SALVATION is SAVED!
2 Thessalonians 1:11 (GW)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]With this in mind, we always pray that our God will make you worthy of his call. We also pray that through {his} power he will help you accomplish every good desire and help you do everything your faith produces.
But where is the statement that salvation produces works?
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For godly grief (over one's own sinfulness) produces a repentance that leads to salvation without regret, whereas worldly grief produces death.
Here on's works lead to salvation, but no salvation leads to works.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]If we are distressed, it is for your comfort and salvation; if we are comforted, it is for your comfort, which produces in you patient endurance of the same sufferings we suffer.
works produces patience, but nothing that says salvation produces works. Salvation is also future, not present.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]for you know that the testing of your faith produces steadfastness.
and steadfastness produces salvation, but where is the salvation that produces works?
[SUP]3 [/SUP]knowing that the testing of your faith produces endurance.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]But endurance must do its complete work, so that you may be mature and complete, lacking nothing.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Now if any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives to all generously and without criticizing, and it will be given to him.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]But let him ask in faith without doubting. For the doubter is like the surging sea, driven and tossed by the wind.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]That person should not expect to receive anything from the Lord.
including salvation. Again, nothing that salvation produces works.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But if it produces thorns and thistles, it is worthless and about to be cursed, and will be burned at the end.
dead faith, bad works produces death, burned, hardly salvation. But is also never says salvation produces works, it would be backwards in this text.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]“Beware of false prophets who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravaging wolves.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]You’ll recognize them by their fruit. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes or figs from thistles?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]In the same way, every good tree produces good fruit, but a bad tree produces bad fruit.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]A good tree can’t produce bad fruit; neither can a bad tree produce good fruit.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Every tree that doesn’t produce good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]So you’ll recognize them by their fruit. (By what they PRODUCE .)
fruit lead to salvation. No fruit no salvation. Nothing that says salvation produces works.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.
but once again, nothing about salvation producing works.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.
how does this show either position. But at any rate it does not show salvation produces works.
You never did explain how you justify in your mind sinning by being WILFULLY DISOBEDIENT to Heb. 10:25 ? ? ?
I already have with the examples of Hitler and Stalin. Started out as faithful beleivers, but willfully rejected their faith and willfully adopted a new religion. It is done quite often sadly.
But where is the evidence that salvation produces works? None of the above even came close.
You are swinging at strawmen here. You will find none.