:31ff is about that last judgement. The judgement at the end of time. All, every man, will appear before Him.

 

[newbirth]

I cannot believe the rationalizations man need to create to get around what scripture states. Why would God then judge all men on their works, Rom 1:7, Rev 20:13.

Do you remember the rich man who asked Jesus what he must do to be saved? He asked the right question but did the wrong thing. Do you notice the same attitude these guys know what they must do but they refuse to do it. Christ came and showed us how to live they did not learn. The apostles followed in his footsteps emulating how he walked still they will not learn.If God put his spirit in you it is not for style it is for you to follow.Why else would the spirit bear fruit.
You will know them by their fruit.
Remember what he did to the fig tree that had no fruit.
Galatians 5:22
New International Version
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,

Ephesians 5:9
King James Version
(For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth

 

[Kerry]

The only requirement for salvation is to accept Jesus Christ crucified and risen from the dead, there is nothing else. Once you do that it will Ganges your life. you no longer want to do the things you did before, in fact you will hate those things.

 

[Cassian]

Everyone who receives salvation should ask themselves these questions.
What did I believe to be saved?
What have I been saved from?
How do I live now that I am saved?
Is Christ the example I should follow?
Is it ok to sin now that I am saved?
Is it true God gave me salvation and I can do whatever I want because he can't take it back?
Is it true God did not spare the angels who rebelled but I can because he saved me?
Does Jesus really expect me to give clothes ,food and drink to people I don't know?
What does Jesus mean when he says we must be in him?

Excellent questions.

 

[Cassian]

Do you remember the rich man who asked Jesus what he must do to be saved? He asked the right question but did the wrong thing. Do you notice the same attitude these guys know what they must do but they refuse to do it. Christ came and showed us how to live they did not learn. The apostles followed in his footsteps emulating how he walked still they will not learn.If God put his spirit in you it is not for style it is for you to follow.Why else would the spirit bear fruit.
You will know them by their fruit.
Remember what he did to the fig tree that had no fruit.
Galatians 5:22
New International Version
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,

Ephesians 5:9
King James Version
(For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth

And just how can one do that by doing NOTHING?
This is why I asked the question as to what is the Gift. So many say they are saved by Chirst, it is finished, I don't need to do anything. Where does it say respective of Christ's work that He accomplished, love, joy, forbearance, kindness, goodness, and faithfulness on the Cross for us? How did He love YOUR neighbor for you on the Cross?

 

[Cassian]

The only requirement for salvation is to accept Jesus Christ crucified and risen from the dead, there is nothing else. Once you do that it will Ganges your life. you no longer want to do the things you did before, in fact you will hate those things.

but that only justifies one. It puts one into a correct relationship with Christ. It does not save you.

 

[Kerry]

but that only justifies one. It puts one into a correct relationship with Christ. It does not save you.

The cross is the only thing that saves. Why do think that the OT saints longed for it?

 

[Cassian]

Forgive me but I might be a little late to the party here so could you give me cliffs notes version of the position you are taking? I'm a tad confused.

For comprehensive information you will still need to go back over my responses.
However, what I am trying to learn now is what the other posters believe, know to be, the Gift of Salvation that scripture speaks about.

 

[Sirk]

but that only justifies one. It puts one into a correct relationship with Christ. It does not save you.

Of course it saves you. Right relationship with Christ and salvation are one in the same.