Salvation Not Possible Without Works

[homwardbound]

yes. our works are as good as a used tampon

only the true righteousness, the righteousness of Christ, has ever been found satisfactory.
It is by faith in Him, and His righteousness, that salvation is obtained.

And the resurrected Christ replies to this LT and says no my Father's righteousness, taking no credit and Father says no Son you did it you are righteous, you walked by Faith 100% in me Father
We are to not as I see this ever to praise ourselves? No matter how much Faith we exercise in the finished work of Son

If we do we are not humble anymore, and fi we do belong to Father through Son, then we get this just like Paul got:
[h=3]2 Corinthians 12:7-10[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]7 [/SUP]And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure. [SUP]8 [/SUP]For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me. [SUP]9 [/SUP]And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. [SUP]10 [/SUP]Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ’s sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.

I am weak, and am thankful, I have no works to boast in or of, none.
I do have works to boast of though, and they are not mine, they are Father's and Son's
Psalm 100:4
Enter into his gates with thanksgiving, and into his courts with praise: be thankful unto him, and bless his name.

 

[homwardbound]

Psalm 100:4 Enter into his gates with thanksgiving, and into his courts with praise: be thankful unto him, and bless his name.

The below Scriptures are parallels to the above scripture, might check it out, quite interesting, if ever find the time and you are curious to truth the whole truth the truth of Father, Son and Holy Spirit that sets one free
And if not free and one is in bondage and seek and hunger for righteousness, by Faith (trust) Father shows one this, and one of the key truths to be, is humility


Enter: Psa_65:1, Psa_66:13, Psa_116:17-19; Isa_35:10
be thankful: Psa_96:2, Psa_103:1-2, Psa_103:20-22, Psa_145:1-2; 1Ch_29:13, 1Ch_29:20; Col_3:16-17; Heb_13:15

 

[Jabberjaw]

you are witty, but not spiritual.

I don't like to say things like that, but every time i see you debating, it is always against the spiritual, and in favor of the physical.

How bout debating with something biblical and not of opinion?

The bible says faith is a work :

 1 Thessalonians 1:3 (NKJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]remembering without ceasing your work of faith, labor of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ in the sight of our God and Father,

The bible teaches righteous works yet your opinion says otherwise.

 

[Kerry]

How bout debating with something biblical and not of opinion?

The bible says faith is a work :

 1 Thessalonians 1:3 (NKJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]remembering without ceasing your work of faith, labor of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ in the sight of our God and Father,

The bible teaches righteous works yet your opinion says otherwise.

Because without faith being properly placed in Christ, or works are in vain.

 

[Jabberjaw]

Because without faith being properly placed in Christ, or works are in vain.

So then you agree salvation has a requirement of righteous works?

 

[VCO]

So then you agree salvation has a requirement of righteous works?

So then you agree salvation produces righteous works?

 

[VCO]

How bout debating with something biblical and not of opinion?

The bible says faith is a work :

 1 Thessalonians 1:3 (NKJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]remembering without ceasing your work of faith, labor of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ in the sight of our God and Father,

The bible teaches righteous works yet your opinion says otherwise.

Revelation 17:17 (NKJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For God has put it into their hearts to fulfill His purpose, to be of one mind, and to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled.

NOW if GOD can put it in the hearts of unbelievers, HOW MUCH MORE CAN HE DO IT FOR THE BELIEVERS?

 

[Sirk]

Therefore, no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law, rather, through the law we become conscience of sin. Romans 3:20

the way I read what Paul is saying is that the law is a tool that the follower of Christ has to identify sin.....and repent (go the other way).

The law is good because God made it and he is holy just and righteous. But apart from Christ the law brings death.

 

[Cassian]

So then you agree salvation produces righteous works?

but quote the text that says salvation produces works.
I am only familiar with those that say, faith produces works, and we are saved through faith. It never says we are saved through salvation.

 

[LT]

How bout debating with something biblical and not of opinion?

The bible says faith is a work :

 1 Thessalonians 1:3 (NKJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]remembering without ceasing your work of faith, labor of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ in the sight of our God and Father,

The bible teaches righteous works yet your opinion says otherwise.

Your opinion of my position is not my position.

 

[Jabberjaw]

Revelation 17:17 (NKJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For God has put it into their hearts to fulfill His purpose, to be of one mind, and to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled.

NOW if GOD can put it in the hearts of unbelievers, HOW MUCH MORE CAN HE DO IT FOR THE BELIEVERS?

Do you even understand what this verse is about?, the God of heaven will direct evil men to do his will, as often exemplified in the Old Testament. It should be noted in connection with this that it is the will of God for the harlot-beast to continue on the earth until all of God's words are accomplished. She does not exist a single day without God's permission.

You take verses out of context to form your man made doctrine.

 

[Jabberjaw]

How bout debating with something biblical and not of opinion?

The bible says faith is a work :

 1 Thessalonians 1:3 (NKJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]remembering without ceasing your work of faith, labor of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ in the sight of our God and Father,

The bible teaches righteous works yet your opinion says otherwise.

Your opinion of my position is not my position.

Do you see my post above? and all I see from you is opinion, lets try again :

How bout debating with something biblical and not of opinion?

The bible says faith is a work :

 1 Thessalonians 1:3 (NKJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]remembering without ceasing your work of faith, labor of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ in the sight of our God and Father,

The bible teaches righteous works yet your opinion says otherwise.

 

[TaylorTG]

yes. our works are as good as a used tampon

Matthew 5:16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.


How good are our works? Must be really good if they can get others to praise God.

 

[Sirk]

Matthew 5:16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.


How good are our works? Must be really good if they can get others to praise God.

Give an example of this work you speak of.

 

[Sirk]

Wrong thread. Oops

 

[notuptome]

Wrong thread. Oops

You know I've thought a number of times myself.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Sirk]

You know I've thought a number of times myself.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Too funny! Lol

 

[chubbena]

yes. our works are as good as a used tampon

only the true righteousness, the righteousness of Christ, has ever been found satisfactory.
It is by faith in Him, and His righteousness, that salvation is obtained.

This is not true for the saved. The context is:
You come to the help of those who gladly do right, who remember your ways. But when we continued to sin against them, you were angry. How then can we be saved? All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags.
If one believes the saved (or true faith which the debate on this thread is about) will produce good works.

 

[VCO]

but quote the text that says salvation produces works.
I am only familiar with those that say, faith produces works, and we are saved through faith. It never says we are saved through salvation.

SALVATION is SAVED!

2 Thessalonians 1:11 (GW)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] With this in mind, we always pray that our God will make you worthy of his call. We also pray that through {his} power he will help you accomplish every good desire and help you do everything your faith produces.


2 Corinthians 7:10 (ESV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For godly grief (over one's own sinfulness) produces a repentance that leads to salvation without regret, whereas worldly grief produces death.

2 Corinthians 1:6 (NIV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] If we are distressed, it is for your comfort and salvation; if we are comforted, it is for your comfort, which produces in you patient endurance of the same sufferings we suffer.

James 1:3 (ESV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] for you know that the testing of your faith produces steadfastness.

James 1:3-7 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] knowing that the testing of your faith produces endurance.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] But endurance must do its complete work, so that you may be mature and complete, lacking nothing.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Now if any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives to all generously and without criticizing, and it will be given to him.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] But let him ask in faith without doubting. For the doubter is like the surging sea, driven and tossed by the wind.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] That person should not expect to receive anything from the Lord.

Hebrews 6:8 (HCSB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But if it produces thorns and thistles, it is worthless and about to be cursed, and will be burned at the end.

Matthew 7:15-20 (HCSB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] “Beware of false prophets who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravaging wolves.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] You’ll recognize them by their fruit. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes or figs from thistles?
[SUP]17 [/SUP] In the same way, every good tree produces good fruit, but a bad tree produces bad fruit.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] A good tree can’t produce bad fruit; neither can a bad tree produce good fruit.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Every tree that doesn’t produce good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] So you’ll recognize them by their fruit. (By what they PRODUCE .)

Galatians 6:10 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.

Galatians 6:3 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.


You never did explain how you justify in your mind sinning by being WILFULLY DISOBEDIENT to Heb. 10:25 ? ? ?

 

[Cassian]

SALVATION is SAVED!

2 Thessalonians 1:11 (GW)

[SUP]11 [/SUP]With this in mind, we always pray that our God will make you worthy of his call. We also pray that through {his} power he will help you accomplish every good desire and help you do everything your faith produces.

But where is the statement that salvation produces works?

2 Corinthians 7:10 (ESV)

[SUP]10 [/SUP]For godly grief (over one's own sinfulness) produces a repentance that leads to salvation without regret, whereas worldly grief produces death.

Here on's works lead to salvation, but no salvation leads to works.

2 Corinthians 1:6 (NIV)

[SUP]6 [/SUP]If we are distressed, it is for your comfort and salvation; if we are comforted, it is for your comfort, which produces in you patient endurance of the same sufferings we suffer.

works produces patience, but nothing that says salvation produces works. Salvation is also future, not present.

James 1:3 (ESV)

[SUP]3 [/SUP]for you know that the testing of your faith produces steadfastness.

and steadfastness produces salvation, but where is the salvation that produces works?

James 1:3-7 (HCSB)

[SUP]3 [/SUP]knowing that the testing of your faith produces endurance.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]But endurance must do its complete work, so that you may be mature and complete, lacking nothing.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Now if any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives to all generously and without criticizing, and it will be given to him.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]But let him ask in faith without doubting. For the doubter is like the surging sea, driven and tossed by the wind.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]That person should not expect to receive anything from the Lord.

including salvation. Again, nothing that salvation produces works.

Hebrews 6:8 (HCSB)

[SUP]8 [/SUP]But if it produces thorns and thistles, it is worthless and about to be cursed, and will be burned at the end.

dead faith, bad works produces death, burned, hardly salvation. But is also never says salvation produces works, it would be backwards in this text.

Matthew 7:15-20 (HCSB)

[SUP]15 [/SUP]“Beware of false prophets who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravaging wolves.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]You’ll recognize them by their fruit. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes or figs from thistles?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]In the same way, every good tree produces good fruit, but a bad tree produces bad fruit.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]A good tree can’t produce bad fruit; neither can a bad tree produce good fruit.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Every tree that doesn’t produce good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]So you’ll recognize them by their fruit. (By what they PRODUCE .)

fruit lead to salvation. No fruit no salvation. Nothing that says salvation produces works.

Galatians 6:10 (KJV)

[SUP]10 [/SUP]As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.

but once again, nothing about salvation producing works.

Galatians 6:3 (KJV)

[SUP]3 [/SUP]For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.

how does this show either position. But at any rate it does not show salvation produces works.

You never did explain how you justify in your mind sinning by being WILFULLY DISOBEDIENT to Heb. 10:25 ? ? ?

I already have with the examples of Hitler and Stalin. Started out as faithful beleivers, but willfully rejected their faith and willfully adopted a new religion. It is done quite often sadly.

But where is the evidence that salvation produces works? None of the above even came close.

You are swinging at strawmen here. You will find none.